Anonymous
02/16/2018 15:50
Subject: Re:Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Must read:
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/geoff-cameron-what-must-change-in-u-s-soccer/
"If you want to see what’s wrong with U.S. Soccer in a single image, just go out to one of these fancy suburbs some weekend and spot the coaches of the fancy club teams strutting on the sidelines. Half of them are carrying themselves like they’re Pep Guardiola. I mean, the arrogance. It’s unbelievable. "
Yes, a thousand times over. Coaches that think they're amazing because they have a high license and win tournaments.
All while joysitcking their players the entire game, guaranteeing they won't learn how to think for themselves, or to play creatively.
And the club coach at U14 that told he would never make it as a pro because he was too small. What a douche.
He turned out 6’4”! Priceless. A lot of normal boys don’t hit growth spurt until 16-18.
That's such BS, I'm sorry to hear. Other than a couple of our players, my team is the smaller one on the field around 90% of the time and we routinely beat the bigger teams on headers, 50/50 balls, bodying, and overall tackling. As a country we tend to place far too much emphasis on size and speed, when the key attribute we should be looking for is technical ability.
Why are you arguing the point when you are agreeing that physicality is too much of an issue? Read the article. That's what Geoff is saying and really your anecdotal evidence about a single team in an area with hundreds of them really doesn't wash.
Geoff is correct in saying US players need to be going to Europe. Period. MLS doesn't do it, DA doesn't do it.
I quote:
"It has nothing to do with athleticism or size — attributes that the scouts and coaches in U.S. Soccer seem obsessed with sometimes. I remember the first time I trained with Bojan Krki? at Stoke. He’s listed at like 5? 7?, but he looked more like 4? 10?. And the guy was just an absolute animal out there. He’d made it through the Barcelona system at that size. I remember thinking to myself, What would’ve happened if he had come up in U.S. Soccer?
I’ll never forget a club coach telling me, when I was maybe 14 years old, that I would never make it as a pro because I was “too small.”
(I grew to be 6? 4?.)
But this is the mentality that is so toxic across the board in youth soccer in America. It’s not about proving yourself every day. It’s about what you did last year. It’s about who you know. It’s about your size. It’s about your reputation. It’s about what fancy youth club you play for. "
yep. It's such a political bunch of nonsense run by the elite capitalizing on parents that will pay these Guardiola-wannabes.
Anonymous
02/16/2018 15:46
Subject: Re:Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Must read:
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/geoff-cameron-what-must-change-in-u-s-soccer/
"If you want to see what’s wrong with U.S. Soccer in a single image, just go out to one of these fancy suburbs some weekend and spot the coaches of the fancy club teams strutting on the sidelines. Half of them are carrying themselves like they’re Pep Guardiola. I mean, the arrogance. It’s unbelievable. "
Yes, a thousand times over. Coaches that think they're amazing because they have a high license and win tournaments.
All while joysitcking their players the entire game, guaranteeing they won't learn how to think for themselves, or to play creatively.
And the club coach at U14 that told he would never make it as a pro because he was too small. What a douche.
He turned out 6’4”! Priceless. A lot of normal boys don’t hit growth spurt until 16-18.
That's such BS, I'm sorry to hear. Other than a couple of our players, my team is the smaller one on the field around 90% of the time and we routinely beat the bigger teams on headers, 50/50 balls, bodying, and overall tackling. As a country we tend to place far too much emphasis on size and speed, when the key attribute we should be looking for is technical ability.
Why are you arguing the point when you are agreeing that physicality is too much of an issue? Read the article. That's what Geoff is saying and really your anecdotal evidence about a single team in an area with hundreds of them really doesn't wash.
Geoff is correct in saying US players need to be going to Europe. Period. MLS doesn't do it, DA doesn't do it.
Anonymous
02/16/2018 15:46
Subject: Re:Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Must read:
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/geoff-cameron-what-must-change-in-u-s-soccer/
"If you want to see what’s wrong with U.S. Soccer in a single image, just go out to one of these fancy suburbs some weekend and spot the coaches of the fancy club teams strutting on the sidelines. Half of them are carrying themselves like they’re Pep Guardiola. I mean, the arrogance. It’s unbelievable. "
Yes, a thousand times over. Coaches that think they're amazing because they have a high license and win tournaments.
