Anonymous
Post 05/26/2015 20:51     Subject: Re:Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
Anonymous wrote:Can we have a just the facts thread with any new news links and a list of the sponsors?

Because these Duggar apologists are making me really sick to my stomach.


You're free to start one! Guess what? There are apparently plenty of us posting here that are supportive of the duggars, why is that so hard to believe? They were obviously a very popular show on tlc, and not everyone who watched it hated them! I'm plenty annoyed by how hateful people are being on this thread, but I'm not demanding to have a thread where people can't post what they want to post, seriously, why make a comment like this instead of opening your own thread if that's what you want????
Anonymous
Post 05/26/2015 20:50     Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
Thinking back on the episodes I did watch of the show, people seemed wary of Josh.

the family definitely treated him differently. he had his own room. they weren't as "warm" to him.

Go look and see what I mean.

I am convinced they dealt with him in a very harsh manner in order to ensure that he was never alone with the girls again and that he never reoffended.
Anonymous
Post 05/26/2015 20:50     Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
Anonymous wrote:All you secular humanists are insistent that only secular counseling can be implemented.

that is wrong.

There are all sorts of a ways a person can get counseled and grow and learn.


Why not both? I am religious and if my child had serious problems, I would want him talking both to our priest AND to an experience, specialized psychologist.
Anonymous
Post 05/26/2015 20:50     Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
How did they "allow" him?
Anonymous
Post 05/26/2015 20:49     Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
From what Jim Bob said, it makes me even more certain that he dealt with Josh in an appropriately harsh manner.

He did not enable him.

Clearly, Jim Bob realizes rape and incest are serious crimes and should be dealt with as such.
Anonymous
Post 05/26/2015 20:49     Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
Anonymous wrote:For the hundreth time for the moron who don't seem to get this:

The DUGGARs do not support child molestation.

Why do you claim that they do?

the answer is: you hate them and their values and their religion.

Which is unfair and mean.



You know what's unfair and mean? When your parents allow your brother to molest you and then do nothing about it.
Anonymous
Post 05/26/2015 20:48     Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Re: professional counseling.

I work in social services. I am not impressed with professional "child counseling."

I think religious counseling can be just as effective, esp. for a religious family. This is why many people seek out the advice of their pastors and religious leaders, etc.

By the way, I am not religious, but I think a lot of psychology is bunk...We are all human. the Duggars got someone to talk to Josh. He had daily counseling in the form of his religion.

Again, how many ways are there to say to him: "Josh, this was wrong; it was harmful; don't do it again." he has learned this lesson over and over and over.

Why does he need a PHD person to give him this lesson? why not a pastor? Same Diff really and truly. and because he is religious and so is his family, the religious moral lesson will probably stick with him.


I sort of agree with you, that a non-professional could give him reasonably effective counseling. But nobody said to him, from a counselor, "Josh, this was wrong; it was harmful; don't do it again." While the methods of dealing with these problems by the ATI have been previously posted, it's not clear that Josh received any of these. In the police report, Michelle corrected herself and said that he did manual labor instead of counseling. He didn't get any counseling at all, not religious or professional.


But what about his sisters and the other victim? Shouldn't they have had talk therapy or some sort of play therapy or something? I'm not a psychologist, but it seems like they should have had a safe place to discuss and process what happened to them and to be reassured that it wasn't their fault etc.
Anonymous
Post 05/26/2015 20:48     Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure why people are shocked that a parenting board would sympathize in many ways with the difficulty the Duggars faced being parents to not only the victims but the perpetrator as well. It isn't about being Quiverfull, Conservative, or even Liberal. It is about being parents.


Well, the Duggars are pretty sucky parents, then.
Anonymous
Post 05/26/2015 20:48     Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Re: professional counseling.

I work in social services. I am not impressed with professional "child counseling."

I think religious counseling can be just as effective, esp. for a religious family. This is why many people seek out the advice of their pastors and religious leaders, etc.

By the way, I am not religious, but I think a lot of psychology is bunk...We are all human. the Duggars got someone to talk to Josh. He had daily counseling in the form of his religion.

