Anonymous
06/11/2025 16:23
Subject: Trump 47 Economy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Dow all time high was hit Dec 4, 2024
S&P hit an all time high in Feb, has been middling since, was already at 6000 in Dec, 2024, and is only finally getting back to where it was after Trump crashed it
Dow all time high was Dec 20, 2024
We have had 6 months of Trump and are only now getting back to where he was after he led us through a roller coaster with tariff talk, then TACO-ing out.
My 401k outperforms the Dow and S&P. What is so hard for people to understand? I’m at an all time high by a significant amount.
*and still far below where you could have/would have been if Trump hadn't effed with the market. Why is that so hard for YOU to understand?
PS, I'm at an all time high too! But I also project where I should be - and I'm behind, and yes, that's because of Trump.
If you’re being honest you would calculate where you should be if Biden didn’t flatline investments for years rather than months.
Dow 11/5/21: 36,327
Dow 12/1/23: 36,245
The high during that period was 36,338.
PP, you cherry picked the heck out of that data and you are disingenuous with your alternative skewed facts. Why did you use November as your start date and not January 20, 2021 when Biden took office. The Dow was 31,188 on 1/20/21. When Biden left office on 1/20/25, the Dow was 43,488. The Dow currently stands at 42,837 below when Trump took POTUS for a second time.
On Inauguration Day in 2017 the Dow was at 19,732
On Inauguration Day in 2021 the Dow was at 31,188
During Trump’s first term the Dow rose 58%.
On Inauguration Day 2025 the Dow was at 43,488.
During Biden’s term the Dow rose 39.4%
And very little to nothing pertaining to this market growth can be associated with anything Trump or Biden did or didn't do.
That is not really true. Biden could have done what Trump was doing with COVID and schools would have remained closed, and downtowns would have died on the vine. Instead, he got vaccines out to the public in a massive way and the country opened back up and the economy started to roll again. Trump could have ridden what Biden left, but instead went on with the tariff nonsense, and now with troops in the streets, the markets do not like authoritarian governments and do not like leaders picking winners and losers in the marketplace, which is what Trump is doing. Think of how much higher the markets would be right now f Trump just kept his mouth shut?
Lies.
Trump’s Operation Warp Speed created the vaccines and was a miracle. Read Ezra Klein’s book if you need any validation.
And if the country would have followed Florida’s lead with COVID policies and protected the elderly and vulnerable without the learning loss and economic downturn that lockdowns caused, we’d be in a much better economic position right now.
the vaccine platform was created by trukish immigrants in Germany. There is no scenario were "operation warp speed created the vaccines" - none.
Anonymous
06/11/2025 16:20
Subject: Trump 47 Economy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Dow all time high was hit Dec 4, 2024
S&P hit an all time high in Feb, has been middling since, was already at 6000 in Dec, 2024, and is only finally getting back to where it was after Trump crashed it
Dow all time high was Dec 20, 2024
We have had 6 months of Trump and are only now getting back to where he was after he led us through a roller coaster with tariff talk, then TACO-ing out.
My 401k outperforms the Dow and S&P. What is so hard for people to understand? I’m at an all time high by a significant amount.
*and still far below where you could have/would have been if Trump hadn't effed with the market. Why is that so hard for YOU to understand?
PS, I'm at an all time high too! But I also project where I should be - and I'm behind, and yes, that's because of Trump.
If you’re being honest you would calculate where you should be if Biden didn’t flatline investments for years rather than months.
Dow 11/5/21: 36,327
Dow 12/1/23: 36,245
The high during that period was 36,338.
PP, you cherry picked the heck out of that data and you are disingenuous with your alternative skewed facts. Why did you use November as your start date and not January 20, 2021 when Biden took office. The Dow was 31,188 on 1/20/21. When Biden left office on 1/20/25, the Dow was 43,488. The Dow currently stands at 42,837 below when Trump took POTUS for a second time.
On Inauguration Day in 2017 the Dow was at 19,732
On Inauguration Day in 2021 the Dow was at 31,188
During Trump’s first term the Dow rose 58%.
On Inauguration Day 2025 the Dow was at 43,488.
During Biden’s term the Dow rose 39.4%
And very little to nothing pertaining to this market growth can be associated with anything Trump or Biden did or didn't do.
