Anonymous
Post 04/26/2013 18:45     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat

It will be interesting to see how many of the AAP kids THRIVE in their jobs at McDonalds or Walmart in afew years!
Anonymous
Post 04/26/2013 15:05     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat

Anonymous wrote:I have never heard anyone come on any of these AAP threads and say their kid isn't "thriving."
My observation is that in grades 3-6, that isn't too hard to do.



I have a child who was losing the love of school and learning, even though in pull-outs for math and language arts, by the middle of second grade.
My child was eager to go to school again after the switch to AAP in third grade. The AAP classroom was a much better fit for this particular child and the teachers really understood and worked with my child's needs.

So, in that respect, my child thrived in AAP and I am glad the program is available.
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 09:19     Subject: Prepping/Scamming the Cogat

9:15: Being unwashed lowers the standard. You are clearly neither a driven parent or entitled. Jeeze!
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 09:15     Subject: Prepping/Scamming the Cogat

Does it count if my kid is thriving in general run of the mill eduction?
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 08:14     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat

I have never heard anyone come on any of these AAP threads and say their kid isn't "thriving."
My observation is that in grades 3-6, that isn't too hard to do.
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 07:26     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A teacher here.... It amazes me how important it is to parents to have their kid in AAP. Most don't belong but God forbid the parents hear that! Does it matter to the child's future? NO! Many parents do not send their children to the AAP middle school and once the child gets to high school everyone is in the same place. Do you really believe that elementary school AAP will help your child be more successful in the future? Highly unlikely! Many of the AAP kids have been groomed by their parents and constantly told how brilliant they are. Many therefore have no work ethic as they believe they are God given geniuses. So many of the AAP kids do so little and no matter how bright they may actually be, do not belong there as they produce nada! Parents, your snowflake needs to actually do something to justify their AAP placement!!! You, as parents, have set many of your children up for immense disappointment when reality sets in and they actually need to do something as they get older to justify their placement. I also do interviews for my alma mater Harvard and it is so sad how many kids think they belong but based on their work ethic are immediately tossed into the reject pile. Focus on work ethic and discipline parents. Worry not about AAP!


So there's the report card and parent/teacher conference.
My kids in AAP are thriving and getting pretty good report card.


Everyone in AAP is "thriving," was there a parent orientation instructing AAP parents to use that word?


According to the teacher above, my kids are rare exceptions thriving in AAP.
Kudos to my kids!
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 06:14     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A teacher here.... It amazes me how important it is to parents to have their kid in AAP. Most don't belong but God forbid the parents hear that! Does it matter to the child's future? NO! Many parents do not send their children to the AAP middle school and once the child gets to high school everyone is in the same place. Do you really believe that elementary school AAP will help your child be more successful in the future? Highly unlikely! Many of the AAP kids have been groomed by their parents and constantly told how brilliant they are. Many therefore have no work ethic as they believe they are God given geniuses. So many of the AAP kids do so little and no matter how bright they may actually be, do not belong there as they produce nada! Parents, your snowflake needs to actually do something to justify their AAP placement!!! You, as parents, have set many of your children up for immense disappointment when reality sets in and they actually need to do something as they get older to justify their placement. I also do interviews for my alma mater Harvard and it is so sad how many kids think they belong but based on their work ethic are immediately tossed into the reject pile. Focus on work ethic and discipline parents. Worry not about AAP!


So there's the report card and parent/teacher conference.
My kids in AAP are thriving and getting pretty good report card.


Everyone in AAP is "thriving," was there a parent orientation instructing AAP parents to use that word?
Anonymous
Post 04/25/2013 06:13     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat

Anonymous wrote:A teacher here.... It amazes me how important it is to parents to have their kid in AAP. Most don't belong but God forbid the parents hear that! Does it matter to the child's future? NO! Many parents do not send their children to the AAP middle school and once the child gets to high school everyone is in the same place. Do you really believe that elementary school AAP will help your child be more successful in the future? Highly unlikely! Many of the AAP kids have been groomed by their parents and constantly told how brilliant they are. Many therefore have no work ethic as they believe they are God given geniuses. So many of the AAP kids do so little and no matter how bright they may actually be, do not belong there as they produce nada! Parents, your snowflake needs to actually do something to justify their AAP placement!!! You, as parents, have set many of your children up for immense disappointment when reality sets in and they actually need to do something as they get older to justify their placement. I also do interviews for my alma mater Harvard and it is so sad how many kids think they belong but based on their work ethic are immediately tossed into the reject pile. Focus on work ethic and discipline parents. Worry not about AAP!


