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Anonymous wrote:Obese and overweight women are hungrier than their naturally thin counterparts. I have witnessed my overweight friends eating habits over the years and I can definitely see how they eat more because they are physically hungry. It’s no real accomplishment for me to be at a healthy weight when I am not hungry for more than my body requires. People need some humility and stop thinking that overweight people are needlessly eating food they are not hungry for.

I wouldn't generalize on that. I am obese (5'7" and 245). I gained about 80 lbs in the past 6 years. This was definitely not the case for me. I am an emotional eater to the max (for both good and bad feelings). Bad day at work? Maybe a drive through McD's on the way home will help. Need a little something to get me pumped up for a big presentation? Stop at Starbucks and get a treat on the way to work. Big accomplishment? Let's go out for ice cream! I have never been diagnosed with binge eating disorder but I do see many signs of it in myself- eating when not hungry, eating even when physically full, eating as a way to cope with difficult emotions. It is not really that I'm physically hungry when I load up on crap, it is generally a coping mechanism. Food fills a void for a LOT of people, myself included! And I am humble enough to admit that!

I understand, but it’s what I‘m trying to explain: naturally thin people don‘t face those urges to overeat to that degree. Imagine that every time you felt the urge to eat like that, someone handed you a cigarette and said this will help. That’s how smokers feel. Same with gambling addictions or whatever, people who don’t feel the urge to binge might think it’s as easy as eating smaller portions when the lived experience of obese people is quite different from thin or healthy-weight individuals.

Well said.

I think the shocking results from Wegovy demonstrate this point well.

I was on trulicity and lost nothing. Doc wanted me to try trulicity before thyroid meds because my thyroid was borderline. Lost 0 on trulicity. Have lost 10lbs since my recent dose increase from thyroid and I am still not at an optimal dose. I sleep better, have more energy to work out, and most importantly, because of sleep and better habits, I dont emotionally eat as much. I was never ending hungry and tired and a huge push for me was sugar carbs and coffee. I would crash no matter my food intake so at least the sugar gave me a quick high/rush. My body temp has raised by almost a degree in 8 months.
I 100% have missed social events because of judgement. A lot of people see it as a moral failing or that I am lazy or whatever the case may be. The only people who have ever understood the absolutely bone-tired exhaustion I felt for the past few years (that was always blamed on depression because if you are obese you must be depressed or vice versa) are people with chronic health conditions, especially auto immune. There is no day of feeling good; a good day is where you dont feel bad.

Can you tell me more about these thyroid medicines you are on? I'm on a very low dose of ty=hyroxine. I wonder if I should up the dose as I feel super sleepy in the afternoon, interfering with working out/work/ life.

Anonymous wrote:This article really spoke to me. I am in my 40s and my parents live in Europe. I see them once a year. 3 months or so before seeing them, I starve myself because I don’t want to deal with “you will get diabetes, you gained weight, you make enough to have a personal trainer, you have such a beautiful face if only your body was in better shape”. This cycle has been going on for almost 25 year since I left for college and moved away. I am realizing that a lot of my weight problems stem from the fact that I lose a lot to appease my parents and then regain more once I don’t see them.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s carbs both junk and not. I gained weight during the pandemic from baking bread , baking new cakes and making homemade pasta. Nothing processed, all from scratch.

Sit down restaurants are also a huge problem including your cool local restaurants where your entree alone that you think is so healthy is really your entires day worth of calories. A lot of the trendy plant based meals are insanely high in carbs but because it’s woke, they think it can’t make you fat. It can and does.
Family potlucks loaded with potato filled casseroles or Mexican fiestas loaded with corn tortillas, rice, beans or Indian holidays loaded with breads and rice are all problematic.

Chefs, home cooks and trendy recipe creators are all seeking flavor and experience. This leads to not just high fat but high carbs that give you a dopamine kick making you want more.

If you want to not be fat, you have to avoid all that not live in a fantasy world that it just the food industry and some fool is going to save you from it.

Cakes are by their very nature a processed food. General rule for food substances is if you don't dig them out of the ground or pluck them from trees, fish them out of the sea or hunt them in the field - then they're processed. Cooking is process, mixing fats and sugars is process. Etc.