That is not really true. Biden could have done what Trump was doing with COVID and schools would have remained closed, and downtowns would have died on the vine. Instead, he got vaccines out to the public in a massive way and the country opened back up and the economy started to roll again. Trump could have ridden what Biden left, but instead went on with the tariff nonsense, and now with troops in the streets, the markets do not like authoritarian governments and do not like leaders picking winners and losers in the marketplace, which is what Trump is doing. Think of how much higher the markets would be right now f Trump just kept his mouth shut?
Lies.
Trump’s Operation Warp Speed created the vaccines and was a miracle. Read Ezra Klein’s book if you need any validation.
And if the country would have followed Florida’s lead with COVID policies and protected the elderly and vulnerable without the learning loss and economic downturn that lockdowns caused, we’d be in a much better economic position right now.
Operation Warp Speed was nothing more than promising to buy vaccines so there was a ready market for mass production. Any president would have done that. But then, why did Trump and the right backpeddle and say that vaccines were a hoax and didn't work? All that did was cause multiple further outbreaks and a disporprotionate amount of damage and deaths, particularly in red areas? The fact is, when trump left office, he left no contingency to get the vaccines out to the public. All of those stadium mass vaccination efforts were 100% conceived, planned and executed by the Biden Administration (and kudos to the National Guard who staffed a lot of those events)
Fact: science didn't know what the impact of COVID was going to be and it is always better to be safe, no? But when were the lockdowns, 2020, right? Who was president then?
Anonymous
06/11/2025 14:37
Subject: Trump 47 Economy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Dow all time high was hit Dec 4, 2024
S&P hit an all time high in Feb, has been middling since, was already at 6000 in Dec, 2024, and is only finally getting back to where it was after Trump crashed it
Dow all time high was Dec 20, 2024
We have had 6 months of Trump and are only now getting back to where he was after he led us through a roller coaster with tariff talk, then TACO-ing out.
My 401k outperforms the Dow and S&P. What is so hard for people to understand? I’m at an all time high by a significant amount.
*and still far below where you could have/would have been if Trump hadn't effed with the market. Why is that so hard for YOU to understand?
PS, I'm at an all time high too! But I also project where I should be - and I'm behind, and yes, that's because of Trump.
If you’re being honest you would calculate where you should be if Biden didn’t flatline investments for years rather than months.
Dow 11/5/21: 36,327
Dow 12/1/23: 36,245
The high during that period was 36,338.
PP, you cherry picked the heck out of that data and you are disingenuous with your alternative skewed facts. Why did you use November as your start date and not January 20, 2021 when Biden took office. The Dow was 31,188 on 1/20/21. When Biden left office on 1/20/25, the Dow was 43,488. The Dow currently stands at 42,837 below when Trump took POTUS for a second time.
On Inauguration Day in 2017 the Dow was at 19,732
On Inauguration Day in 2021 the Dow was at 31,188
During Trump’s first term the Dow rose 58%.
On Inauguration Day 2025 the Dow was at 43,488.
During Biden’s term the Dow rose 39.4%
And very little to nothing pertaining to this market growth can be associated with anything Trump or Biden did or didn't do.
That is not really true. Biden could have done what Trump was doing with COVID and schools would have remained closed, and downtowns would have died on the vine. Instead, he got vaccines out to the public in a massive way and the country opened back up and the economy started to roll again. Trump could have ridden what Biden left, but instead went on with the tariff nonsense, and now with troops in the streets, the markets do not like authoritarian governments and do not like leaders picking winners and losers in the marketplace, which is what Trump is doing. Think of how much higher the markets would be right now f Trump just kept his mouth shut?
Lies.
Trump’s Operation Warp Speed created the vaccines and was a miracle. Read Ezra Klein’s book if you need any validation.
And if the country would have followed Florida’s lead with COVID policies and protected the elderly and vulnerable without the learning loss and economic downturn that lockdowns caused, we’d be in a much better economic position right now.
You do realize that more people died in FL than anywhere else right? Now, you could argue that a few more deaths would have been better for the economy. That's your moral call.
Where are you getting your data?
Covid Death Rate, By State
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
And do you mean to tell me that a state where an overwhelming percentage of people are seniors like Florida had more deaths than a state with more young people per capita, like NC?! Holy smokes!!! You must crush arguments with 2nd Graders…
Your chart didn't help you either. More people died in red states where they opened up. That kinda sucks.
Also hard to look at Fl when they didn't publish the data.