Harvard educated elementary school teacher. I am not saying it is a waste of money, but....I guess it could be a second career.

You know, I am one of the anti preppers here. Probably because I look at DD and her friends as bright, imaginative kids. When they get together, they play. They don't practice for the SATs or anything else (actually, sometimes, they practice music together....dogs leave the house then). Mostly they are kids. They like to build forts out side. They like american girl dolls. They worry about the body changes starting to occur. They might talk about other kids, like oh he is gross....or he is super smart....but they all do well in school. And they all have strengths and weaknesses.

But they are kids growing up.

What I like about her friends is that they have a strong sense of right and wrong. And the backbone to do what is right. They will not cheat. And they all want to do well.

One may have been pushed to AAP, I know DD was parental refferred to AAP, the others I do not know or care. How kids get into AAP does not mapper to me. Non are holding the class back. And none have behavior issues much (DD had some issues, but that was more related to my health issues).
Anonymous
Post 04/24/2013 23:03     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat

Anonymous wrote:A teacher here.... It amazes me how important it is to parents to have their kid in AAP. Most don't belong but God forbid the parents hear that! Does it matter to the child's future? NO! Many parents do not send their children to the AAP middle school and once the child gets to high school everyone is in the same place. Do you really believe that elementary school AAP will help your child be more successful in the future? Highly unlikely! Many of the AAP kids have been groomed by their parents and constantly told how brilliant they are. Many therefore have no work ethic as they believe they are God given geniuses. So many of the AAP kids do so little and no matter how bright they may actually be, do not belong there as they produce nada! Parents, your snowflake needs to actually do something to justify their AAP placement!!! You, as parents, have set many of your children up for immense disappointment when reality sets in and they actually need to do something as they get older to justify their placement. I also do interviews for my alma mater Harvard and it is so sad how many kids think they belong but based on their work ethic are immediately tossed into the reject pile. Focus on work ethic and discipline parents. Worry not about AAP!


So there's the report card and parent/teacher conference.
My kids in AAP are thriving and getting pretty good report card.
Anonymous
Post 04/24/2013 21:32     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat

Anonymous wrote:
teacher here.... It amazes me how important it is to parents to have their kid in AAP. Most don't belong but God forbid the parents hear that! Does it matter to the child's future? NO! Many parents do not send their children to the AAP middle school and once the child gets to high school everyone is in the same place. Do you really believe that elementary school AAP will help your child be more successful in the future? Highly unlikely! Many of the AAP kids have been groomed by their parents and constantly told how brilliant they are. Many therefore have no work ethic as they believe they are God given geniuses. So many of the AAP kids do so little and no matter how bright they may actually be, do not belong there as they produce nada! Parents, your snowflake needs to actually do something to justify their AAP placement!!! You, as parents, have set many of your children up for immense disappointment when reality sets in and they actually need to do something as they get older to justify their placement. I also do interviews for my alma mater Harvard and it is so sad how many kids think they belong but based on their work ethic are immediately tossed into the reject pile. Focus on work ethic and discipline parents. Worry not about AAP!


Umm, so a rising 2nd grader should first be published in the New Yorker or perhaps a peer reviewed scientific journal before getting into the AAP program? Wow. This is moving way beyond mere CoGAT test prep.

In any case, Ivy League admissions sound worse than I thought -- So, Ms. Snowflake would please explain to me again what it is that you accomplished to justify getting into AAP? Please young lady take your time before answering.

One of the main reasons that I am so glad that my child was accepted into the AAP program and has been there for 3 years now is that her peers are academically motivated and disciplined in addition to being smart. Perhaps being told that you are brilliant all the time is an Ivy League thing but it has not been happening with my child or any of her friends.



I would add that although they may not have to work that hard in 3-6th grade, that changes in 7th. It has been demanding at DC's middle school this year with some very tough math homework and pretty in-depth projects that impressed m as a parent.
Anonymous
Post 04/24/2013 21:26     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat

teacher here.... It amazes me how important it is to parents to have their kid in AAP. Most don't belong but God forbid the parents hear that! Does it matter to the child's future? NO! Many parents do not send their children to the AAP middle school and once the child gets to high school everyone is in the same place. Do you really believe that elementary school AAP will help your child be more successful in the future? Highly unlikely! Many of the AAP kids have been groomed by their parents and constantly told how brilliant they are. Many therefore have no work ethic as they believe they are God given geniuses. So many of the AAP kids do so little and no matter how bright they may actually be, do not belong there as they produce nada! Parents, your snowflake needs to actually do something to justify their AAP placement!!! You, as parents, have set many of your children up for immense disappointment when reality sets in and they actually need to do something as they get older to justify their placement. I also do interviews for my alma mater Harvard and it is so sad how many kids think they belong but based on their work ethic are immediately tossed into the reject pile. Focus on work ethic and discipline parents. Worry not about AAP!