It's obvious that PP meant not highly processed.

All cakes are highly processed.

Hahahaha. Sara Lee Pound Cake ingredients: Eggs, Enriched Bleached Flour (Wheat Flour, Niacin, Iron, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Sugar, Butter (Cream, Salt), High Fructose Corn Syrup, Mono- and Diglycerides. Contains 2% or Less of Each of the Following: Water, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Baking Soda, Monocalcium Phosphate), Corn Starch, Salt, Milk Protein Concentrate, Modified Corn Starch, Guar Gum, Xanthan Gum, Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate, Vanillin (Artificial Flavor), Annatto (Color), Soy Flour.

NTY Poundcake recipe: Butter, Sugar, Flour, Eggs, Vanilla, Heavy Whipping Cream.

Do you now see the difference?

Sadly I do and if someone on a diet thinks that a pound of butter mixed with sugar, cream and other diary is going to be in any way healthy or low in calories just speaks volumes about everything that is wrong with this country.

I would, by far, prefer that my children eat a cake baked by themselves to a cake baked by Sara Lee.
1) no preservatives
2) they see how much work it takes
3) it tastes FAR better!
4) great activity

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Anonymous wrote:Obese and overweight women are hungrier than their naturally thin counterparts. I have witnessed my overweight friends eating habits over the years and I can definitely see how they eat more because they are physically hungry. It’s no real accomplishment for me to be at a healthy weight when I am not hungry for more than my body requires. People need some humility and stop thinking that overweight people are needlessly eating food they are not hungry for.

I wouldn't generalize on that. I am obese (5'7" and 245). I gained about 80 lbs in the past 6 years. This was definitely not the case for me. I am an emotional eater to the max (for both good and bad feelings). Bad day at work? Maybe a drive through McD's on the way home will help. Need a little something to get me pumped up for a big presentation? Stop at Starbucks and get a treat on the way to work. Big accomplishment? Let's go out for ice cream! I have never been diagnosed with binge eating disorder but I do see many signs of it in myself- eating when not hungry, eating even when physically full, eating as a way to cope with difficult emotions. It is not really that I'm physically hungry when I load up on crap, it is generally a coping mechanism. Food fills a void for a LOT of people, myself included! And I am humble enough to admit that!

I understand, but it’s what I‘m trying to explain: naturally thin people don‘t face those urges to overeat to that degree. Imagine that every time you felt the urge to eat like that, someone handed you a cigarette and said this will help. That’s how smokers feel. Same with gambling addictions or whatever, people who don’t feel the urge to binge might think it’s as easy as eating smaller portions when the lived experience of obese people is quite different from thin or healthy-weight individuals.

Well said.

I think the shocking results from Wegovy demonstrate this point well.

I was on trulicity and lost nothing. Doc wanted me to try trulicity before thyroid meds because my thyroid was borderline. Lost 0 on trulicity. Have lost 10lbs since my recent dose increase from thyroid and I am still not at an optimal dose. I sleep better, have more energy to work out, and most importantly, because of sleep and better habits, I dont emotionally eat as much. I was never ending hungry and tired and a huge push for me was sugar carbs and coffee. I would crash no matter my food intake so at least the sugar gave me a quick high/rush. My body temp has raised by almost a degree in 8 months.
I 100% have missed social events because of judgement. A lot of people see it as a moral failing or that I am lazy or whatever the case may be. The only people who have ever understood the absolutely bone-tired exhaustion I felt for the past few years (that was always blamed on depression because if you are obese you must be depressed or vice versa) are people with chronic health conditions, especially auto immune. There is no day of feeling good; a good day is where you dont feel bad.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s carbs both junk and not. I gained weight during the pandemic from baking bread , baking new cakes and making homemade pasta. Nothing processed, all from scratch.

Sit down restaurants are also a huge problem including your cool local restaurants where your entree alone that you think is so healthy is really your entires day worth of calories. A lot of the trendy plant based meals are insanely high in carbs but because it’s woke, they think it can’t make you fat. It can and does.
Family potlucks loaded with potato filled casseroles or Mexican fiestas loaded with corn tortillas, rice, beans or Indian holidays loaded with breads and rice are all problematic.