Anonymous
06/11/2025 14:26
Subject: Trump 47 Economy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Dow all time high was hit Dec 4, 2024
S&P hit an all time high in Feb, has been middling since, was already at 6000 in Dec, 2024, and is only finally getting back to where it was after Trump crashed it
Dow all time high was Dec 20, 2024
We have had 6 months of Trump and are only now getting back to where he was after he led us through a roller coaster with tariff talk, then TACO-ing out.
My 401k outperforms the Dow and S&P. What is so hard for people to understand? I’m at an all time high by a significant amount.
*and still far below where you could have/would have been if Trump hadn't effed with the market. Why is that so hard for YOU to understand?
PS, I'm at an all time high too! But I also project where I should be - and I'm behind, and yes, that's because of Trump.
If you’re being honest you would calculate where you should be if Biden didn’t flatline investments for years rather than months.
Dow 11/5/21: 36,327
Dow 12/1/23: 36,245
The high during that period was 36,338.
PP, you cherry picked the heck out of that data and you are disingenuous with your alternative skewed facts. Why did you use November as your start date and not January 20, 2021 when Biden took office. The Dow was 31,188 on 1/20/21. When Biden left office on 1/20/25, the Dow was 43,488. The Dow currently stands at 42,837 below when Trump took POTUS for a second time.
On Inauguration Day in 2017 the Dow was at 19,732
On Inauguration Day in 2021 the Dow was at 31,188
During Trump’s first term the Dow rose 58%.
On Inauguration Day 2025 the Dow was at 43,488.
During Biden’s term the Dow rose 39.4%
And very little to nothing pertaining to this market growth can be associated with anything Trump or Biden did or didn't do.
That is not really true. Biden could have done what Trump was doing with COVID and schools would have remained closed, and downtowns would have died on the vine. Instead, he got vaccines out to the public in a massive way and the country opened back up and the economy started to roll again. Trump could have ridden what Biden left, but instead went on with the tariff nonsense, and now with troops in the streets, the markets do not like authoritarian governments and do not like leaders picking winners and losers in the marketplace, which is what Trump is doing. Think of how much higher the markets would be right now f Trump just kept his mouth shut?
Lies.
Trump’s Operation Warp Speed created the vaccines and was a miracle. Read Ezra Klein’s book if you need any validation.
Any president would have done what Operation Warp Speed did - throw money at vaccine development. Once it was approved the Trump administration had NO PLAN as to how to distribute it to the entire population and the Biden administration had to start that from square one after not even being allowed a proper presidential transition.
Throwing money at things doesn’t mean guaranteed success. Just look at our per capita spending on public education compared to countries like Sweden and Japan.
Want another example? How many charging stations have been installed since Biden’s infrastructure bill?
Biden’s $7.5 billion investment in EV charging has only produced 7 stations in two years
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2024/03/28/ev-charging-stations-slow-rollout/
I never voted for Trump. But I give credit where credit is due. Crushing ISIS and Operation Warp Speed were great accomplishments. I’d say the same thing if Obama or Biden had been behind them.
I would love to hear what you think Trump personally did to “guarantee the success” of the vaccine over and above what every other President, none of whom would have removed the pandemic warning team prior to 2020, would have done. He didn’t even get a dose in public.
You could make the same case for every president. You could say that Biden shouldn’t get credit for the CHIPS Act because he didn’t write the bill, didn’t read the entire bill, and perhaps didn’t even know what he was signing off on, but that’s a stupid game and I give Biden credit for the CHIPS Act. I give Obama credit for killing Bin Laden even though he didn’t personally plan the mission, fly the helicopters, or pull the trigger.
It’s not that hard. Breathe.
Anonymous
06/11/2025 14:03
Subject: Trump 47 Economy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Dow all time high was hit Dec 4, 2024
S&P hit an all time high in Feb, has been middling since, was already at 6000 in Dec, 2024, and is only finally getting back to where it was after Trump crashed it
Dow all time high was Dec 20, 2024
We have had 6 months of Trump and are only now getting back to where he was after he led us through a roller coaster with tariff talk, then TACO-ing out.
My 401k outperforms the Dow and S&P. What is so hard for people to understand? I’m at an all time high by a significant amount.
*and still far below where you could have/would have been if Trump hadn't effed with the market. Why is that so hard for YOU to understand?
PS, I'm at an all time high too! But I also project where I should be - and I'm behind, and yes, that's because of Trump.
If you’re being honest you would calculate where you should be if Biden didn’t flatline investments for years rather than months.
Dow 11/5/21: 36,327
Dow 12/1/23: 36,245
The high during that period was 36,338.
