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Anonymous wrote:Mamdami learned from the Democratic party failures in the 2024 presidential election. You have to listen to the young people.

The young people told Biden and Harris that if they didn't speak out against Israel, they wouldn't vote for them...and they did not vote for them.

Also, if you get on BlueSky and TikTok where most Gen Z and Millennials are communicating, you'll realize the young people have learned a valuable lesson: there are more of us than old people. If we band together and vote, we can get the candidate we want who will enact the policies we want. Older generations roll their eyes at millennials, but we are the most educated generation and also the generation with the least (in terms of wealth, real estate holdings, and kids). We are also one of the most well-traveled generations. We've been to other places in the world and seen how the citizens of other countries live better than us because of proper taxation of the wealthy and corporations. We have learned that we could have all that in the US if our government simply taxed the rich and corporations at appropriate rates.

Also, just for reference, because for some reason reason people on DCUM have it perpetually stuck in their heads that Gen Z are teenagers and Millennials are 20-somethings, here are the official age breakdowns:

Baby Boomers: 1946-1964 (ages 79-61)
Gen X: 1965-1980 (ages 60-45)
Millennials: 1981-1996 (ages 44-29)
Gen Z: 1997-2012 (ages 28-13)

I'm 43. I make more right now than both of my parents did combined at this age. I don't own a house. I live with a partner, but we are not married. We do not want kids because of the cost of everything. My parents owned a house, 2 cars, and took 3 kids on 2-3 vacations each year when they were in their 40s and they did that on the salaries of a tow truck driver and an office admin.

43 is not “young”. You are middle aged (as am I, also 43).

Your observations are generally correct and applicable to millennials (but not universal; I enjoy a much better standard of living than my parents did, I am married and I have 3 kids). ZM is not going to deliver a standard of living you seek, and, if his policy proposals are actually implemented, it will make your problems worse.

NP here. Do you not think there is an affordability and housing crisis in our country? That fact seems undeniable to me and should not be surprising given the energy of the occupy wall street movement over a decade ago and the growing inequality since then. So if there are problems with affordability/housing, why not try to some ideas? What I find refreshing about Mamdani is that he does not seem wed to ideology - listen to him talk about his grocery stores. It's one in each borough (which can be funded through existing city food programs) and he outright says if it doesn't work, then he will close them. Food deserts are a huge issue that the private sector has not tried so why not experiment with a public sector solution?

Read up on socialism. It is not something the US should "aspire" to.
Mamdani is a full blown socialist. Not a "democratic socialist," whatever the hell that is. (I don't believe it is a real thing - I believe that "democratic socialists" are actually thinly disguised socialists.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/socialism.asp

Essential Features
In a purely socialist system, all production and distribution decisions are made by the collective, directed by a central planner or government body. Worker cooperatives, however, are also a form of socialized production.

Socialist systems tend to have robust welfare systems and social safety nets so that individuals rely on the state for everything from food to healthcare. The government determines the output and pricing levels of these goods and services.

Socialists contend that shared ownership of resources and central planning provide a more equal distribution of goods and services and a more equitable society.

KEY TAKEAWAYS
Socialism is an economic and political system based on collective ownership of the means of production.
In a socialist system, all legal production and distribution decisions are made by the government. The government also determines all output and pricing levels and supplies its citizens with everything from food to healthcare.
Proponents of socialism believe that it leads to a more equal distribution of goods and services and a more equitable society.
Socialist ideals include production for use, rather than for profit; an equitable distribution of wealth and material resources among all people; no more competitive buying and selling in the market; and free access to goods and services.
Capitalism, with its belief in private ownership and the maximizing of profits, stands in contrast to socialism, but most capitalist economies today have some socialist aspects.

Socialist Countries
China
Cuba
Laos
North Korea
Vietnam

See also, Finland, Sweden, Finland, etc.

Social democracies.

Pure capitalism is Somalia.

No, Somalia is warlords.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this board still pretending he isn’t a communist as video surfaces of him describing his end goal of seizing the means of production? Open your eyes.

https://thepostmillennial.com/communist-zohran-mamdani-admitted-in-2021-the-end-goal-was-seizing-the-means-of-production

The first thing you should do is to learn the difference between socialism and communism. Then you should learn about socialist systems that exist. Once there, maybe spend five minutes learning about successful social democracies. Ok, once you have that background down you can think about what you actually could implement in the US (probably not much of it) and how almost any of it would improve the lives of average Americans. I know that republicans have you convinced that you should lick the boot of billionaires, and you can, but the rest of us aren’t.

