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Anonymous wrote:This is crazy. I read the statute and the complaint, and I don't think the behavior detailed in the complaint fits the statute. I'm sure it must violate child exploitation laws, but the statute cited doesn't seem to cover adults encouraging other adults to abuse children. Am I missing something? I hope he's behind bars for the rest of his life, so please don't misinterpret what I'm saying. And I know the FBI may find evidence of other things. I'm just talking about what was needed to get the arrest warrant.
-A lawyer

Wouldn’t this be similar to the woman who was arrested in Richmond? Although she meet the UC guy with the intent to abuse.

So. Are you saying that IF he was only talking about this topic with another adult and that was ALL he was doing - then he’s “innocent” ? Legally speaking? I still understand that he needs to be thoroughly investigated based on this and that exchanging pornography images of this topic is also illegal but they could discover that was the extent of his crime and it didn’t carry over to physical acts of sexual abuse on students at the schools. It would be good to learn that students were not touched by him physically.

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Anonymous wrote:This is crazy. I read the statute and the complaint, and I don't think the behavior detailed in the complaint fits the statute. I'm sure it must violate child exploitation laws, but the statute cited doesn't seem to cover adults encouraging other adults to abuse children. Am I missing something? I hope he's behind bars for the rest of his life, so please don't misinterpret what I'm saying. And I know the FBI may find evidence of other things. I'm just talking about what was needed to get the arrest warrant.
-A lawyer

So. Are you saying that IF he was only talking about this topic with another adult and that was ALL he was doing - then he’s “innocent” ? Legally speaking? I still understand that he needs noto be thoroughly investigated based on this and that exchanging pornography images of this topic is also illegal but they could discover that was the extent of his crime and it didn’t carry over to physical acts of sexual abuse on students at the schools. It would be good to learn that students were not touched by him physically.

I haven’t researched the child exploitation laws thoroughly, so can’t say whether that would violate a different law. I certainly hope it does, because it is despicable behavior beyond belief. But my reading of the statute cited by the DOJ is that his conduct doesn’t clearly fall within that statute. Would another lawyer on here please read it and the complaint and share your thoughts?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s crazy how people lose complete perspective in this area. It’s horrible this happened and everyone can agree on that, including NCRC, but to act like it’s this rampant problem with males in preschools isn’t true.
We have 3000 preschools in metro area, and lots of guys work at these schools. One or two cases, as evil as they were, does not mean that males shouldn’t work with children.
It’s not a common thing here, so get a grip, people.

One or two? You have no idea about what you are talking about.

What do you plan on doing when your child goes to Elementary school and lots of guys work there?

I make sure I chose a school that either never had this problem, or did but manage it perfectly fine and have a reputation to not put things under the rug. And I make sure they have a good policy, no hugs with teachers, nobody alone with a child…

Never that you know of. The school could either have had zero issues, which is what you see, or the school could have covered up every single one to make it invisible and it would appear the same to you. The latter is what my school did. It wasn’t that there was less abuse or no abuse, it was that it was covered up so well every single time.

THIS. Never voice any potential abuse to the school. You’ll REGRET it. Always go straight to the POLICE to report your concerns. They’ll decide how to proceed.

I guess this is why NCRC still hasn't commented on how to navigate the potential that our children are victims?

In all seriousness - why would NCRC parents need this spelled out them? It should be obvious.

The HOS is an extreme pervert.

He had access to your child in some capacity.

A logical next step is to start the difficult process of determining if your child was abused.

This is best handled by a pediatrician or the police, not the school who has little to no interest in abuse being uncovered. I don’t see what their role is.

Ok, self-appointed wise person who has no familiarity with NCRC: Tell us all about that access. Because, as most NCRC parents know, JC was generally in his office doing HOS stuff, while kids were in busy classrooms with multiple teachers. Kids are rarely alone with a single teacher, except some maybe for OT; kids are very, very rarely alone with the HOS.

I almost wonder if moving from classroom teacher to outplacement to HOS were self-protective moves on his part.

Please stop the BS! When a child was late. Mr. Eric usually took the child to the classroom, but if another child was also late, JC would take over. Some classrooms were on the ground floor and safe, while others were on the second floor—or even in the treetop class. Mr. Eric or JC would use the back door and take the stairs where nobody could see them.