Again, how many ways are there to say to him: "Josh, this was wrong; it was harmful; don't do it again." he has learned this lesson over and over and over.

Why does he need a PHD person to give him this lesson? why not a pastor? Same Diff really and truly. and because he is religious and so is his family, the religious moral lesson will probably stick with him.


I sort of agree with you, that a non-professional could give him reasonably effective counseling. But nobody said to him, from a counselor, "Josh, this was wrong; it was harmful; don't do it again." While the methods of dealing with these problems by the ATI have been previously posted, it's not clear that Josh received any of these. In the police report, Michelle corrected herself and said that he did manual labor instead of counseling. He didn't get any counseling at all, not religious or professional.


You are making a wrong assumption. Why do you keep perpetuating this myth that somehow the Duggars are victim blaming or that the counseling they received blamed the victims? there is NOT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE OF THIS.

Read the Duggars' statements.
Anonymous
Post 05/26/2015 20:47     Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
Anonymous wrote:PP -- the Duggars are heartbroken this happened and they dealt with it in a dignified and responsible manner. the way they handled it allowed their family to survive. Josh has not re-offended. The sisters seem okay. Josh also survived and has a family of his own. What -- he should be thrown in jail for life? Killed? What?

What the heck is it that you all want from this family?

It is as if you are all saying - ha ha ha they are a bunch of idiots and deserve all this.

Bad stuff happens in the best of families.

This family handled it well.

Leave them alone.


Actually, it's Jim Bob that thought that those that commit rape and incest should be killed, according to his own political platform from his unsuccessful U.S. Senate campaign.

"Rape and incest represent heinous crimes and as such should be treated as capital crimes."
http://defamer.gawker.com/duggar-dads-political-platform-incest-should-be-punish-1706929035

A hypocrite says what?
Anonymous
Post 05/26/2015 20:47     Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
Social worker here-there are boarding schools/residential treatment programs that focus on teenagers who have molested other children or engaged in other sexually inappropriate behaviors. This would be the gold standard for treatment in a case like this-it gets the offender the intensive therapy he needs and it gets him out of the home environment and away from his victims.

The combination of therapy and a highly-structured residential environment with consistent expectations can work wonders with teenaged offenders. It is VERY rare to come across a molester who was not molested or abused himself (unless the child has RAD-adoptee from Russia, etc.).

The next best decision would be to remove the molester from the home and place him with responsible relatives while he undergoes therapeutic treatment. The home life should be thoroughly investigated by a social worker b/c this behavior is very very rare in functioning families. There are outpatient therapy centers which are basically like going to school all day-the teenager spends the day at the therapy center, doing schoolwork and having group and individual therapy.
Anonymous
Post 05/26/2015 20:45     Subject: Re:Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can we have a just the facts thread with any new news links and a list of the sponsors?

Because these Duggar apologists are making me really sick to my stomach.


I'm guessing some of them might be TLC drones, trying to up support to continue milking their cash cow. There's no way any person with a modicum of ethics can continue supporting the Duggars, how they handled Josh's predatory abuse, and their crazy cult version of Christianity.


I am writing comments supporting the Duggars.

I am not affliated with TLC.

I am an atheist.

What -- no one is allowed to support the Duggars? That is what is wrong with you PC liberals. If someone doesn't agree with you, there must be something wrong with them.

how about - I analyzed the situation myself and made up my own mind.

YOU MAKE ME SICK.
Anonymous
Post 05/26/2015 20:45     Subject: Re:Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
Anonymous wrote:BUMP

Anonymous wrote:Thank you to whomever posted the companies & brands who advertise on 19 Kids & Counting, and TLC!

Because I had a little time, here are their main social media pages, if you want to leave them a note about withdrawing advertising from the show. Feel free to copy and distribute.

CVS
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/cvs_extra
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/cvs_pharmacy/

Walgreens
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/walgreens
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/walgreens

Macy’s
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/macys
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/macys

McDonald’s
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/mcdonalds and https://twitter.com/mcdonaldscorp
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/mcdonalds/

Panera Bread
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Philadelphia Cream Cheese
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- Instagram: ?