Chefs, home cooks and trendy recipe creators are all seeking flavor and experience. This leads to not just high fat but high carbs that give you a dopamine kick making you want more.

If you want to not be fat, you have to avoid all that not live in a fantasy world that it just the food industry and some fool is going to save you from it.

Cakes are by their very nature a processed food. General rule for food substances is if you don't dig them out of the ground or pluck them from trees, fish them out of the sea or hunt them in the field - then they're processed. Cooking is process, mixing fats and sugars is process. Etc.

It's obvious that PP meant not highly processed.

All cakes are highly processed.

Hahahaha. Sara Lee Pound Cake ingredients: Eggs, Enriched Bleached Flour (Wheat Flour, Niacin, Iron, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Sugar, Butter (Cream, Salt), High Fructose Corn Syrup, Mono- and Diglycerides. Contains 2% or Less of Each of the Following: Water, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Baking Soda, Monocalcium Phosphate), Corn Starch, Salt, Milk Protein Concentrate, Modified Corn Starch, Guar Gum, Xanthan Gum, Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate, Vanillin (Artificial Flavor), Annatto (Color), Soy Flour.

NTY Poundcake recipe: Butter, Sugar, Flour, Eggs, Vanilla, Heavy Whipping Cream.

Do you now see the difference?

Sadly I do and if someone on a diet thinks that a pound of butter mixed with sugar, cream and other diary is going to be in any way healthy or low in calories just speaks volumes about everything that is wrong with this country.

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Anonymous wrote:The Washington Post just published an editorial on a new scientific theory about weight gain that is fascinating, and pretty supportive of the material in the original article from this thread: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/28/obesity-carbohydrates-insulin-calories-fat/

In particular, this:

"This is a different model of obesity, the carbohydrate-insulin model. This theory puts the blame for rising levels of obesity on the processed, fast-digesting carbs that flooded our diets during the low-fat diet craze — white bread, white rice, prepared breakfast cereals, potato products and sugary foods. It posits that consumption of these carbohydrates raises insulin levels too high and produces other hormonal changes that program our body to store extra fat.

Looked at this way, obesity isn’t an overeating problem, it’s a calorie distribution problem — too many calories from each meal being siphoned off into fat tissue and too few remaining in the blood to satisfy the energy needs of the body. Consequently, our brains make us feel hungrier sooner after eating to compensate for those sequestered calories. If we try to ignore hunger and restrict calories, the body conserves energy by slowing metabolism. In this sense, obesity is a state of starvation amid plenty."

It’s not just highly processed carbs though. It’s all carbs. The highly processed stuff is just more prevalent. I’ve been maintaining my weight and adding back in things like baked potato, sweet potatoes, brown rice or whole wheat bread will bring my weight back up too. To maintain my weight I still need to just get my carbs from low or lower carb veggies and fruit like spinach, cabbage, lettuce, tomatoes, peppers, zucchini, asparagus, raspberries, strawberries etc.

DP. I was glad to read the WaPo article which confirms my personal experience (posted on another thread). I’ve been eating around 1000 calories a day without feeling hungry by cutting out all carbs except only enough high fiber/lo carb foods to get about 25-40 grams of fiber. I combine that with high protein and it has totally minimized my appetite. I lost 15 pounds and do not have any cravings or real hunger. Before starting this diet, I ate everything and would be insatiably hungry even when I had already eaten a lot.

What are some examples of the high fiber low carb foods you are eating?

How old are you? Male or female?

Anonymous wrote:A trainer I worked with says when people start eating closer to a 40-30-30 ratio of protein, fat, and carbs, they almost always improve their bloodwork to where they’re no longer pre-diabetic. If you can’t truly be low carb, try moderate carb, it might be effective enough to get the health benefits.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s carbs both junk and not. I gained weight during the pandemic from baking bread , baking new cakes and making homemade pasta. Nothing processed, all from scratch.

Sit down restaurants are also a huge problem including your cool local restaurants where your entree alone that you think is so healthy is really your entires day worth of calories. A lot of the trendy plant based meals are insanely high in carbs but because it’s woke, they think it can’t make you fat. It can and does.
Family potlucks loaded with potato filled casseroles or Mexican fiestas loaded with corn tortillas, rice, beans or Indian holidays loaded with breads and rice are all problematic.

