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Anonymous wrote:Man, den of vipers sounds about right:

He's been mass blocking kidneygate account followers, which now includes a number of journos and nonfiction writers but the litfic crowd is almost uniformly steering clear of the evidence.

This is what a "serious" writer does all day? I wonder why nepotistic lit cliques, bullying, and plagiarism are such sensitive topics for him.

I don't understand why the HR and employment aspects of the this aren't getting more traction.

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I just got around to reading the article, and while I feel for Dawn and everything she's been through... I could not stop thinking about the fact that she reached out to the people in the Facebook group she created (to praise her kidney donation) to ask them why they weren't liking her posts more?

Yeah, so that was needy and showed poor boundaries and is not great social media behavior.
But that’s also all it was: Socially awkward.
It was not bullying, it was not wholesale lying, it was not plagiarism.

- Dawn defender

Again this is completely inaccurate. Completely. How many times are we going to do this in this thread?

Sorry, which part is inaccurate?

All of it.

She didn’t ask why she wasn’t liking the posts - she saw that Sonya was reading everything by FB metrics auto-displayed for her, and Larson was the only person doing this without otherwise interacting/saying anything, and at this point, Sonya was also acting like she barely remembered Dorland donated the kidney.

This aspect is under-remarked upon, and in Dawn's email regarding that she shows a remarkable amount of grace and restraint in the face of the weirdness of it, Sonya's "your donation totally slipped my mind, dear, good on you" routine when Dawn knew very well that she was getting her constant fix of all available kidney updates.

I think it really was this. At first glance, it seems weird to ask someone, "hey, why are you on my page all the time but never comment?" But, Sonya was writing a story on this and plagiarizing the letter. I am betting Sonya was on that page checking things out a LOT, like way more than would be normal for a casual viewer. If that's the case, coupled with Sonya acting like it "totally slipped her mind" I don't think it's that weird at all that Dawn would be like, "hey, so you check my page like 10-15 times a day, but you never say anything about it to me. Why is that?" I'm guessing maybe Sonya wasn't aware that Dawn could see her activity there and her activity was outside the norm.

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I just got around to reading the article, and while I feel for Dawn and everything she's been through... I could not stop thinking about the fact that she reached out to the people in the Facebook group she created (to praise her kidney donation) to ask them why they weren't liking her posts more?

Yeah, so that was needy and showed poor boundaries and is not great social media behavior.
But that’s also all it was: Socially awkward.
It was not bullying, it was not wholesale lying, it was not plagiarism.

- Dawn defender

Not sure of it is as weird as people make it out to be.

It was a small private FB group that Dawn was the moderator of-- so she could who visited, lurked, posted etc. -- and she saw that SL was on their all the time yet did not comment. So she asked her about it. Maybe a little extra, but can you really not relate? It's a small group that she said very clearly there was no pressure to join, only if you are interested. So her "friend" joins and visits all the time and never likes or posts.

It wasn’t extra in the slightest. You have to read the court documents. It was a small group of 30-40 trusted friends who Dawn assumed were interested in, and with whom she felt comfortable sharing, her most personal posts about the donation. From the Facebook analytics, she could tell that Sonya was reading the posts, but not commenting on them, at all. Sounds like Sonya was the only lurker. Dawn reached out with a very non-extra email to ask Sonya if she wanted to continue on as a member of the group. She noted that some of her friends had been weirded out by the donation and totally understood if Sonya was not interested in the level of detail she was sharing. Sonya could have graciously exited at that point, but stayed so she could mine Dawn’s posts for use in her story and for lulz with her other morally bankrupt Grub Street friends.

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I just got around to reading the article, and while I feel for Dawn and everything she's been through... I could not stop thinking about the fact that she reached out to the people in the Facebook group she created (to praise her kidney donation) to ask them why they weren't liking her posts more?

Yeah, so that was needy and showed poor boundaries and is not great social media behavior.
But that’s also all it was: Socially awkward.
It was not bullying, it was not wholesale lying, it was not plagiarism.

- Dawn defender

Again this is completely inaccurate. Completely. How many times are we going to do this in this thread?

Sorry, which part is inaccurate?

