Anonymous
Post 06/09/2016 18:30     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
It would appear that she is a major alcoholic too. Not only was her BAC quite high (.24 is very very high) but she not only passed out but blacked out.

Passed out drunk is what normal people do.

Black out drunk is what serious alcoholics do. And by her own admission, this was not the first time she was blackout drunk.

So, based upon what many many posters to this site have said on many many occasions, she is a liar and nothing she says can be believed. Or is that only when it's your spouse (DH) who is the alcoholic?

Perhaps this was one of the many things the PO looked at when he/she wrote the pre-sentencing report recommending 6 months.

Obviously something wrong happened and Brock needs to be punished. What is appropriate, though, is a different question. And it seems that all things being equal, it is reasonable to follow the recommendation of the governmental authority that is charged with determining what an appropriate sentence is in accordance with the ends that the state establishes (punishment, retribution, rehabilitation, prevention of recidivism) rather than following the desire of the prosecution, whose only job is to secure convictions and vengeance.

Whatever. She needs rehab. I hope she gets it or she will find herself in a similarly bad situation. Or dead.
Anonymous
Post 06/09/2016 18:28     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just read that prospective jurors are refusing to serve under Judge Persky, the Judge who gave the 6 month sentence:

http://jezebel.com/prospective-jurors-refuse-to-serve-under-aaron-persky-1781618871


People who think they're righteous are so annoying. The judge did nothing wrong. Attacking him is ignorant.


I actually think that sentencing him to being on the sex offender's list for the rest of his life is worse than the time he'll spend in jail. It also serves to trivialize that list in a way that is very dangerous.


It's not a lifetime sentence. He will get off it in time.
Anonymous
Post 06/09/2016 18:26     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just read that prospective jurors are refusing to serve under Judge Persky, the Judge who gave the 6 month sentence:

http://jezebel.com/prospective-jurors-refuse-to-serve-under-aaron-persky-1781618871


People who think they're righteous are so annoying. The judge did nothing wrong. Attacking him is ignorant.


I actually think that sentencing him to being on the sex offender's list for the rest of his life is worse than the time he'll spend in jail. It also serves to trivialize that list in a way that is very dangerous.
Anonymous
Post 06/09/2016 18:26     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hate to say this, but it doesn't seem like rape to me either. It seems like it was a party hook-up by two drunken idiots that went off the rails. He fingered her according to him, with her consent. There was no PIV.


This is silly. In what universe do 2 people have consensual sex behind a dumpster, and then when people come up on you, the first instinct is to RUN LIKE HELL and leave a naked girl behind? Clearly he knew he was doing something wrong. He was scared to death of being caught because he knew he was raping a girl.

He was cool with leaving her behind, half naked with 2 dudes on a bike, in the middle of the night.

But it was just the alcohol right? Right.


If they went behind that dumpster and had the impression that they couldn't be seen...I can see how the guy would have ran if he heard two guys yelling at him and coming at him.

Why did they go behind the dumpster? Probably because that is where they could have privacy. Couldn't go back to his dorm (dorm rules? roommate?) and they sure as heck couldn't go back to her parents' house. Couldn't afford a hotel room. No car. So behind the dumpster it was.

They were both drunk off their arses, she passed out and the swedes came along and saw him humping a passed out girl. The cops were call...and things snowballed into a trial. That is my guess.


Mine as well. I would not have convicted.

Same here. Feel like I'm missing something because for life of me do not understand the outrage over his sentence. Only outrageous thing to me is that he has to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life. That is ridiculous.
Anonymous
Post 06/09/2016 18:23     Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:It's weird, other than this thread it seems like there is pretty national consensus on this.

CNN devoted over 20 minutes to having Ashley Banfield read the victim's letter IN ITS ENTIRETY on the air. Live. Over 20 minutes of airtime. That in itself generated a ton of press.

The Today Show (and I imagine other morning shows), has devoted a ton of time to this. Today they were reading texts of Brock during high school and college showing what a druggie he was! And what a partier. They also reported that his high school guidance counselor rescinded her letter of support for him and released a statement that he should be held accountable. Ironic that the press is going through his past - that is usually reserved for the woman so that is an interesting twist of progress.

Obviously many of the press outlets have printed the letter out in full - which in a world full of tweets and headlines, is kind of amazing.

DH and I both WFH today and during lunch I turned on the TV and was flipping through CNN and MSNBC, both of them was covering the story again with legal analysts and my DH remarked, I get this is a big story, but it must be a slow news day for them to be doing more extensive coverage of this.

And don't get me started on my Facebook feed....man.

I predict his parents will move out of their small town. I'm betting that as time passes, Emily Doe will come forward like the Central Park rape victim did to tell her story.