Umm, so a rising 2nd grader should first be published in the New Yorker or perhaps a peer reviewed scientific journal before getting into the AAP program? Wow. This is moving way beyond mere CoGAT test prep.

In any case, Ivy League admissions sound worse than I thought -- So, Ms. Snowflake would please explain to me again what it is that you accomplished to justify getting into AAP? Please young lady take your time before answering.

One of the main reasons that I am so glad that my child was accepted into the AAP program and has been there for 3 years now is that her peers are academically motivated and disciplined in addition to being smart. Perhaps being told that you are brilliant all the time is an Ivy League thing but it has not been happening with my child or any of her friends.

Anonymous
Post 04/24/2013 20:46     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat

A teacher here.... It amazes me how important it is to parents to have their kid in AAP. Most don't belong but God forbid the parents hear that! Does it matter to the child's future? NO! Many parents do not send their children to the AAP middle school and once the child gets to high school everyone is in the same place. Do you really believe that elementary school AAP will help your child be more successful in the future? Highly unlikely! Many of the AAP kids have been groomed by their parents and constantly told how brilliant they are. Many therefore have no work ethic as they believe they are God given geniuses. So many of the AAP kids do so little and no matter how bright they may actually be, do not belong there as they produce nada! Parents, your snowflake needs to actually do something to justify their AAP placement!!! You, as parents, have set many of your children up for immense disappointment when reality sets in and they actually need to do something as they get older to justify their placement. I also do interviews for my alma mater Harvard and it is so sad how many kids think they belong but based on their work ethic are immediately tossed into the reject pile. Focus on work ethic and discipline parents. Worry not about AAP!


Do you have a problem with families who wish to put their children in AAP? I have no problem with teachers desiring to teach in certain and particular schools or systems either. Teacher here.
Anonymous
Post 04/24/2013 20:25     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat

A teacher here.... It amazes me how important it is to parents to have their kid in AAP. Most don't belong but God forbid the parents hear that! Does it matter to the child's future? NO! Many parents do not send their children to the AAP middle school and once the child gets to high school everyone is in the same place. Do you really believe that elementary school AAP will help your child be more successful in the future? Highly unlikely! Many of the AAP kids have been groomed by their parents and constantly told how brilliant they are. Many therefore have no work ethic as they believe they are God given geniuses. So many of the AAP kids do so little and no matter how bright they may actually be, do not belong there as they produce nada! Parents, your snowflake needs to actually do something to justify their AAP placement!!! You, as parents, have set many of your children up for immense disappointment when reality sets in and they actually need to do something as they get older to justify their placement. I also do interviews for my alma mater Harvard and it is so sad how many kids think they belong but based on their work ethic are immediately tossed into the reject pile. Focus on work ethic and discipline parents. Worry not about AAP!
Anonymous
Post 04/24/2013 18:27     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's the explanation of the difference again:


This thread is complete bull. You want to make it so prepping for the CogAT is the same as practicing sports. The same as music.
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It is different. Prepping for the CogAT by using sample questions is akin to forging a birth certificate so an older kid can play on a younger travel team. It is like the elite athlete trying to be the best by taking Human Growth Hormones. It is like the mucisian using a recorded piece instead of a live piece at a concert.

In all fields, there are ways to cheat. And at all levels.

I have seen, in house sports leagues, teams breaking rules on recruiting at the 8 yo level.

It happens. And it is wrong.





Where is the explanation?


It is by analogy. The examples are supposed to be clear examples of cheating, as opposed to solid work ethic and practice.

Prepping by practice tests does nothing for the long run other than inflate a score for the sake of inflating a score (to help one get into AAP). And "practicing" activity should have the goal of allowing the child's brain to properly develop. Not for raising the score on a single test. Raising an intelligent child should be the goal. The CogAT is a metric but not the goal.
The thing is you can inflate the CogAT without increasing the underlying ability to do anything more than take the CogAT. That is a false metric.

And again the problem is, the county knows this goes on. They do not know who specifically has CogAT's that are unreliable. But, if the CogAT is out of whack with the rest of the file, they seem to discount the CogAT (either way). They devalue the CogAT because some people prep.


And this screws over some truly gifted kids who are gifted type II. So, thanks for that!
Anonymous
Post 04/24/2013 18:05     Subject: Re:Prepping/Scamming the Cogat

And chance favors the prepared mind...