All of it.

She didn’t ask why she wasn’t liking the posts - she saw that Sonya was reading everything by FB metrics auto-displayed for her, and Larson was the only person doing this without otherwise interacting/saying anything, and at this point, Sonya was also acting like she barely remembered Dorland donated the kidney.

This aspect is under-remarked upon, and in Dawn's email regarding that she shows a remarkable amount of grace and restraint in the face of the weirdness of it, Sonya's "your donation totally slipped my mind, dear, good on you" routine when Dawn knew very well that she was getting her constant fix of all available kidney updates.

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I just got around to reading the article, and while I feel for Dawn and everything she's been through... I could not stop thinking about the fact that she reached out to the people in the Facebook group she created (to praise her kidney donation) to ask them why they weren't liking her posts more?

Yeah, so that was needy and showed poor boundaries and is not great social media behavior.
But that’s also all it was: Socially awkward.
It was not bullying, it was not wholesale lying, it was not plagiarism.

- Dawn defender

Not sure of it is as weird as people make it out to be.

It was a small private FB group that Dawn was the moderator of-- so she could who visited, lurked, posted etc. -- and she saw that SL was on their all the time yet did not comment. So she asked her about it. Maybe a little extra, but can you really not relate? It's a small group that she said very clearly there was no pressure to join, only if you are interested. So her "friend" joins and visits all the time and never likes or posts.

Read everything, copied a letter verbatim while also misinterpreting the intended recipient, downloading all of this to the people Larson wanted to impress, while lying all the way, and publishing a story with the verbatim letter. She also copyrighted, she initiated actual litigation, and she and her doofus lawyer have about how Sonya had a baby and give her a break etc etc when Dawn had a toddler at home.

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I just got around to reading the article, and while I feel for Dawn and everything she's been through... I could not stop thinking about the fact that she reached out to the people in the Facebook group she created (to praise her kidney donation) to ask them why they weren't liking her posts more?

Yeah, so that was needy and showed poor boundaries and is not great social media behavior.
But that’s also all it was: Socially awkward.
It was not bullying, it was not wholesale lying, it was not plagiarism.

- Dawn defender

Not sure of it is as weird as people make it out to be.

It was a small private FB group that Dawn was the moderator of-- so she could who visited, lurked, posted etc. -- and she saw that SL was on their all the time yet did not comment. So she asked her about it. Maybe a little extra, but can you really not relate? It's a small group that she said very clearly there was no pressure to join, only if you are interested. So her "friend" joins and visits all the time and never likes or posts.

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Anyone want to tell her that it's not just a black person being singled out? White people are calling out the actions of white people, too. This Piper blog is nailing them all. And it has nothing to do about race.

https://piperbookblog.com/bad-art-friend-author-becky-tuch-apologizes-and-leaves-chunky-monkeys-writing-group/
https://piperbookblog.com/bad-art-friend-alison-murphy-chunky-monkeys-member-is-a-big-problem-for-grubstreet-writers-organization/
https://piperbookblog.com/author-christopher-castellani-vows-to-exact-revenge-on-fellow-writer-and-grubstreet-instructor/

I think if you really cared about Black people you would not be mocking kidney donors. I have CKD, and am very familiar with this community of people who need kidney transplants -- sadly AA are 3x more likely to get kidney disease than White people. The make up are are more than 35% of people on dialysis. (Asians also have elevated rates of kidney disease.)

Anonymous wrote:I am delighted that the hottest topic at the moment is bad art friend (nuanced and varied takes/ changing opinions being discussed.

This is so refreshing from the usual Harry/ Megan gossip/ arguing over most prestigious colleges/ or obvious crimes.

This is an actual ethical and philosophical thread! The social media angels must be singing the hallalujah chorus …

Well, we’ll all always have that! We aren’t talking lax or Bennifer… 😍

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I just got around to reading the article, and while I feel for Dawn and everything she's been through... I could not stop thinking about the fact that she reached out to the people in the Facebook group she created (to praise her kidney donation) to ask them why they weren't liking her posts more?

