Anonymous wrote:Interesting discussion.

I'm not a Barca parent, but I have watched the 05 Barca boys play. They are not as bad as some of the results indicate. You can see what they are working toward, even if the execution is not always there. I'm not sure why people feel the need to be so insulting. They played in a tough division.

Earlier in this discussion it was mentioned Barca didn't cut any kids last year at the end of the Spring season. Everyone who wanted to continue was able to continue. I am fairly certain that very few, if any, of those other EDP Div. 1 clubs kept their entire player pool from the previous seasons. I am familiar with the age group, and I know that most did not. As is common practice everywhere, each year the clubs recruit strong players from other clubs and cut or demote existing players who are deemed to not be helping them win now. Before they get cut, those same kids sit on the bench, with limited, if any playing time. Often these are the smaller, weaker, slower players, or those with late birthdays. If Barca kept their entire pool, that put them at a competitive disadvantage in that division from the outset.

Again, I have no personal stake here, and none of this is to disparage the skill of the more developed players on the very good teams in that 05 division. However, I find the idea of a club trying to develop the players it has rather than creating a super team by attracting strong players from elsewhere to be refreshing. Ditto for having smaller rosters and actually letting kids play in the games, even at risk of losing. Providing the same training to both A and B team player is also great, and will keep the late bloomers developing (and keep them from getting discouraged) until they grow. Pretty much no other club does that, but I wish more would follow suit.

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Anonymous wrote:Such assholes on this thread. Are you really trying to trash a bunch of 14 year olds.....If you can't figure out that the 13-16 year old range is the probably the oddest time for a child and team, you are an idiot. Some kids get big fast...some not so much. Which is why W/Ls don't mean crap because that "loosing" kid that small and slow, if trained properly and improves on field IQ will surely catch up physically and dominate their once big kid they played at 14.

Many of those games—even the big losses were even match until all but the last 15 minutes when the much smaller team/FCB was gassed out. What is more telling is keeping the style under deep pressure which wasn’t done as the new team started in September, but started coming together over time. Progression is important. The way they looked last week versus how they played in September/October is a big difference. If they stick to method size will become less and less important. Playing teams with large rosters and 5’10-5’11” 13-14 year olds is actually good because the team isn’t relying on size advantage and is being forced to work around that, get creative, play quicker balls and “think fast”.

For a 13-year old, I’d rather have my kid on that side of the field and being challenged than winning big every game. The good thing with pro/rel is it sorts itself out. If it’s too much, it will adjust. Last year many losing Fall teams became winning spring teams through development, not physical growth. Free market is good, some parents want instant gratification.

Many 04 and 05 Barca parents voiced their unhappiness when meeting with the technical director. The technical staff attributes struggles in 2004-2005 age groups to being overrun by more athletic kids from other teams, which hit maturity earlier. I think they will recruit hard players from other clubs this spring and move underperforming 04 and 05 players to the lower level teams next year. The results will improve.

I love how parents complain their kid's way to the B team. LOL

So they are also looking for 'size'? I thought their concept of development was 'size' doesn't matter? If they just bring in bigger/taller kids how is that different than anywhere else in the area where the First teams are comprised of Jan-June birthdays and larger kids vs kids that just turned 13 Oct/Nov/Dec?

Sounds very American to me.

It is also conjecture. Just because parents complained doesn't mean Barca is going to start looking for size. It will appear that way since, well the kids will naturally be bigger by just growing.