All while joysitcking their players the entire game, guaranteeing they won't learn how to think for themselves, or to play creatively.
And the club coach at U14 that told he would never make it as a pro because he was too small. What a douche.
He turned out 6’4”! Priceless. A lot of normal boys don’t hit growth spurt until 16-18.
Why are you arguing the point when you are agreeing that physicality is too much of an issue? Read the article. That's what Geoff is saying and really your anecdotal evidence about a single team in an area with hundreds of them really doesn't wash.
Geoff is correct in saying US players need to be going to Europe. Period. MLS doesn't do it, DA doesn't do it.
That's such BS, I'm sorry to hear. Other than a couple of our players, my team is the smaller one on the field around 90% of the time and we routinely beat the bigger teams on headers, 50/50 balls, bodying, and overall tackling. As a country we tend to place far too much emphasis on size and speed, when the key attribute we should be looking for is technical ability.
Anonymous
02/16/2018 15:32
Subject: Re:Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Must read:
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/geoff-cameron-what-must-change-in-u-s-soccer/
"If you want to see what’s wrong with U.S. Soccer in a single image, just go out to one of these fancy suburbs some weekend and spot the coaches of the fancy club teams strutting on the sidelines. Half of them are carrying themselves like they’re Pep Guardiola. I mean, the arrogance. It’s unbelievable. "
Yes, a thousand times over. Coaches that think they're amazing because they have a high license and win tournaments.
All while joysitcking their players the entire game, guaranteeing they won't learn how to think for themselves, or to play creatively.
And the club coach at U14 that told he would never make it as a pro because he was too small. What a douche.
He turned out 6’4”! Priceless. A lot of normal boys don’t hit growth spurt until 16-18.
That's such BS, I'm sorry to hear. Other than a couple of our players, my team is the smaller one on the field around 90% of the time and we routinely beat the bigger teams on headers, 50/50 balls, bodying, and overall tackling. As a country we tend to place far too much emphasis on size and speed, when the key attribute we should be looking for is technical ability.
Anonymous
02/16/2018 15:14
Subject: Re:Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Must read:
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/geoff-cameron-what-must-change-in-u-s-soccer/
"If you want to see what’s wrong with U.S. Soccer in a single image, just go out to one of these fancy suburbs some weekend and spot the coaches of the fancy club teams strutting on the sidelines. Half of them are carrying themselves like they’re Pep Guardiola. I mean, the arrogance. It’s unbelievable. "
Yes, a thousand times over. Coaches that think they're amazing because they have a high license and win tournaments.
All while joysitcking their players the entire game, guaranteeing they won't learn how to think for themselves, or to play creatively.
And the club coach at U14 that told he would never make it as a pro because he was too small. What a douche.
He turned out 6’4”! Priceless. A lot of normal boys don’t hit growth spurt until 16-18.
Anonymous
02/16/2018 14:41
Subject: Re:Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:Must read:
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/geoff-cameron-what-must-change-in-u-s-soccer/
"If you want to see what’s wrong with U.S. Soccer in a single image, just go out to one of these fancy suburbs some weekend and spot the coaches of the fancy club teams strutting on the sidelines. Half of them are carrying themselves like they’re Pep Guardiola. I mean, the arrogance. It’s unbelievable. "
Yes, a thousand times over. Coaches that think they're amazing because they have a high license and win tournaments.
All while joysitcking their players the entire game, guaranteeing they won't learn how to think for themselves, or to play creatively.
Anonymous
02/16/2018 11:34
Subject: Re:Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous
02/16/2018 11:22
Subject: Re:Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Someone was asking about McLean's U12 boys DA....Apparently, the Board agreed to terminate the program for next year based on the consensus of the technical staff.
Well this is very frustrating to be honest. MY DS will be trying out for U9 this spring with mclean being (was?) the preferred club. He is a good player but have no way if he will be a DA player. It just sucks that option wont be available. How many more times will mclean go for DA. Was hoping for a nice transition from mclean juniors to travel to DA by U12
Now will have to seriously consider Arlington...
