Anonymous wrote:Saltzman was charged today.

What does he get? A fine?

Anonymous wrote:A football game is a perfectly appropriate activity. This young man is a high risk of suicide. If I were his parent, I would encourage him to be with friends. In a safe way, of course. He is only a few months old enough to be considered an adult.

He might be at high risk of suicide b/c his parents turned a blind eye to his drinking as well as his drinking and driving. The same goes to the dead kids' parents. They knew their kids were drinking yet still got home from these parties.

Sorry, PP, but other people's kids aren't responsible for his mental state. His parents should have been parenting instead of condoning his drinking all along. They are lucky, b/c at least their kid is still alive vs. the kids who died.

Make your bed; you lie in it.

A football game is a perfectly appropriate activity. This young man is a high risk of suicide. If I were his parent, I would encourage him to be with friends. In a safe way, of course. He is only a few months old enough to be considered an adult.

I have read most of these posts, and while I believe the parent at the house should have been more responsible, I am more outraged that the driver had previous alcohol charges, and to date, still has his license. Other states would have taken his license and charged him on the spot. It has been over 4 months, and from what I hear, he has been going out with friends since his release from the hospital and attended Wootton football games this fall. Rather than focusing on changing the laws for adults allowing parties, focus on changing the law to make expeditious punishment for the offender.

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Anonymous wrote:Saltzman was charged today.

Where is the info. I am curious.

Casesearch Maryland

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Anonymous wrote:Saltzman was charged today.

Where is the info. I am curious.

Nothing yet for Ellis. Maybe more to come?

All that shows up is two counts of furnishing alcohol to minors. Is that it?

Saltzman was charged today.

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Anonymous wrote:The other angle here is to raise the driving age to 21. Public transportation and new services like Lyft could replace teen driving.

Yes, although driving is not the only hazard. Teens often make poor sexual choices when intoxicated or high. They need to be taught early how to handle drugs responsibly. And since the teen brain is not super-rational to begin with, I personally think abstaining from all intoxicants until adulthood is the wisest move.

Yes, but people (including teenagers) often do things that are not the wisest move. So then what?

You get dead kids. Duh.

What can we do so that, when people inevitably do things that are not the wisest move, we don't get dead kids?

How can we prevent dead kids, besides, "Well, everyone always better only do the wisest thing."? Because we know that's not going to happen.

You don't prevent. You minimize risk. Don't give up on parenting just because you are afraid you will fail anyway.

Minimizing risk = prevention.

Also, as advice, "Parents must parent!" is about as useless as "Everybody should do the wisest thing!".

Stop being deliberately obtuse. Go read a parenting book.

Anonymous wrote:So the shut-down put-down self-post bumper got Jeff to delete the post calling out the sock puppeting. Wow. Give it up for the thread boss.

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So the shut-down put-down self-post bumper got Jeff to delete the post calling out the sock puppeting. Wow. Give it up for the thread boss.

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Anonymous wrote:The other angle here is to raise the driving age to 21. Public transportation and new services like Lyft could replace teen driving.

Yes, although driving is not the only hazard. Teens often make poor sexual choices when intoxicated or high. They need to be taught early how to handle drugs responsibly. And since the teen brain is not super-rational to begin with, I personally think abstaining from all intoxicants until adulthood is the wisest move.

Yes, but people (including teenagers) often do things that are not the wisest move. So then what?

You get dead kids. Duh.

What can we do so that, when people inevitably do things that are not the wisest move, we don't get dead kids?

How can we prevent dead kids, besides, "Well, everyone always better only do the wisest thing."? Because we know that's not going to happen.

You don't prevent. You minimize risk. Don't give up on parenting just because you are afraid you will fail anyway.

Minimizing risk = prevention.

Also, as advice, "Parents must parent!" is about as useless as "Everybody should do the wisest thing!".

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Anonymous wrote:The other angle here is to raise the driving age to 21. Public transportation and new services like Lyft could replace teen driving.

Yes, although driving is not the only hazard. Teens often make poor sexual choices when intoxicated or high. They need to be taught early how to handle drugs responsibly. And since the teen brain is not super-rational to begin with, I personally think abstaining from all intoxicants until adulthood is the wisest move.

Yes, but people (including teenagers) often do things that are not the wisest move. So then what?

You get dead kids. Duh.

What can we do so that, when people inevitably do things that are not the wisest move, we don't get dead kids?

How can we prevent dead kids, besides, "Well, everyone always better only do the wisest thing."? Because we know that's not going to happen.

You don't prevent. You minimize risk. Don't give up on parenting just because you are afraid you will fail anyway.