Chefs, home cooks and trendy recipe creators are all seeking flavor and experience. This leads to not just high fat but high carbs that give you a dopamine kick making you want more.

If you want to not be fat, you have to avoid all that not live in a fantasy world that it just the food industry and some fool is going to save you from it.

Cakes are by their very nature a processed food. General rule for food substances is if you don't dig them out of the ground or pluck them from trees, fish them out of the sea or hunt them in the field - then they're processed. Cooking is process, mixing fats and sugars is process. Etc.

It's obvious that PP meant not highly processed.

All cakes are highly processed.

Hahahaha. Sara Lee Pound Cake ingredients: Eggs, Enriched Bleached Flour (Wheat Flour, Niacin, Iron, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Sugar, Butter (Cream, Salt), High Fructose Corn Syrup, Mono- and Diglycerides. Contains 2% or Less of Each of the Following: Water, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Baking Soda, Monocalcium Phosphate), Corn Starch, Salt, Milk Protein Concentrate, Modified Corn Starch, Guar Gum, Xanthan Gum, Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate, Vanillin (Artificial Flavor), Annatto (Color), Soy Flour.

NTY Poundcake recipe: Butter, Sugar, Flour, Eggs, Vanilla, Heavy Whipping Cream.

Do you now see the difference?

Sadly I do and if someone on a diet thinks that a pound of butter mixed with sugar, cream and other diary is going to be in any way healthy or low in calories just speaks volumes about everything that is wrong with this country.

Are you obtuse? Of course no one is saying that you're going to stay thin by eating an entire poundcake. But, you have to wonder what we are doing to our bodies if we feed ourselves these artificial chemicals for decades and decades. And this was in response to the PP who seemed to not get the difference between highly processed food vs "processed" (i.e., made in our own kitchens) foods.

Do you make the butter? The sugar? That is one of the most highly processed ingredients. You are a complete dolt.

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Anonymous wrote:The Washington Post just published an editorial on a new scientific theory about weight gain that is fascinating, and pretty supportive of the material in the original article from this thread: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/28/obesity-carbohydrates-insulin-calories-fat/

In particular, this:

"This is a different model of obesity, the carbohydrate-insulin model. This theory puts the blame for rising levels of obesity on the processed, fast-digesting carbs that flooded our diets during the low-fat diet craze — white bread, white rice, prepared breakfast cereals, potato products and sugary foods. It posits that consumption of these carbohydrates raises insulin levels too high and produces other hormonal changes that program our body to store extra fat.

Looked at this way, obesity isn’t an overeating problem, it’s a calorie distribution problem — too many calories from each meal being siphoned off into fat tissue and too few remaining in the blood to satisfy the energy needs of the body. Consequently, our brains make us feel hungrier sooner after eating to compensate for those sequestered calories. If we try to ignore hunger and restrict calories, the body conserves energy by slowing metabolism. In this sense, obesity is a state of starvation amid plenty."

It’s not just highly processed carbs though. It’s all carbs. The highly processed stuff is just more prevalent. I’ve been maintaining my weight and adding back in things like baked potato, sweet potatoes, brown rice or whole wheat bread will bring my weight back up too. To maintain my weight I still need to just get my carbs from low or lower carb veggies and fruit like spinach, cabbage, lettuce, tomatoes, peppers, zucchini, asparagus, raspberries, strawberries etc.

No, it isn't all carbs - we've known for years that different types of carbs affect our blood sugar in different ways (see the glycemic index). The theory here is that certain carbs - including most highly processed foods - are what messes with insulin and other hormones. And then of *everything* you eat, more is stored as fat than is necessary. And once those hormones are out of whack, they may never go back, which is why all carbs cause you to gain weight. But its only certain carbs that trigger the changes to begin with.

Good point. I would add that the other culprit in highly processed carbs are the fake highly processed seed oils. The way they are created is toxic and they are toxic to our bodies. Soybean and canola oil in particular and they are in everything processed even whole wheat bread. I think it will come out in the near future that these toxic oils are really messing with our hormones too. Think about it- the oils created to give food longer shelf life is not hurting our bodies???