I can speak to some Barca teams because I have 2 kids there and friends on other teams and I’m at Evergreen a lot watching. There has not been a lot of new recruits added since fall season, and certainly not tall fast kids. One 05 team has zero new players because the roster is already full. A younger team added 2 or 3 new (average sized) players mainly to fill out the roster, so they don’t need to borrow as much from other teams. At the older teams 2002/3, I don’t see many new faces but they did combine age groups to make fewer teams with larger rosters, because some will be playing HS in the spring. As always rosters are somewhat fluid from game to game and practice to practice. As a Barca parent I personally don’t get too caught up in tracking if my players are on the A or B teams, or if we are winning games (although I do want at least competitive), or recruiting faster players, because the level of coaching and development my player gets is the exact same no matter which team or coach or tournaments they play in. Some Barca parents still spend all their sideline time on these things and I stay away

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Anonymous wrote:Such assholes on this thread. Are you really trying to trash a bunch of 14 year olds.....If you can't figure out that the 13-16 year old range is the probably the oddest time for a child and team, you are an idiot. Some kids get big fast...some not so much. Which is why W/Ls don't mean crap because that "loosing" kid that small and slow, if trained properly and improves on field IQ will surely catch up physically and dominate their once big kid they played at 14.

Many of those games—even the big losses were even match until all but the last 15 minutes when the much smaller team/FCB was gassed out. What is more telling is keeping the style under deep pressure which wasn’t done as the new team started in September, but started coming together over time. Progression is important. The way they looked last week versus how they played in September/October is a big difference. If they stick to method size will become less and less important. Playing teams with large rosters and 5’10-5’11” 13-14 year olds is actually good because the team isn’t relying on size advantage and is being forced to work around that, get creative, play quicker balls and “think fast”.

For a 13-year old, I’d rather have my kid on that side of the field and being challenged than winning big every game. The good thing with pro/rel is it sorts itself out. If it’s too much, it will adjust. Last year many losing Fall teams became winning spring teams through development, not physical growth. Free market is good, some parents want instant gratification.

Many 04 and 05 Barca parents voiced their unhappiness when meeting with the technical director. The technical staff attributes struggles in 2004-2005 age groups to being overrun by more athletic kids from other teams, which hit maturity earlier. I think they will recruit hard players from other clubs this spring and move underperforming 04 and 05 players to the lower level teams next year. The results will improve.

I love how parents complain their kid's way to the B team. LOL

So they are also looking for 'size'? I thought their concept of development was 'size' doesn't matter? If they just bring in bigger/taller kids how is that different than anywhere else in the area where the First teams are comprised of Jan-June birthdays and larger kids vs kids that just turned 13 Oct/Nov/Dec?

Sounds very American to me.

It is also conjecture. Just because parents complained doesn't mean Barca is going to start looking for size. It will appear that way since, well the kids will naturally be bigger by just growing.

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Anonymous wrote:Such assholes on this thread. Are you really trying to trash a bunch of 14 year olds.....If you can't figure out that the 13-16 year old range is the probably the oddest time for a child and team, you are an idiot. Some kids get big fast...some not so much. Which is why W/Ls don't mean crap because that "loosing" kid that small and slow, if trained properly and improves on field IQ will surely catch up physically and dominate their once big kid they played at 14.

Many of those games—even the big losses were even match until all but the last 15 minutes when the much smaller team/FCB was gassed out. What is more telling is keeping the style under deep pressure which wasn’t done as the new team started in September, but started coming together over time. Progression is important. The way they looked last week versus how they played in September/October is a big difference. If they stick to method size will become less and less important. Playing teams with large rosters and 5’10-5’11” 13-14 year olds is actually good because the team isn’t relying on size advantage and is being forced to work around that, get creative, play quicker balls and “think fast”.

For a 13-year old, I’d rather have my kid on that side of the field and being challenged than winning big every game. The good thing with pro/rel is it sorts itself out. If it’s too much, it will adjust. Last year many losing Fall teams became winning spring teams through development, not physical growth. Free market is good, some parents want instant gratification.

does the fall to spring transition have anything to do with MS/HS soccer?

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Anonymous wrote:Such assholes on this thread. Are you really trying to trash a bunch of 14 year olds.....If you can't figure out that the 13-16 year old range is the probably the oddest time for a child and team, you are an idiot. Some kids get big fast...some not so much. Which is why W/Ls don't mean crap because that "loosing" kid that small and slow, if trained properly and improves on field IQ will surely catch up physically and dominate their once big kid they played at 14.