He was a partner. What was she, a defenseless antelope?
Anonymous
Post 06/09/2016 18:23     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just read that prospective jurors are refusing to serve under Judge Persky, the Judge who gave the 6 month sentence:

http://jezebel.com/prospective-jurors-refuse-to-serve-under-aaron-persky-1781618871


You aren't seriously citing Jezebel for anything other than a ridiculous rag are you?


Are you saying it's not true?

Does this make you feel better?

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_29997198/judge-aaron-persky-prospective-jurors-refuse-serve
Anonymous
Post 06/09/2016 18:22     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Joining the thread late, but to those who are defending BAT would you have sexual contact (with your penis inside the body or your fingers inside the vagina/anus) with your wife if she was passed out?


timing is everything. If I was fooling around with my wife, and during the fingering she passed out, it might take me more than a few minutes for my drunken brain to realize that if I was fingering away.


Cool. You've explained that part. Now tell us in what circumstances you would need to go behind a dumpster with your wife for this to occur.

Thanks.


I'm not a drunk college student. I certainly did hook up with girls outside at parties back then. That is what drunk people do. The problem here is alcohol, not sexual violence. The guy on Capitol Hill is a violent rapist, this guy Turner is an alcoholic.[/quote]

FWIW, he's probably not an alcoholic. However, he's an underage drinker.
According to the court documents, his blood alcohol level was twice over the limit, while her was three times over the limit, so it's fair to say she was way more drunk than he was and he was taking advantage of her.


eh, no. She was an experienced drinker who didn't realize that her tolerance had dropped since her party animal days. He was a 19 year old 1st year student.....Sorry, experience was on her end.
Anonymous
Post 06/09/2016 18:22     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Just read that prospective jurors are refusing to serve under Judge Persky, the Judge who gave the 6 month sentence:

http://jezebel.com/prospective-jurors-refuse-to-serve-under-aaron-persky-1781618871


People who think they're righteous are so annoying. The judge did nothing wrong. Attacking him is ignorant.
Anonymous
Post 06/09/2016 18:21     Subject: Re:That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
It's weird, other than this thread it seems like there is pretty national consensus on this.

CNN devoted over 20 minutes to having Ashley Banfield read the victim's letter IN ITS ENTIRETY on the air. Live. Over 20 minutes of airtime. That in itself generated a ton of press.

The Today Show (and I imagine other morning shows), has devoted a ton of time to this. Today they were reading texts of Brock during high school and college showing what a druggie he was! And what a partier. They also reported that his high school guidance counselor rescinded her letter of support for him and released a statement that he should be held accountable. Ironic that the press is going through his past - that is usually reserved for the woman so that is an interesting twist of progress.

Obviously many of the press outlets have printed the letter out in full - which in a world full of tweets and headlines, is kind of amazing.

DH and I both WFH today and during lunch I turned on the TV and was flipping through CNN and MSNBC, both of them was covering the story again with legal analysts and my DH remarked, I get this is a big story, but it must be a slow news day for them to be doing more extensive coverage of this.

And don't get me started on my Facebook feed....man.

I predict his parents will move out of their small town. I'm betting that as time passes, Emily Doe will come forward like the Central Park rape victim did to tell her story.
Anonymous
Post 06/09/2016 18:20     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:Just read that prospective jurors are refusing to serve under Judge Persky, the Judge who gave the 6 month sentence:

http://jezebel.com/prospective-jurors-refuse-to-serve-under-aaron-persky-1781618871


You aren't seriously citing Jezebel for anything other than a ridiculous rag are you?
Anonymous
Post 06/09/2016 18:17     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hate to say this, but it doesn't seem like rape to me either. It seems like it was a party hook-up by two drunken idiots that went off the rails. He fingered her according to him, with her consent. There was no PIV.


This is silly. In what universe do 2 people have consensual sex behind a dumpster, and then when people come up on you, the first instinct is to RUN LIKE HELL and leave a naked girl behind? Clearly he knew he was doing something wrong. He was scared to death of being caught because he knew he was raping a girl.

He was cool with leaving her behind, half naked with 2 dudes on a bike, in the middle of the night.

But it was just the alcohol right? Right.


If they went behind that dumpster and had the impression that they couldn't be seen...I can see how the guy would have ran if he heard two guys yelling at him and coming at him.

Why did they go behind the dumpster? Probably because that is where they could have privacy. Couldn't go back to his dorm (dorm rules? roommate?) and they sure as heck couldn't go back to her parents' house. Couldn't afford a hotel room. No car. So behind the dumpster it was.

They were both drunk off their arses, she passed out and the swedes came along and saw him humping a passed out girl. The cops were call...and things snowballed into a trial. That is my guess.


Mine as well. I would not have convicted.


I would have convicted based on the swedes' statements. They saw this guy humping a passed out girl which is an assault. Unfortunately once the system gets involved....things get serious very fast.