At U9 you don’t need to worry about 4 years from now. Wrong focus. I wouldn’t even do pre-DA U12-14.
Look for the best coach/training in a conducive training environment without crazies.
Would you mind telling us why not to do DA u12-14. The PP has a legitimate concern for planning purposes. How harder would it be for a newcomer to go to a new club come DA u12 as opposed to being with the same club and having the coaches know the players skill set come tryouts for DA. I believe that the best training in travel is offered by DA coaches anyways. That’s the point right?
No, DA is just as much a career ladder as others believe it is for their children. The aim is to get these players scouted for college, if they stumble upon a good player, their hope is the player is such a high potential player that they are taken by a European club, or the player has strong dreams of playing pro and will be willing to delay/skip college and play for a MLS pro team. If strong club's A team were to practice 4 days a week, I'm pretty sure they could compete with a DA team.
If you are talking boys, don't be ridiculous. There are soooo few soccer scholarships. 9 total for the entire 4 years at even big universities (not 9 per incoming class). There are 16-18 kids or so on a team. If the upper classmen have them that means they might be able to split one scholarship in teeny tiny parts for incoming freshmen. Even better, the schools are not always academically sound. This is the most idiotic crap I hear from boy soccer parents. Your kid will not get a scholarship and the amount you spend on travel/DA and driving and flying all over the US won't matter.
Next, training sucks for the most part all over the US---yes, DA too. The post mentioned being taken by a European club---I just fell out of my chair laughing. The only chance a kid has for that to happen is to head to Europe by 12-years old. Let's all be real. European coaches certainly aren't scouting US DA programs.
Wake-up.
Anonymous
02/15/2018 22:48
Subject: Re:Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Someone was asking about McLean's U12 boys DA....Apparently, the Board agreed to terminate the program for next year based on the consensus of the technical staff.
Well this is very frustrating to be honest. MY DS will be trying out for U9 this spring with mclean being (was?) the preferred club. He is a good player but have no way if he will be a DA player. It just sucks that option wont be available. How many more times will mclean go for DA. Was hoping for a nice transition from mclean juniors to travel to DA by U12
Now will have to seriously consider Arlington...
At U9 you don’t need to worry about 4 years from now. Wrong focus. I wouldn’t even do pre-DA U12-14.
Look for the best coach/training in a conducive training environment without crazies.
Would you mind telling us why not to do DA u12-14. The PP has a legitimate concern for planning purposes. How harder would it be for a newcomer to go to a new club come DA u12 as opposed to being with the same club and having the coaches know the players skill set come tryouts for DA. I believe that the best training in travel is offered by DA coaches anyways. That’s the point right?
No, DA is just as much a career ladder as others believe it is for their children. The aim is to get these players scouted for college, if they stumble upon a good player, their hope is the player is such a high potential player that they are taken by a European club, or the player has strong dreams of playing pro and will be willing to delay/skip college and play for a MLS pro team. If strong club's A team were to practice 4 days a week, I'm pretty sure they could compete with a DA team.
^^^^^
Anonymous
02/15/2018 22:34
Subject: Re:Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Someone was asking about McLean's U12 boys DA....Apparently, the Board agreed to terminate the program for next year based on the consensus of the technical staff.
Well this is very frustrating to be honest. MY DS will be trying out for U9 this spring with mclean being (was?) the preferred club. He is a good player but have no way if he will be a DA player. It just sucks that option wont be available. How many more times will mclean go for DA. Was hoping for a nice transition from mclean juniors to travel to DA by U12
Now will have to seriously consider Arlington...
At U9 you don’t need to worry about 4 years from now. Wrong focus. I wouldn’t even do pre-DA U12-14.
Look for the best coach/training in a conducive training environment without crazies.
Would you mind telling us why not to do DA u12-14. The PP has a legitimate concern for planning purposes. How harder would it be for a newcomer to go to a new club come DA u12 as opposed to being with the same club and having the coaches know the players skill set come tryouts for DA. I believe that the best training in travel is offered by DA coaches anyways. That’s the point right?