Many of those games—even the big losses were even match until all but the last 15 minutes when the much smaller team/FCB was gassed out. What is more telling is keeping the style under deep pressure which wasn’t done as the new team started in September, but started coming together over time. Progression is important. The way they looked last week versus how they played in September/October is a big difference. If they stick to method size will become less and less important. Playing teams with large rosters and 5’10-5’11” 13-14 year olds is actually good because the team isn’t relying on size advantage and is being forced to work around that, get creative, play quicker balls and “think fast”.

For a 13-year old, I’d rather have my kid on that side of the field and being challenged than winning big every game. The good thing with pro/rel is it sorts itself out. If it’s too much, it will adjust. Last year many losing Fall teams became winning spring teams through development, not physical growth. Free market is good, some parents want instant gratification.

Many 04 and 05 Barca parents voiced their unhappiness when meeting with the technical director. The technical staff attributes struggles in 2004-2005 age groups to being overrun by more athletic kids from other teams, which hit maturity earlier. I think they will recruit hard players from other clubs this spring and move underperforming 04 and 05 players to the lower level teams next year. The results will improve.

I love how parents complain their kid's way to the B team. LOL

So they are also looking for 'size'? I thought their concept of development was 'size' doesn't matter? If they just bring in bigger/taller kids how is that different than anywhere else in the area where the First teams are comprised of Jan-June birthdays and larger kids vs kids that just turned 13 Oct/Nov/Dec?

Sounds very American to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Such assholes on this thread. Are you really trying to trash a bunch of 14 year olds.....If you can't figure out that the 13-16 year old range is the probably the oddest time for a child and team, you are an idiot. Some kids get big fast...some not so much. Which is why W/Ls don't mean crap because that "loosing" kid that small and slow, if trained properly and improves on field IQ will surely catch up physically and dominate their once big kid they played at 14.

Many of those games—even the big losses were even match until all but the last 15 minutes when the much smaller team/FCB was gassed out. What is more telling is keeping the style under deep pressure which wasn’t done as the new team started in September, but started coming together over time. Progression is important. The way they looked last week versus how they played in September/October is a big difference. If they stick to method size will become less and less important. Playing teams with large rosters and 5’10-5’11” 13-14 year olds is actually good because the team isn’t relying on size advantage and is being forced to work around that, get creative, play quicker balls and “think fast”.

For a 13-year old, I’d rather have my kid on that side of the field and being challenged than winning big every game. The good thing with pro/rel is it sorts itself out. If it’s too much, it will adjust. Last year many losing Fall teams became winning spring teams through development, not physical growth. Free market is good, some parents want instant gratification.

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Anonymous wrote:Such assholes on this thread. Are you really trying to trash a bunch of 14 year olds.....If you can't figure out that the 13-16 year old range is the probably the oddest time for a child and team, you are an idiot. Some kids get big fast...some not so much. Which is why W/Ls don't mean crap because that "loosing" kid that small and slow, if trained properly and improves on field IQ will surely catch up physically and dominate their once big kid they played at 14.

Many of those games—even the big losses were even match until all but the last 15 minutes when the much smaller team/FCB was gassed out. What is more telling is keeping the style under deep pressure which wasn’t done as the new team started in September, but started coming together over time. Progression is important. The way they looked last week versus how they played in September/October is a big difference. If they stick to method size will become less and less important. Playing teams with large rosters and 5’10-5’11” 13-14 year olds is actually good because the team isn’t relying on size advantage and is being forced to work around that, get creative, play quicker balls and “think fast”.

For a 13-year old, I’d rather have my kid on that side of the field and being challenged than winning big every game. The good thing with pro/rel is it sorts itself out. If it’s too much, it will adjust. Last year many losing Fall teams became winning spring teams through development, not physical growth. Free market is good, some parents want instant gratification.

Many 04 and 05 Barca parents voiced their unhappiness when meeting with the technical director. The technical staff attributes struggles in 2004-2005 age groups to being overrun by more athletic kids from other teams, which hit maturity earlier. I think they will recruit hard players from other clubs this spring and move underperforming 04 and 05 players to the lower level teams next year. The results will improve.