Why do I feel like there is someone in this conversation who wants the worst case scenario to be true. Like they somehow resent all these private school families and are secretly glad this is happening. This site is full of such toxic hate.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s crazy how people lose complete perspective in this area. It’s horrible this happened and everyone can agree on that, including NCRC, but to act like it’s this rampant problem with males in preschools isn’t true.
We have 3000 preschools in metro area, and lots of guys work at these schools. One or two cases, as evil as they were, does not mean that males shouldn’t work with children.
It’s not a common thing here, so get a grip, people.

One or two? You have no idea about what you are talking about.

What do you plan on doing when your child goes to Elementary school and lots of guys work there?

I make sure I chose a school that either never had this problem, or did but manage it perfectly fine and have a reputation to not put things under the rug. And I make sure they have a good policy, no hugs with teachers, nobody alone with a child…

Never that you know of. The school could either have had zero issues, which is what you see, or the school could have covered up every single one to make it invisible and it would appear the same to you. The latter is what my school did. It wasn’t that there was less abuse or no abuse, it was that it was covered up so well every single time.

THIS. Never voice any potential abuse to the school. You’ll REGRET it. Always go straight to the POLICE to report your concerns. They’ll decide how to proceed.

I guess this is why NCRC still hasn't commented on how to navigate the potential that our children are victims?

In all seriousness - why would NCRC parents need this spelled out them? It should be obvious.

The HOS is an extreme pervert.

He had access to your child in some capacity.

A logical next step is to start the difficult process of determining if your child was abused.

This is best handled by a pediatrician or the police, not the school who has little to no interest in abuse being uncovered. I don’t see what their role is.

Ok, self-appointed wise person who has no familiarity with NCRC: Tell us all about that access. Because, as most NCRC parents know, JC was generally in his office doing HOS stuff, while kids were in busy classrooms with multiple teachers. Kids are rarely alone with a single teacher, except some maybe for OT; kids are very, very rarely alone with the HOS.

I almost wonder if moving from classroom teacher to outplacement to HOS were self-protective moves on his part.

Please stop the BS! When a child was late. Mr. Eric usually took the child to the classroom, but if another child was also late, JC would take over. Some classrooms were on the ground floor and safe, while others were on the second floor—or even in the treetop class. Mr. Eric or JC would use the back door and take the stairs where nobody could see them.

You think abuse was happening during 3 minutes on a stairwell that other people can use? I suppose it's possible, but seems highly unlikely to me.

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Anonymous wrote:This is crazy. I read the statute and the complaint, and I don't think the behavior detailed in the complaint fits the statute. I'm sure it must violate child exploitation laws, but the statute cited doesn't seem to cover adults encouraging other adults to abuse children. Am I missing something? I hope he's behind bars for the rest of his life, so please don't misinterpret what I'm saying. And I know the FBI may find evidence of other things. I'm just talking about what was needed to get the arrest warrant.
-A lawyer

So. Are you saying that IF he was only talking about this topic with another adult and that was ALL he was doing - then he’s “innocent” ? Legally speaking? I still understand that he needs noto be thoroughly investigated based on this and that exchanging pornography images of this topic is also illegal but they could discover that was the extent of his crime and it didn’t carry over to physical acts of sexual abuse on students at the schools. It would be good to learn that students were not touched by him physically.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s crazy how people lose complete perspective in this area. It’s horrible this happened and everyone can agree on that, including NCRC, but to act like it’s this rampant problem with males in preschools isn’t true.
We have 3000 preschools in metro area, and lots of guys work at these schools. One or two cases, as evil as they were, does not mean that males shouldn’t work with children.
It’s not a common thing here, so get a grip, people.

One or two? You have no idea about what you are talking about.

What do you plan on doing when your child goes to Elementary school and lots of guys work there?

I make sure I chose a school that either never had this problem, or did but manage it perfectly fine and have a reputation to not put things under the rug. And I make sure they have a good policy, no hugs with teachers, nobody alone with a child…

Never that you know of. The school could either have had zero issues, which is what you see, or the school could have covered up every single one to make it invisible and it would appear the same to you. The latter is what my school did. It wasn’t that there was less abuse or no abuse, it was that it was covered up so well every single time.