Firehouse Subs
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- Instagram: https://instagram.com/firehousesubs/

Pizza Hut
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/pizzahut
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/pizzahut/

Pure Leaf Iced Tea
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/pureleaf
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/pureleaficedtea/

Naked Juice
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/nakedjuice
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/nakedjuice/

BehrPaint
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/behrpaint and https://twitter.com/behrpro
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/behrpaint/

Sherwin-Williams
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/sherwinwilliams
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/sherwinwilliams/

State Farm Insurance
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/statefarm and https://twitter.com/jakestatefarm
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/statefarm/

Allstate Insurance
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/allstate and https://twitter.com/allstatecares
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/allstate/

GEICO
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/geico and https://twitter.com/geico_service and https://twitter.com/thegeicogecko
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/geico

Benjamin Moore
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/benjamin_moore and https://twitter.com/benmoorepro
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/benjaminmoore/

Wyndham Hotels and Resorts
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WyndhamHotels
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/wyndham and https://twitter.com/wyndhamrewards and https://twitter.com/whg_news
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/clubwyndham/

King’s Hawaiian
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KingsHawaiian
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/kingshawaiian
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/kingshawaiian/

Jimmy Dean
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/JimmyDean
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/jimmydean
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/jimmydean/

Kohl’s
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kohls
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/kohls
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/kohls

Oscar Mayer
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/oscarmayer and https://twitter.com/wienermobile
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/oscarmayer/

Ricola
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/ricolausa
- Instagram: ?

Keurig
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/keurig
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/keurig/

Ace Hardware
- Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/acehardware
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/acehardware and https://twitter.com/acehardwarecorp
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/acehardware/

Arm & Hammer
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/armandhammeruk [UK branch]
- Instagram: ?

Listerine
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/listerineglobal
- Instagram: ?

FRONTLINE Plus
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/frontlineplusus
- Instagram: ?

Minute Maid
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/minutemaid_us
- Instagram: ?

Party City
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/partycity
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/partycity

Crayola
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/crayola
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/crayola

Lowe’s Home Improvement
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/lowes and https://twitter.com/lowescares
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/loweshomeimprovement/

David’s Bridal
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/davidsbridal and https://twitter.com/db_cares
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/davidsbridal/

Discover
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/discover
- Instagram: ?

ConAgra Foods
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- Twitter: https://twitter.com/ConAgraFoods
- Instagram: https://instagram.com/conagrafoods/


Please stop bumping this obnoxiously long list ITS ANNOYING. Start your own thread to promote it if you must, but please stop bumping it, it's annoying
Anonymous
Post 05/26/2015 20:40     Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
Anonymous wrote:Re: professional counseling.

I work in social services. I am not impressed with professional "child counseling."

I think religious counseling can be just as effective, esp. for a religious family. This is why many people seek out the advice of their pastors and religious leaders, etc.

By the way, I am not religious, but I think a lot of psychology is bunk...We are all human. the Duggars got someone to talk to Josh. He had daily counseling in the form of his religion.

Again, how many ways are there to say to him: "Josh, this was wrong; it was harmful; don't do it again." he has learned this lesson over and over and over.

Why does he need a PHD person to give him this lesson? why not a pastor? Same Diff really and truly. and because he is religious and so is his family, the religious moral lesson will probably stick with him.


I sort of agree with you, that a non-professional could give him reasonably effective counseling. But nobody said to him, from a counselor, "Josh, this was wrong; it was harmful; don't do it again." While the methods of dealing with these problems by the ATI have been previously posted, it's not clear that Josh received any of these. In the police report, Michelle corrected herself and said that he did manual labor instead of counseling. He didn't get any counseling at all, not religious or professional.
Anonymous
Post 05/26/2015 20:40     Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
Re: inflamatory statements person --



What - No one can have an opinion unless it is the DCUM politically correct liberal opinion?

Give me a break.