Oh please. Stop pretending. This guy is using the veil of “social democracy” to promote blatantly communist concepts such as seizing the means of production. It’s plain as day.

But when the "means of production" are not producing for the people, what is wrong with government intervention?

Mamdani is rich. Obviously our system has worked just fine for him.
Go back and read your history book about the millions killed in communism.

Again, you are confusing socialism with communism.

I’m glad that this is all happening. Using socialism as some boogeyman has to end. Social Security, public education, libraries, infrastructure, all SOCIAL SYSTEMS. You know, socialism.

Don’t worry, though, the republicans are convincing a bunch of fools that they don’t even deserve that return on their own money. You’ll pay taxes and you’ll get nothing from them and you’ll like it.

+100. Social security is the most popular social program.

Good grief. The US is based on capitalism. Not socialism.
Socialism, as Mamdani would like, is NOT a good thing. The piece that was linked upthread about socialistm has this little bit that you all are ignoring:

"Capitalism, with its belief in private ownership and the maximizing of profits, stands in contrast to socialism, but most capitalist economies today have some socialist aspects."

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/socialism.asp

Just because the US has some aspect of socialism, that doesn't mean that socialism is good or that the US is a socialist country.

That's your opinion, and the great thing about democracy is that this country can be whatever the people want it to be.

It’s not my opinion. It’s fact. The US is not a socialist country. And will hopefully never become one.

The fire and police department is a socialist concept. Highway and public roads are socialist as well. Parks and libraries are socialist as well.

The most popular parts of our society are socialist.

There you go again, deliberately conflating public goods for all with wealth distribution from individual producers to individual non producers

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Anonymous wrote:Is this board still pretending he isn’t a communist as video surfaces of him describing his end goal of seizing the means of production? Open your eyes.

https://thepostmillennial.com/communist-zohran-mamdani-admitted-in-2021-the-end-goal-was-seizing-the-means-of-production

The first thing you should do is to learn the difference between socialism and communism. Then you should learn about socialist systems that exist. Once there, maybe spend five minutes learning about successful social democracies. Ok, once you have that background down you can think about what you actually could implement in the US (probably not much of it) and how almost any of it would improve the lives of average Americans. I know that republicans have you convinced that you should lick the boot of billionaires, and you can, but the rest of us aren’t.

Oh please. Stop pretending. This guy is using the veil of “social democracy” to promote blatantly communist concepts such as seizing the means of production. It’s plain as day.

But when the "means of production" are not producing for the people, what is wrong with government intervention?

Mamdani is rich. Obviously our system has worked just fine for him.
Go back and read your history book about the millions killed in communism.

Again, you are confusing socialism with communism.

I’m glad that this is all happening. Using socialism as some boogeyman has to end. Social Security, public education, libraries, infrastructure, all SOCIAL SYSTEMS. You know, socialism.

Don’t worry, though, the republicans are convincing a bunch of fools that they don’t even deserve that return on their own money. You’ll pay taxes and you’ll get nothing from them and you’ll like it.

+100. Social security is the most popular social program.

Good grief. The US is based on capitalism. Not socialism.
Socialism, as Mamdani would like, is NOT a good thing. The piece that was linked upthread about socialistm has this little bit that you all are ignoring:

"Capitalism, with its belief in private ownership and the maximizing of profits, stands in contrast to socialism, but most capitalist economies today have some socialist aspects."

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/socialism.asp

Just because the US has some aspect of socialism, that doesn't mean that socialism is good or that the US is a socialist country.

That's your opinion, and the great thing about democracy is that this country can be whatever the people want it to be.

It’s not my opinion. It’s fact. The US is not a socialist country. And will hopefully never become one.

The fire and police department is a socialist concept. Highway and public roads are socialist as well. Parks and libraries are socialist as well.

The most popular parts of our society are socialist.

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Anonymous wrote:White House press secretary. Leavitt indicates the administration is open to a denaturalization-oriented investigation against Zohran Mamdani

This is how you know they are not planning on there ever being another Presidential election in the US. They aren't worried about retaliation from another Admin coming in and doing the same thing to the Trump family members or to naturalized/birth-right GOP House and Senate members.

He is scaring the crap out of the Republicans for some reason.

No he's not. as a conservative/Republican I hope that Mamdani continues to get traction and attention in NY so on a national level, people can see the destructive effects of leftism and de-funding the police.

They are talking about denaturalizing and deporting him lol. He scares the crap out them.

What is the basis for deporting him - is he an illegal!