THIS. Never voice any potential abuse to the school. You’ll REGRET it. Always go straight to the POLICE to report your concerns. They’ll decide how to proceed.

I guess this is why NCRC still hasn't commented on how to navigate the potential that our children are victims?

In all seriousness - why would NCRC parents need this spelled out them? It should be obvious.

The HOS is an extreme pervert.

He had access to your child in some capacity.

A logical next step is to start the difficult process of determining if your child was abused.

This is best handled by a pediatrician or the police, not the school who has little to no interest in abuse being uncovered. I don’t see what their role is.

Ok, self-appointed wise person who has no familiarity with NCRC: Tell us all about that access. Because, as most NCRC parents know, JC was generally in his office doing HOS stuff, while kids were in busy classrooms with multiple teachers. Kids are rarely alone with a single teacher, except some maybe for OT; kids are very, very rarely alone with the HOS.

I almost wonder if moving from classroom teacher to outplacement to HOS were self-protective moves on his part.

Please stop the BS! When a child was late. Mr. Eric usually took the child to the classroom, but if another child was also late, JC would take over. Some classrooms were on the ground floor and safe, while others were on the second floor—or even in the treetop class. Mr. Eric or JC would use the back door and take the stairs where nobody could see them.

You think abuse was happening during 3 minutes on a stairwell that other people can use? I suppose it's possible, but seems highly unlikely to me.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s crazy how people lose complete perspective in this area. It’s horrible this happened and everyone can agree on that, including NCRC, but to act like it’s this rampant problem with males in preschools isn’t true.
We have 3000 preschools in metro area, and lots of guys work at these schools. One or two cases, as evil as they were, does not mean that males shouldn’t work with children.
It’s not a common thing here, so get a grip, people.

One or two? You have no idea about what you are talking about.

What do you plan on doing when your child goes to Elementary school and lots of guys work there?

I make sure I chose a school that either never had this problem, or did but manage it perfectly fine and have a reputation to not put things under the rug. And I make sure they have a good policy, no hugs with teachers, nobody alone with a child…

Never that you know of. The school could either have had zero issues, which is what you see, or the school could have covered up every single one to make it invisible and it would appear the same to you. The latter is what my school did. It wasn’t that there was less abuse or no abuse, it was that it was covered up so well every single time.

THIS. Never voice any potential abuse to the school. You’ll REGRET it. Always go straight to the POLICE to report your concerns. They’ll decide how to proceed.

I guess this is why NCRC still hasn't commented on how to navigate the potential that our children are victims?

In all seriousness - why would NCRC parents need this spelled out them? It should be obvious.

The HOS is an extreme pervert.

He had access to your child in some capacity.

A logical next step is to start the difficult process of determining if your child was abused.

This is best handled by a pediatrician or the police, not the school who has little to no interest in abuse being uncovered. I don’t see what their role is.

Ok, self-appointed wise person who has no familiarity with NCRC: Tell us all about that access. Because, as most NCRC parents know, JC was generally in his office doing HOS stuff, while kids were in busy classrooms with multiple teachers. Kids are rarely alone with a single teacher, except some maybe for OT; kids are very, very rarely alone with the HOS.

I almost wonder if moving from classroom teacher to outplacement to HOS were self-protective moves on his part.

Please stop the BS! When a child was late. Mr. Eric usually took the child to the classroom, but if another child was also late, JC would take over. Some classrooms were on the ground floor and safe, while others were on the second floor—or even in the treetop class. Mr. Eric or JC would use the back door and take the stairs where nobody could see them.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s crazy how people lose complete perspective in this area. It’s horrible this happened and everyone can agree on that, including NCRC, but to act like it’s this rampant problem with males in preschools isn’t true.
We have 3000 preschools in metro area, and lots of guys work at these schools. One or two cases, as evil as they were, does not mean that males shouldn’t work with children.
It’s not a common thing here, so get a grip, people.

One or two? You have no idea about what you are talking about.

What do you plan on doing when your child goes to Elementary school and lots of guys work there?