Think back to the 60's and 70's and long before when these highly processed foods weren't everywhere, there was not this much obesity. And people did not exercise as much as they do today! It's so much more than people not having control.

And yes, too much sugar and fructose is a big problem.

BUT I'd also add that in past generations when animal fats like butter and lard were more prevalent and we ate a balanced diet including meat, vegetables, starches like potatoes and fruits we were healthier too. And going too low fat in addition to creating these toxic oils was the perfect storm. But I'm sure that will make most people's heads here explode.

Lifespans were lower then, too.

Nah. The blue zones, the longest lived people, eat lots of carbs and oils - but the right oils. They also eat lots of fiber, and overall low calorie and/or low calorie density diet.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s carbs both junk and not. I gained weight during the pandemic from baking bread , baking new cakes and making homemade pasta. Nothing processed, all from scratch.

Sit down restaurants are also a huge problem including your cool local restaurants where your entree alone that you think is so healthy is really your entires day worth of calories. A lot of the trendy plant based meals are insanely high in carbs but because it’s woke, they think it can’t make you fat. It can and does.
Family potlucks loaded with potato filled casseroles or Mexican fiestas loaded with corn tortillas, rice, beans or Indian holidays loaded with breads and rice are all problematic.

Chefs, home cooks and trendy recipe creators are all seeking flavor and experience. This leads to not just high fat but high carbs that give you a dopamine kick making you want more.

If you want to not be fat, you have to avoid all that not live in a fantasy world that it just the food industry and some fool is going to save you from it.

Cakes are by their very nature a processed food. General rule for food substances is if you don't dig them out of the ground or pluck them from trees, fish them out of the sea or hunt them in the field - then they're processed. Cooking is process, mixing fats and sugars is process. Etc.

It's obvious that PP meant not highly processed.

All cakes are highly processed.

Hahahaha. Sara Lee Pound Cake ingredients: Eggs, Enriched Bleached Flour (Wheat Flour, Niacin, Iron, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Sugar, Butter (Cream, Salt), High Fructose Corn Syrup, Mono- and Diglycerides. Contains 2% or Less of Each of the Following: Water, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Baking Soda, Monocalcium Phosphate), Corn Starch, Salt, Milk Protein Concentrate, Modified Corn Starch, Guar Gum, Xanthan Gum, Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate, Vanillin (Artificial Flavor), Annatto (Color), Soy Flour.

NTY Poundcake recipe: Butter, Sugar, Flour, Eggs, Vanilla, Heavy Whipping Cream.

Do you now see the difference?

Sadly I do and if someone on a diet thinks that a pound of butter mixed with sugar, cream and other diary is going to be in any way healthy or low in calories just speaks volumes about everything that is wrong with this country.

Are you obtuse? Of course no one is saying that you're going to stay thin by eating an entire poundcake. But, you have to wonder what we are doing to our bodies if we feed ourselves these artificial chemicals for decades and decades. And this was in response to the PP who seemed to not get the difference between highly processed food vs "processed" (i.e., made in our own kitchens) foods.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s carbs both junk and not. I gained weight during the pandemic from baking bread , baking new cakes and making homemade pasta. Nothing processed, all from scratch.

Sit down restaurants are also a huge problem including your cool local restaurants where your entree alone that you think is so healthy is really your entires day worth of calories. A lot of the trendy plant based meals are insanely high in carbs but because it’s woke, they think it can’t make you fat. It can and does.
Family potlucks loaded with potato filled casseroles or Mexican fiestas loaded with corn tortillas, rice, beans or Indian holidays loaded with breads and rice are all problematic.

Chefs, home cooks and trendy recipe creators are all seeking flavor and experience. This leads to not just high fat but high carbs that give you a dopamine kick making you want more.

If you want to not be fat, you have to avoid all that not live in a fantasy world that it just the food industry and some fool is going to save you from it.

Cakes are by their very nature a processed food. General rule for food substances is if you don't dig them out of the ground or pluck them from trees, fish them out of the sea or hunt them in the field - then they're processed. Cooking is process, mixing fats and sugars is process. Etc.