I love how parents complain their kid's way to the B team. LOL

So they are also looking for 'size'? I thought their concept of development was 'size' doesn't matter? If they just bring in bigger/taller kids how is that different than anywhere else in the area where the First teams are comprised of Jan-June birthdays and larger kids vs kids that just turned 13 Oct/Nov/Dec?

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Anonymous wrote:Such assholes on this thread. Are you really trying to trash a bunch of 14 year olds.....If you can't figure out that the 13-16 year old range is the probably the oddest time for a child and team, you are an idiot. Some kids get big fast...some not so much. Which is why W/Ls don't mean crap because that "loosing" kid that small and slow, if trained properly and improves on field IQ will surely catch up physically and dominate their once big kid they played at 14.

Many of those games—even the big losses were even match until all but the last 15 minutes when the much smaller team/FCB was gassed out. What is more telling is keeping the style under deep pressure which wasn’t done as the new team started in September, but started coming together over time. Progression is important. The way they looked last week versus how they played in September/October is a big difference. If they stick to method size will become less and less important. Playing teams with large rosters and 5’10-5’11” 13-14 year olds is actually good because the team isn’t relying on size advantage and is being forced to work around that, get creative, play quicker balls and “think fast”.

For a 13-year old, I’d rather have my kid on that side of the field and being challenged than winning big every game. The good thing with pro/rel is it sorts itself out. If it’s too much, it will adjust. Last year many losing Fall teams became winning spring teams through development, not physical growth. Free market is good, some parents want instant gratification.

Many 04 and 05 Barca parents voiced their unhappiness when meeting with the technical director. The technical staff attributes struggles in 2004-2005 age groups to being overrun by more athletic kids from other teams, which hit maturity earlier. I think they will recruit hard players from other clubs this spring and move underperforming 04 and 05 players to the lower level teams next year. The results will improve.

I love how parents complain their kid's way to the B team. LOL

So they are also looking for 'size'? I thought their concept of development was 'size' doesn't matter? If they just bring in bigger/taller kids how is that different than anywhere else in the area where the First teams are comprised of Jan-June birthdays and larger kids vs kids that just turned 13 Oct/Nov/Dec?

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Anonymous wrote:Such assholes on this thread. Are you really trying to trash a bunch of 14 year olds.....If you can't figure out that the 13-16 year old range is the probably the oddest time for a child and team, you are an idiot. Some kids get big fast...some not so much. Which is why W/Ls don't mean crap because that "loosing" kid that small and slow, if trained properly and improves on field IQ will surely catch up physically and dominate their once big kid they played at 14.

Many of those games—even the big losses were even match until all but the last 15 minutes when the much smaller team/FCB was gassed out. What is more telling is keeping the style under deep pressure which wasn’t done as the new team started in September, but started coming together over time. Progression is important. The way they looked last week versus how they played in September/October is a big difference. If they stick to method size will become less and less important. Playing teams with large rosters and 5’10-5’11” 13-14 year olds is actually good because the team isn’t relying on size advantage and is being forced to work around that, get creative, play quicker balls and “think fast”.

For a 13-year old, I’d rather have my kid on that side of the field and being challenged than winning big every game. The good thing with pro/rel is it sorts itself out. If it’s too much, it will adjust. Last year many losing Fall teams became winning spring teams through development, not physical growth. Free market is good, some parents want instant gratification.

Many 04 and 05 Barca parents voiced their unhappiness when meeting with the technical director. The technical staff attributes struggles in 2004-2005 age groups to being overrun by more athletic kids from other teams, which hit maturity earlier. I think they will recruit hard players from other clubs this spring and move underperforming 04 and 05 players to the lower level teams next year. The results will improve.

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Anonymous wrote:Such assholes on this thread. Are you really trying to trash a bunch of 14 year olds.....If you can't figure out that the 13-16 year old range is the probably the oddest time for a child and team, you are an idiot. Some kids get big fast...some not so much. Which is why W/Ls don't mean crap because that "loosing" kid that small and slow, if trained properly and improves on field IQ will surely catch up physically and dominate their once big kid they played at 14.