I make sure I chose a school that either never had this problem, or did but manage it perfectly fine and have a reputation to not put things under the rug. And I make sure they have a good policy, no hugs with teachers, nobody alone with a child…

Never that you know of. The school could either have had zero issues, which is what you see, or the school could have covered up every single one to make it invisible and it would appear the same to you. The latter is what my school did. It wasn’t that there was less abuse or no abuse, it was that it was covered up so well every single time.

THIS. Never voice any potential abuse to the school. You’ll REGRET it. Always go straight to the POLICE to report your concerns. They’ll decide how to proceed.

I guess this is why NCRC still hasn't commented on how to navigate the potential that our children are victims?

In all seriousness - why would NCRC parents need this spelled out them? It should be obvious.

The HOS is an extreme pervert.

He had access to your child in some capacity.

A logical next step is to start the difficult process of determining if your child was abused.

This is best handled by a pediatrician or the police, not the school who has little to no interest in abuse being uncovered. I don’t see what their role is.

DP. Hopefully an outside counselor will be available to all students there to do screenings. Maybe an outside counselor NOT found by NCRC but they pay the cost or something like that? I would think he had little interaction with the kids alone as the HOS. Wishful thinking maybe but that would be my thoughts that he was not given many opportunities. I would assume the teachers there would be asked if he ever was alone with kids and if so when and where and in what capacity and go from there...

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Anonymous wrote:It’s crazy how people lose complete perspective in this area. It’s horrible this happened and everyone can agree on that, including NCRC, but to act like it’s this rampant problem with males in preschools isn’t true.
We have 3000 preschools in metro area, and lots of guys work at these schools. One or two cases, as evil as they were, does not mean that males shouldn’t work with children.
It’s not a common thing here, so get a grip, people.

One or two? You have no idea about what you are talking about.

What do you plan on doing when your child goes to Elementary school and lots of guys work there?

I make sure I chose a school that either never had this problem, or did but manage it perfectly fine and have a reputation to not put things under the rug. And I make sure they have a good policy, no hugs with teachers, nobody alone with a child…

Never that you know of. The school could either have had zero issues, which is what you see, or the school could have covered up every single one to make it invisible and it would appear the same to you. The latter is what my school did. It wasn’t that there was less abuse or no abuse, it was that it was covered up so well every single time.

THIS. Never voice any potential abuse to the school. You’ll REGRET it. Always go straight to the POLICE to report your concerns. They’ll decide how to proceed.

I guess this is why NCRC still hasn't commented on how to navigate the potential that our children are victims?

In all seriousness - why would NCRC parents need this spelled out them? It should be obvious.

The HOS is an extreme pervert.

He had access to your child in some capacity.

A logical next step is to start the difficult process of determining if your child was abused.

This is best handled by a pediatrician or the police, not the school who has little to no interest in abuse being uncovered. I don’t see what their role is.

Ok, self-appointed wise person who has no familiarity with NCRC: Tell us all about that access. Because, as most NCRC parents know, JC was generally in his office doing HOS stuff, while kids were in busy classrooms with multiple teachers. Kids are rarely alone with a single teacher, except some maybe for OT; kids are very, very rarely alone with the HOS.

I almost wonder if moving from classroom teacher to outplacement to HOS were self-protective moves on his part.

Please stop the BS! When a child was late. Mr. Eric usually took the child to the classroom, but if another child was also late, JC would take over. Some classrooms were on the ground floor and safe, while others were on the second floor—or even in the treetop class. Mr. Eric or JC would use the back door and take the stairs where nobody could see them.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s crazy how people lose complete perspective in this area. It’s horrible this happened and everyone can agree on that, including NCRC, but to act like it’s this rampant problem with males in preschools isn’t true.
We have 3000 preschools in metro area, and lots of guys work at these schools. One or two cases, as evil as they were, does not mean that males shouldn’t work with children.
It’s not a common thing here, so get a grip, people.

One or two? You have no idea about what you are talking about.

What do you plan on doing when your child goes to Elementary school and lots of guys work there?

I make sure I chose a school that either never had this problem, or did but manage it perfectly fine and have a reputation to not put things under the rug. And I make sure they have a good policy, no hugs with teachers, nobody alone with a child…

Never that you know of. The school could either have had zero issues, which is what you see, or the school could have covered up every single one to make it invisible and it would appear the same to you. The latter is what my school did. It wasn’t that there was less abuse or no abuse, it was that it was covered up so well every single time.