It's obvious that PP meant not highly processed.

All cakes are highly processed.

Hahahaha. Sara Lee Pound Cake ingredients: Eggs, Enriched Bleached Flour (Wheat Flour, Niacin, Iron, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Sugar, Butter (Cream, Salt), High Fructose Corn Syrup, Mono- and Diglycerides. Contains 2% or Less of Each of the Following: Water, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Baking Soda, Monocalcium Phosphate), Corn Starch, Salt, Milk Protein Concentrate, Modified Corn Starch, Guar Gum, Xanthan Gum, Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate, Vanillin (Artificial Flavor), Annatto (Color), Soy Flour.

NTY Poundcake recipe: Butter, Sugar, Flour, Eggs, Vanilla, Heavy Whipping Cream.

Do you now see the difference?

Sadly I do and if someone on a diet thinks that a pound of butter mixed with sugar, cream and other diary is going to be in any way healthy or low in calories just speaks volumes about everything that is wrong with this country.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It’s carbs both junk and not. I gained weight during the pandemic from baking bread , baking new cakes and making homemade pasta. Nothing processed, all from scratch.

Sit down restaurants are also a huge problem including your cool local restaurants where your entree alone that you think is so healthy is really your entires day worth of calories. A lot of the trendy plant based meals are insanely high in carbs but because it’s woke, they think it can’t make you fat. It can and does.
Family potlucks loaded with potato filled casseroles or Mexican fiestas loaded with corn tortillas, rice, beans or Indian holidays loaded with breads and rice are all problematic.

Chefs, home cooks and trendy recipe creators are all seeking flavor and experience. This leads to not just high fat but high carbs that give you a dopamine kick making you want more.

If you want to not be fat, you have to avoid all that not live in a fantasy world that it just the food industry and some fool is going to save you from it.

Cakes are by their very nature a processed food. General rule for food substances is if you don't dig them out of the ground or pluck them from trees, fish them out of the sea or hunt them in the field - then they're processed. Cooking is process, mixing fats and sugars is process. Etc.

It's obvious that PP meant not highly processed.

All cakes are highly processed.

Hahahaha. Sara Lee Pound Cake ingredients: Eggs, Enriched Bleached Flour (Wheat Flour, Niacin, Iron, Thiamin Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Sugar, Butter (Cream, Salt), High Fructose Corn Syrup, Mono- and Diglycerides. Contains 2% or Less of Each of the Following: Water, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Baking Soda, Monocalcium Phosphate), Corn Starch, Salt, Milk Protein Concentrate, Modified Corn Starch, Guar Gum, Xanthan Gum, Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate, Vanillin (Artificial Flavor), Annatto (Color), Soy Flour.

NTY Poundcake recipe: Butter, Sugar, Flour, Eggs, Vanilla, Heavy Whipping Cream.

Do you now see the difference?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s carbs both junk and not. I gained weight during the pandemic from baking bread , baking new cakes and making homemade pasta. Nothing processed, all from scratch.

Sit down restaurants are also a huge problem including your cool local restaurants where your entree alone that you think is so healthy is really your entires day worth of calories. A lot of the trendy plant based meals are insanely high in carbs but because it’s woke, they think it can’t make you fat. It can and does.
Family potlucks loaded with potato filled casseroles or Mexican fiestas loaded with corn tortillas, rice, beans or Indian holidays loaded with breads and rice are all problematic.

Chefs, home cooks and trendy recipe creators are all seeking flavor and experience. This leads to not just high fat but high carbs that give you a dopamine kick making you want more.

If you want to not be fat, you have to avoid all that not live in a fantasy world that it just the food industry and some fool is going to save you from it.

Cakes are by their very nature a processed food. General rule for food substances is if you don't dig them out of the ground or pluck them from trees, fish them out of the sea or hunt them in the field - then they're processed. Cooking is process, mixing fats and sugars is process. Etc.

It's obvious that PP meant not highly processed.

All cakes are highly processed.

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Yes, most people can lose weight by limiting carbs, but it is just not sustainable for the vast majority of us. Most cultures have a bread product that their populace finds essential.