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Anonymous wrote:White House press secretary. Leavitt indicates the administration is open to a denaturalization-oriented investigation against Zohran Mamdani

This is how you know they are not planning on there ever being another Presidential election in the US. They aren't worried about retaliation from another Admin coming in and doing the same thing to the Trump family members or to naturalized/birth-right GOP House and Senate members.

He is scaring the crap out of the Republicans for some reason.

No he's not. as a conservative/Republican I hope that Mamdani continues to get traction and attention in NY so on a national level, people can see the destructive effects of leftism and de-funding the police.

They are talking about denaturalizing and deporting him lol. He scares the crap out them.

What is the basis for deporting him - is he an illegal!

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Anonymous wrote:Is this board still pretending he isn’t a communist as video surfaces of him describing his end goal of seizing the means of production? Open your eyes.

https://thepostmillennial.com/communist-zohran-mamdani-admitted-in-2021-the-end-goal-was-seizing-the-means-of-production

The first thing you should do is to learn the difference between socialism and communism. Then you should learn about socialist systems that exist. Once there, maybe spend five minutes learning about successful social democracies. Ok, once you have that background down you can think about what you actually could implement in the US (probably not much of it) and how almost any of it would improve the lives of average Americans. I know that republicans have you convinced that you should lick the boot of billionaires, and you can, but the rest of us aren’t.

Oh please. Stop pretending. This guy is using the veil of “social democracy” to promote blatantly communist concepts such as seizing the means of production. It’s plain as day.

But when the "means of production" are not producing for the people, what is wrong with government intervention?

Mamdani is rich. Obviously our system has worked just fine for him.
Go back and read your history book about the millions killed in communism.

Again, you are confusing socialism with communism.

I’m glad that this is all happening. Using socialism as some boogeyman has to end. Social Security, public education, libraries, infrastructure, all SOCIAL SYSTEMS. You know, socialism.

Don’t worry, though, the republicans are convincing a bunch of fools that they don’t even deserve that return on their own money. You’ll pay taxes and you’ll get nothing from them and you’ll like it.

+100. Social security is the most popular social program.

Good grief. The US is based on capitalism. Not socialism.
Socialism, as Mamdani would like, is NOT a good thing. The piece that was linked upthread about socialistm has this little bit that you all are ignoring:

"Capitalism, with its belief in private ownership and the maximizing of profits, stands in contrast to socialism, but most capitalist economies today have some socialist aspects."

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/socialism.asp

Just because the US has some aspect of socialism, that doesn't mean that socialism is good or that the US is a socialist country.

That's your opinion, and the great thing about democracy is that this country can be whatever the people want it to be.

Liar. We are a REPUBLIC. Learn the difference.

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“The Rise of Anti-Israel Extremist Groups and Their Threat to U.S. National Security”

This memo is one avenue that could be used to deport Mamdani. Essentially, if you're anti-Israel then you are also anti-America and thus a security threat.

The is legislation right now in congress calling for his deportation.

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Anonymous wrote:White House press secretary. Leavitt indicates the administration is open to a denaturalization-oriented investigation against Zohran Mamdani

This is how you know they are not planning on there ever being another Presidential election in the US. They aren't worried about retaliation from another Admin coming in and doing the same thing to the Trump family members or to naturalized/birth-right GOP House and Senate members.

He is scaring the crap out of the Republicans for some reason.

No he's not. as a conservative/Republican I hope that Mamdani continues to get traction and attention in NY so on a national level, people can see the destructive effects of leftism and de-funding the police.

They are talking about denaturalizing and deporting him lol. He scares the crap out them.

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Anonymous wrote:Mamdami learned from the Democratic party failures in the 2024 presidential election. You have to listen to the young people.

The young people told Biden and Harris that if they didn't speak out against Israel, they wouldn't vote for them...and they did not vote for them.

Also, if you get on BlueSky and TikTok where most Gen Z and Millennials are communicating, you'll realize the young people have learned a valuable lesson: there are more of us than old people. If we band together and vote, we can get the candidate we want who will enact the policies we want. Older generations roll their eyes at millennials, but we are the most educated generation and also the generation with the least (in terms of wealth, real estate holdings, and kids). We are also one of the most well-traveled generations. We've been to other places in the world and seen how the citizens of other countries live better than us because of proper taxation of the wealthy and corporations. We have learned that we could have all that in the US if our government simply taxed the rich and corporations at appropriate rates.