Anonymous
Post 06/09/2016 18:16     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Joining the thread late, but to those who are defending BAT would you have sexual contact (with your penis inside the body or your fingers inside the vagina/anus) with your wife if she was passed out?


timing is everything. If I was fooling around with my wife, and during the fingering she passed out, it might take me more than a few minutes for my drunken brain to realize that if I was fingering away.


Cool. You've explained that part. Now tell us in what circumstances you would need to go behind a dumpster with your wife for this to occur.

Thanks.


I'm not a drunk college student. I certainly did hook up with girls outside at parties back then. That is what drunk people do. The problem here is alcohol, not sexual violence. The guy on Capitol Hill is a violent rapist, this guy Turner is an alcoholic.[/quote]

FWIW, he's probably not an alcoholic. However, he's an underage drinker.
According to the court documents, his blood alcohol level was twice over the limit, while her was three times over the limit, so it's fair to say she was way more drunk than he was and he was taking advantage of her.
Anonymous
Post 06/09/2016 18:12     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Joining the thread late, but to those who are defending BAT would you have sexual contact (with your penis inside the body or your fingers inside the vagina/anus) with your wife if she was passed out?


timing is everything. If I was fooling around with my wife, and during the fingering she passed out, it might take me more than a few minutes for my drunken brain to realize that if I was fingering away.


Cool. You've explained that part. Now tell us in what circumstances you would need to go behind a dumpster with your wife for this to occur.

Thanks.


Not the PP.

Ask the girl.

Turner got a lighter sentence because of the following:

(1) He has no priors
(2) There is no indication of him drugging her
(3) There is no indication of him dragging her behind the dumpster
(4) She was too drunk to even remember what happened so there is no record
(5) He was too drunk to realize when or if she passed out.

I am a woman. I truly do not understand women who think they should be able to do whatever they want, whenever they want, and then blame men when things go badly. Stop pretending that she was sober, he was sober, and that he threatened her, dragged her behind a dumpster, and assaulted her. Stick with the facts and only the facts, like the judge did.


I am a woman too and I agree with the above posted message. The whole incident is unfortunate but the girl is taking zero responsibility for her actions.


You didn't read her statement if you think she's taking zero responsibility for her actions.


I did read it. She is glossing over the facts related to her, saying they exist but don't matter much. I have no sympathies for this boy but fair is fair, my guess (If I can say so) is this was a hook up gone bad, somewhere along the line she passed out and god know if he realized or not and here we are.
Anonymous
Post 06/09/2016 18:04     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hate to say this, but it doesn't seem like rape to me either. It seems like it was a party hook-up by two drunken idiots that went off the rails. He fingered her according to him, with her consent. There was no PIV.


This is silly. In what universe do 2 people have consensual sex behind a dumpster, and then when people come up on you, the first instinct is to RUN LIKE HELL and leave a naked girl behind? Clearly he knew he was doing something wrong. He was scared to death of being caught because he knew he was raping a girl.

He was cool with leaving her behind, half naked with 2 dudes on a bike, in the middle of the night.

But it was just the alcohol right? Right.


If they went behind that dumpster and had the impression that they couldn't be seen...I can see how the guy would have ran if he heard two guys yelling at him and coming at him.

Why did they go behind the dumpster? Probably because that is where they could have privacy. Couldn't go back to his dorm (dorm rules? roommate?) and they sure as heck couldn't go back to her parents' house. Couldn't afford a hotel room. No car. So behind the dumpster it was.

They were both drunk off their arses, she passed out and the swedes came along and saw him humping a passed out girl. The cops were call...and things snowballed into a trial. That is my guess.


Mine as well. I would not have convicted.
Anonymous
Post 06/09/2016 18:03     Subject: That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hate to say this, but it doesn't seem like rape to me either. It seems like it was a party hook-up by two drunken idiots that went off the rails. He fingered her according to him, with her consent. There was no PIV.


This is silly. In what universe do 2 people have consensual sex behind a dumpster, and then when people come up on you, the first instinct is to RUN LIKE HELL and leave a naked girl behind? Clearly he knew he was doing something wrong. He was scared to death of being caught because he knew he was raping a girl.

He was cool with leaving her behind, half naked with 2 dudes on a bike, in the middle of the night.

But it was just the alcohol right? Right.


If they went behind that dumpster and had the impression that they couldn't be seen...I can see how the guy would have ran if he heard two guys yelling at him and coming at him.

Why did they go behind the dumpster? Probably because that is where they could have privacy. Couldn't go back to his dorm (dorm rules? roommate?) and they sure as heck couldn't go back to her parents' house. Couldn't afford a hotel room. No car. So behind the dumpster it was.

They were both drunk off their arses, she passed out and the swedes came along and saw him humping a passed out girl. The cops were call...and things snowballed into a trial. That is my guess.


But why guess when there are a ton of facts that prove you wrong?

Your story sounds sweet, but it's not what happened to Brocky-boy.