Yeah, so that was needy and showed poor boundaries and is not great social media behavior.
But that’s also all it was: Socially awkward.
It was not bullying, it was not wholesale lying, it was not plagiarism.

- Dawn defender

Again this is completely inaccurate. Completely. How many times are we going to do this in this thread?

Lol. It’s not. Even when I am being gaslight and lied to, I don’t send FB messages asking someone to explain or offer insight or clarify. But I am cold — I cut losses, i block, i ghost — and yes I am a creative who has had work outright stolen. Dawn is open and seeking; her concerns are and were legitimate. I said I was on her team and that Sonya was a lying plagiarizing baddie.

The post said there was no plagiarism and it’s not clear to me at all that Dawn is the one with bad boundaries.

No lie, I admire what you’re calling “coldness” because on the other hand, she who just pays things dust must live in a peaceful state of mind. And I admire that.

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I just got around to reading the article, and while I feel for Dawn and everything she's been through... I could not stop thinking about the fact that she reached out to the people in the Facebook group she created (to praise her kidney donation) to ask them why they weren't liking her posts more?

Yeah, so that was needy and showed poor boundaries and is not great social media behavior.
But that’s also all it was: Socially awkward.
It was not bullying, it was not wholesale lying, it was not plagiarism.

- Dawn defender

Again this is completely inaccurate. Completely. How many times are we going to do this in this thread?

Sorry, which part is inaccurate?

All of it.

She didn’t ask why she wasn’t liking the posts - she saw that Sonya was reading everything by FB metrics auto-displayed for her, and Larson was the only person doing this without otherwise interacting/saying anything, and at this point, Sonya was also acting like she barely remembered Dorland donated the kidney.

Larson and the Grubs in Chunky Monkey were in the equivalent of HR and upper management when they were shit-talking, including talks about siccing writers of color on her, and calling her a pestilence. This included people who investigate HR complaints.

Courtney Milan who of course clerked for the 9th circuit’s greatest nightmare, and writes romance, explained part of the MAD element of the lawsuit, but several lawyers who specialize in these kinds of claims contend it meets every definition of plagiarism.

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I just got around to reading the article, and while I feel for Dawn and everything she's been through... I could not stop thinking about the fact that she reached out to the people in the Facebook group she created (to praise her kidney donation) to ask them why they weren't liking her posts more?

Yeah, so that was needy and showed poor boundaries and is not great social media behavior.
But that’s also all it was: Socially awkward.
It was not bullying, it was not wholesale lying, it was not plagiarism.

- Dawn defender

Again this is completely inaccurate. Completely. How many times are we going to do this in this thread?

Sorry, which part is inaccurate?

Anonymous wrote:I am delighted that the hottest topic at the moment is bad art friend (nuanced and varied takes/ changing opinions being discussed.

This is so refreshing from the usual Harry/ Megan gossip/ arguing over most prestigious colleges/ or obvious crimes.

This is an actual ethical and philosophical thread! The social media angels must be singing the hallalujah chorus …

Another angel has gotten it's metaphorical wings... 👼

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I just got around to reading the article, and while I feel for Dawn and everything she's been through... I could not stop thinking about the fact that she reached out to the people in the Facebook group she created (to praise her kidney donation) to ask them why they weren't liking her posts more?

Yeah, so that was needy and showed poor boundaries and is not great social media behavior.
But that’s also all it was: Socially awkward.
It was not bullying, it was not wholesale lying, it was not plagiarism.

- Dawn defender

Again this is completely inaccurate. Completely. How many times are we going to do this in this thread?

Lol. It’s not. Even when I am being gaslight and lied to, I don’t send FB messages asking someone to explain or offer insight or clarify. But I am cold — I cut losses, i block, i ghost — and yes I am a creative who has had work outright stolen. Dawn is open and seeking; her concerns are and were legitimate. I said I was on her team and that Sonya was a lying plagiarizing baddie.

I am delighted that the hottest topic at the moment is bad art friend (nuanced and varied takes/ changing opinions being discussed.

This is so refreshing from the usual Harry/ Megan gossip/ arguing over most prestigious colleges/ or obvious crimes.

This is an actual ethical and philosophical thread! The social media angels must be singing the hallalujah chorus …