Also, just for reference, because for some reason reason people on DCUM have it perpetually stuck in their heads that Gen Z are teenagers and Millennials are 20-somethings, here are the official age breakdowns:

Baby Boomers: 1946-1964 (ages 79-61)
Gen X: 1965-1980 (ages 60-45)
Millennials: 1981-1996 (ages 44-29)
Gen Z: 1997-2012 (ages 28-13)

I'm 43. I make more right now than both of my parents did combined at this age. I don't own a house. I live with a partner, but we are not married. We do not want kids because of the cost of everything. My parents owned a house, 2 cars, and took 3 kids on 2-3 vacations each year when they were in their 40s and they did that on the salaries of a tow truck driver and an office admin.

43 is not “young”. You are middle aged (as am I, also 43).

Your observations are generally correct and applicable to millennials (but not universal; I enjoy a much better standard of living than my parents did, I am married and I have 3 kids). ZM is not going to deliver a standard of living you seek, and, if his policy proposals are actually implemented, it will make your problems worse.

NP here. Do you not think there is an affordability and housing crisis in our country? That fact seems undeniable to me and should not be surprising given the energy of the occupy wall street movement over a decade ago and the growing inequality since then. So if there are problems with affordability/housing, why not try to some ideas? What I find refreshing about Mamdani is that he does not seem wed to ideology - listen to him talk about his grocery stores. It's one in each borough (which can be funded through existing city food programs) and he outright says if it doesn't work, then he will close them. Food deserts are a huge issue that the private sector has not tried so why not experiment with a public sector solution?

Read up on socialism. It is not something the US should "aspire" to.
Mamdani is a full blown socialist. Not a "democratic socialist," whatever the hell that is. (I don't believe it is a real thing - I believe that "democratic socialists" are actually thinly disguised socialists.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/socialism.asp

Essential Features
In a purely socialist system, all production and distribution decisions are made by the collective, directed by a central planner or government body. Worker cooperatives, however, are also a form of socialized production.

Socialist systems tend to have robust welfare systems and social safety nets so that individuals rely on the state for everything from food to healthcare. The government determines the output and pricing levels of these goods and services.

Socialists contend that shared ownership of resources and central planning provide a more equal distribution of goods and services and a more equitable society.

KEY TAKEAWAYS
Socialism is an economic and political system based on collective ownership of the means of production.
In a socialist system, all legal production and distribution decisions are made by the government. The government also determines all output and pricing levels and supplies its citizens with everything from food to healthcare.
Proponents of socialism believe that it leads to a more equal distribution of goods and services and a more equitable society.
Socialist ideals include production for use, rather than for profit; an equitable distribution of wealth and material resources among all people; no more competitive buying and selling in the market; and free access to goods and services.
Capitalism, with its belief in private ownership and the maximizing of profits, stands in contrast to socialism, but most capitalist economies today have some socialist aspects.

Socialist Countries
China
Cuba
Laos
North Korea
Vietnam

See also, Finland, Sweden, Finland, etc.

Social democracies.

Pure capitalism is Somalia.

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Anonymous wrote:White House press secretary. Leavitt indicates the administration is open to a denaturalization-oriented investigation against Zohran Mamdani

This is how you know they are not planning on there ever being another Presidential election in the US. They aren't worried about retaliation from another Admin coming in and doing the same thing to the Trump family members or to naturalized/birth-right GOP House and Senate members.

He is scaring the crap out of the Republicans for some reason.

No he's not. as a conservative/Republican I hope that Mamdani continues to get traction and attention in NY so on a national level, people can see the destructive effects of leftism and de-funding the police.

They are talking about denaturalizing and deporting him lol. He scares the crap out them.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:White House press secretary. Leavitt indicates the administration is open to a denaturalization-oriented investigation against Zohran Mamdani

This is how you know they are not planning on there ever being another Presidential election in the US. They aren't worried about retaliation from another Admin coming in and doing the same thing to the Trump family members or to naturalized/birth-right GOP House and Senate members.

He is scaring the crap out of the Republicans for some reason.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:White House press secretary. Leavitt indicates the administration is open to a denaturalization-oriented investigation against Zohran Mamdani

This is how you know they are not planning on there ever being another Presidential election in the US. They aren't worried about retaliation from another Admin coming in and doing the same thing to the Trump family members or to naturalized/birth-right GOP House and Senate members.

He is scaring the crap out of the Republicans for some reason.

No he's not. as a conservative/Republican I hope that Mamdani continues to get traction and attention in NY so on a national level, people can see the destructive effects of leftism and de-funding the police.