No, DA is just as much a career ladder as others believe it is for their children. The aim is to get these players scouted for college, if they stumble upon a good player, their hope is the player is such a high potential player that they are taken by a European club, or the player has strong dreams of playing pro and will be willing to delay/skip college and play for a MLS pro team. If strong club's A team were to practice 4 days a week, I'm pretty sure they could compete with a DA team.
Anonymous
02/15/2018 20:45
Subject: Re:Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's pretty hard to forecast what the best option will be from year to year these days. Seems like every season for the past four there have been major changes to the landscape that cause people to re-evaluate each year. It sounds like MYS will have ECNL for boys (probably all ages) to replace that one year DA program.
So McLean may join BRYC in ECNL? I question the value of Boys ECNL for these clubs versus CCL - a lot more travel for what exactly?
But if McLean joins BRYC, what would Arlington and Loudoun do?
The Boys ECNL divisions will be getting geographically smaller for next year. Look for a decent expansion of clubs to be announced soon.
Anonymous
02/15/2018 20:41
Subject: Re:Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Someone was asking about McLean's U12 boys DA....Apparently, the Board agreed to terminate the program for next year based on the consensus of the technical staff.
Well this is very frustrating to be honest. MY DS will be trying out for U9 this spring with mclean being (was?) the preferred club. He is a good player but have no way if he will be a DA player. It just sucks that option wont be available. How many more times will mclean go for DA. Was hoping for a nice transition from mclean juniors to travel to DA by U12
Now will have to seriously consider Arlington...
At U9 you don’t need to worry about 4 years from now. Wrong focus. I wouldn’t even do pre-DA U12-14.
Look for the best coach/training in a conducive training environment without crazies.
Would you mind telling us why not to do DA u12-14. The PP has a legitimate concern for planning purposes. How harder would it be for a newcomer to go to a new club come DA u12 as opposed to being with the same club and having the coaches know the players skill set come tryouts for DA. I believe that the best training in travel is offered by DA coaches anyways. That’s the point right?
Anonymous
02/15/2018 20:17
Subject: Re:Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Someone was asking about McLean's U12 boys DA....Apparently, the Board agreed to terminate the program for next year based on the consensus of the technical staff.
Well this is very frustrating to be honest. MY DS will be trying out for U9 this spring with mclean being (was?) the preferred club. He is a good player but have no way if he will be a DA player. It just sucks that option wont be available. How many more times will mclean go for DA. Was hoping for a nice transition from mclean juniors to travel to DA by U12
Now will have to seriously consider Arlington...
At U9 you don’t need to worry about 4 years from now. Wrong focus. I wouldn’t even do pre-DA U12-14.
Look for the best coach/training in a conducive training environment without crazies.
Anonymous
02/15/2018 18:45
Subject: Re:Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:
It's pretty hard to forecast what the best option will be from year to year these days. Seems like every season for the past four there have been major changes to the landscape that cause people to re-evaluate each year. It sounds like MYS will have ECNL for boys (probably all ages) to replace that one year DA program.
So McLean may join BRYC in ECNL? I question the value of Boys ECNL for these clubs versus CCL - a lot more travel for what exactly?
But if McLean joins BRYC, what would Arlington and Loudoun do?
Anonymous
02/15/2018 18:38
Subject: Re:Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Someone was asking about McLean's U12 boys DA....Apparently, the Board agreed to terminate the program for next year based on the consensus of the technical staff.
Well this is very frustrating to be honest. MY DS will be trying out for U9 this spring with mclean being (was?) the preferred club. He is a good player but have no way if he will be a DA player. It just sucks that option wont be available. How many more times will mclean go for DA. Was hoping for a nice transition from mclean juniors to travel to DA by U12
Now will have to seriously consider Arlington...
It's pretty hard to forecast what the best option will be from year to year these days. Seems like every season for the past four there have been major changes to the landscape that cause people to re-evaluate each year. It sounds like MYS will have ECNL for boys (probably all ages) to replace that one year DA program.
I would be really unhappy if my club decided to put their top boys' teams in ECNL. The travel is ridiculous because there aren't enough teams and I doubt you will get college exposure better than you would in the National league. This could change over time if boys' ECNL takes off, but it seems unlikely to me.