Many of those games—even the big losses were even match until all but the last 15 minutes when the much smaller team/FCB was gassed out. What is more telling is keeping the style under deep pressure which wasn’t done as the new team started in September, but started coming together over time. Progression is important. The way they looked last week versus how they played in September/October is a big difference. If they stick to method size will become less and less important. Playing teams with large rosters and 5’10-5’11” 13-14 year olds is actually good because the team isn’t relying on size advantage and is being forced to work around that, get creative, play quicker balls and “think fast”.

For a 13-year old, I’d rather have my kid on that side of the field and being challenged than winning big every game. The good thing with pro/rel is it sorts itself out. If it’s too much, it will adjust. Last year many losing Fall teams became winning spring teams through development, not physical growth. Free market is good, some parents want instant gratification.

Many 04 and 05 Barca parents voiced their unhappiness when meeting with the technical director. The technical staff attributes struggles in 2004-2005 age groups to being overrun by more athletic kids from other teams, which hit maturity earlier. I think they will recruit hard players from other clubs this spring and move underperforming 04 and 05 players to the lower level teams next year. The results will improve.

I love how parents complain their kid's way to the B team. LOL

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Anonymous wrote:Such assholes on this thread. Are you really trying to trash a bunch of 14 year olds.....If you can't figure out that the 13-16 year old range is the probably the oddest time for a child and team, you are an idiot. Some kids get big fast...some not so much. Which is why W/Ls don't mean crap because that "loosing" kid that small and slow, if trained properly and improves on field IQ will surely catch up physically and dominate their once big kid they played at 14.

Many of those games—even the big losses were even match until all but the last 15 minutes when the much smaller team/FCB was gassed out. What is more telling is keeping the style under deep pressure which wasn’t done as the new team started in September, but started coming together over time. Progression is important. The way they looked last week versus how they played in September/October is a big difference. If they stick to method size will become less and less important. Playing teams with large rosters and 5’10-5’11” 13-14 year olds is actually good because the team isn’t relying on size advantage and is being forced to work around that, get creative, play quicker balls and “think fast”.

For a 13-year old, I’d rather have my kid on that side of the field and being challenged than winning big every game. The good thing with pro/rel is it sorts itself out. If it’s too much, it will adjust. Last year many losing Fall teams became winning spring teams through development, not physical growth. Free market is good, some parents want instant gratification.

Many 04 and 05 Barca parents voiced their unhappiness when meeting with the technical director. The technical staff attributes struggles in 2004-2005 age groups to being overrun by more athletic kids from other teams, which hit maturity earlier. I think they will recruit hard players from other clubs this spring and move underperforming 04 and 05 players to the lower level teams next year. The results will improve.

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Anonymous wrote:Such assholes on this thread. Are you really trying to trash a bunch of 14 year olds.....If you can't figure out that the 13-16 year old range is the probably the oddest time for a child and team, you are an idiot. Some kids get big fast...some not so much. Which is why W/Ls don't mean crap because that "loosing" kid that small and slow, if trained properly and improves on field IQ will surely catch up physically and dominate their once big kid they played at 14.

Many of those games—even the big losses were even match until all but the last 15 minutes when the much smaller team/FCB was gassed out. What is more telling is keeping the style under deep pressure which wasn’t done as the new team started in September, but started coming together over time. Progression is important. The way they looked last week versus how they played in September/October is a big difference. If they stick to method size will become less and less important. Playing teams with large rosters and 5’10-5’11” 13-14 year olds is actually good because the team isn’t relying on size advantage and is being forced to work around that, get creative, play quicker balls and “think fast”.

For a 13-year old, I’d rather have my kid on that side of the field and being challenged than winning big every game. The good thing with pro/rel is it sorts itself out. If it’s too much, it will adjust. Last year many losing Fall teams became winning spring teams through development, not physical growth. Free market is good, some parents want instant gratification.