THIS. Never voice any potential abuse to the school. You’ll REGRET it. Always go straight to the POLICE to report your concerns. They’ll decide how to proceed.

I guess this is why NCRC still hasn't commented on how to navigate the potential that our children are victims?

In all seriousness - why would NCRC parents need this spelled out them? It should be obvious.

The HOS is an extreme pervert.

He had access to your child in some capacity.

A logical next step is to start the difficult process of determining if your child was abused.

This is best handled by a pediatrician or the police, not the school who has little to no interest in abuse being uncovered. I don’t see what their role is.

Ok, self-appointed wise person who has no familiarity with NCRC: Tell us all about that access. Because, as most NCRC parents know, JC was generally in his office doing HOS stuff, while kids were in busy classrooms with multiple teachers. Kids are rarely alone with a single teacher, except some maybe for OT; kids are very, very rarely alone with the HOS.

I almost wonder if moving from classroom teacher to outplacement to HOS were self-protective moves on his part.

Anonymous wrote:This is crazy. I read the statute and the complaint, and I don't think the behavior detailed in the complaint fits the statute. I'm sure it must violate child exploitation laws, but the statute cited doesn't seem to cover adults encouraging other adults to abuse children. Am I missing something? I hope he's behind bars for the rest of his life, so please don't misinterpret what I'm saying. And I know the FBI may find evidence of other things. I'm just talking about what was needed to get the arrest warrant.
-A lawyer

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Anonymous wrote:It’s crazy how people lose complete perspective in this area. It’s horrible this happened and everyone can agree on that, including NCRC, but to act like it’s this rampant problem with males in preschools isn’t true.
We have 3000 preschools in metro area, and lots of guys work at these schools. One or two cases, as evil as they were, does not mean that males shouldn’t work with children.
It’s not a common thing here, so get a grip, people.

One or two? You have no idea about what you are talking about.

What do you plan on doing when your child goes to Elementary school and lots of guys work there?

I make sure I chose a school that either never had this problem, or did but manage it perfectly fine and have a reputation to not put things under the rug. And I make sure they have a good policy, no hugs with teachers, nobody alone with a child…

Never that you know of. The school could either have had zero issues, which is what you see, or the school could have covered up every single one to make it invisible and it would appear the same to you. The latter is what my school did. It wasn’t that there was less abuse or no abuse, it was that it was covered up so well every single time.

THIS. Never voice any potential abuse to the school. You’ll REGRET it. Always go straight to the POLICE to report your concerns. They’ll decide how to proceed.

I guess this is why NCRC still hasn't commented on how to navigate the potential that our children are victims?

In all seriousness - why would NCRC parents need this spelled out them? It should be obvious.

The HOS is an extreme pervert.

He had access to your child in some capacity.

A logical next step is to start the difficult process of determining if your child was abused.

This is best handled by a pediatrician or the police, not the school who has little to no interest in abuse being uncovered. I don’t see what their role is.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone thinking that a known predator didn’t abuse children when he had the opportunity is delusional. Educate yourselves.

It is possible he did not ever touch children and that his activities were limited to only be online or elsewhere. Someone or a kid would’ve said something by now.

Seriously, please educate yourself.
Or are you the troll on this thread spewing misinformation?

You are not nice. I am not a troll. I am a parent to kids at a school he was at and we talk to our kids openly and often about this sort of thing and they would have told us if something happened. I am hoping that is the case for all. Bug off. Btw You’re the one with the misinformation there are many online predators that do not take their actions in person thankfully… I am hoping for all this was one of those cases.

Jeff posted about this earlier, but there is some basis for hoping/believing this to be the case. In the affidavit, the UC agent asks if he has carried out any of these acts in real life and he says no, would be great, but no.

I posted this earlier, hoping/believing this to be the case as well and I was attacked by so many people on this board saying that I was minimizing the crime. And somehow being selfish for not wanting my kids to be the ones who had been touched by this monster. I said the same thing, and I was attacked for hoping that it was only an online activity, and that somehow I was ignorant and not understanding that abuse was still happening to innocent victims because of his online activity.