PP, you cherry picked the heck out of that data and you are disingenuous with your alternative skewed facts. Why did you use November as your start date and not January 20, 2021 when Biden took office. The Dow was 31,188 on 1/20/21. When Biden left office on 1/20/25, the Dow was 43,488. The Dow currently stands at 42,837 below when Trump took POTUS for a second time.
On Inauguration Day in 2017 the Dow was at 19,732
On Inauguration Day in 2021 the Dow was at 31,188
During Trump’s first term the Dow rose 58%.
On Inauguration Day 2025 the Dow was at 43,488.
During Biden’s term the Dow rose 39.4%
And very little to nothing pertaining to this market growth can be associated with anything Trump or Biden did or didn't do.
That is not really true. Biden could have done what Trump was doing with COVID and schools would have remained closed, and downtowns would have died on the vine. Instead, he got vaccines out to the public in a massive way and the country opened back up and the economy started to roll again. Trump could have ridden what Biden left, but instead went on with the tariff nonsense, and now with troops in the streets, the markets do not like authoritarian governments and do not like leaders picking winners and losers in the marketplace, which is what Trump is doing. Think of how much higher the markets would be right now f Trump just kept his mouth shut?
Lies.
Trump’s Operation Warp Speed created the vaccines and was a miracle. Read Ezra Klein’s book if you need any validation.
Any president would have done what Operation Warp Speed did - throw money at vaccine development. Once it was approved the Trump administration had NO PLAN as to how to distribute it to the entire population and the Biden administration had to start that from square one after not even being allowed a proper presidential transition.
Throwing money at things doesn’t mean guaranteed success. Just look at our per capita spending on public education compared to countries like Sweden and Japan.
Want another example? How many charging stations have been installed since Biden’s infrastructure bill?
Biden’s $7.5 billion investment in EV charging has only produced 7 stations in two years
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2024/03/28/ev-charging-stations-slow-rollout/
I never voted for Trump. But I give credit where credit is due. Crushing ISIS and Operation Warp Speed were great accomplishments. I’d say the same thing if Obama or Biden had been behind them.
I would love to hear what you think Trump personally did to “guarantee the success” of the vaccine over and above what every other President, none of whom would have removed the pandemic warning team prior to 2020, would have done. He didn’t even get a dose in public.
Anonymous
06/11/2025 13:59
Subject: Trump 47 Economy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Inflation rising again, up from last month.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/inflation-rate-edged-higher-2-123438413.html
Wrong again
Do you understand what the word "rising" means?
Anonymous
06/11/2025 13:56
Subject: Re:Trump 47 Economy
I thought the sky was falling and everyone should cash out their 401ks and put their retirement funds in a shoebox? Oh wait….
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/06/11/trump-tariffs-may-inflation/
Trump economy shows surprising resilience despite tariff impacts
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/06/11/trump-tariffs-may-inflation/
Trump economy shows surprising resilience despite tariff impacts
President Donald Trump’s escalating trade war may be rattling corporate boardrooms and slowing consumer spending, but the U.S. economy so far has kept humming along.
The latest encouraging sign came Wednesday, when the Labor Department reported that inflation remained mild in May, rising at an annual pace of 2.4 percent — less than economists had anticipated. The labor market continues to chug as well, adding a healthy 139,000 jobs last month, which also beat expectations.
The wave of good news has surprised analysts who had braced for higher inflation and weaker hiring amid Trump’s unpredictable trade moves — including new tariffs that were quickly scaled back or delayed. The inflation report landed the day after U.S. and Chinese negotiators announced a framework for a deal to reduce tariffs and other economic restrictions between the countries, suggesting the administration may further retreat in its global trade war. That could remove another threat from the U.S. economy.
Anonymous
06/11/2025 13:53
Subject: Trump 47 Economy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Dow all time high was hit Dec 4, 2024
S&P hit an all time high in Feb, has been middling since, was already at 6000 in Dec, 2024, and is only finally getting back to where it was after Trump crashed it
Dow all time high was Dec 20, 2024
We have had 6 months of Trump and are only now getting back to where he was after he led us through a roller coaster with tariff talk, then TACO-ing out.
My 401k outperforms the Dow and S&P. What is so hard for people to understand? I’m at an all time high by a significant amount.
*and still far below where you could have/would have been if Trump hadn't effed with the market. Why is that so hard for YOU to understand?
PS, I'm at an all time high too! But I also project where I should be - and I'm behind, and yes, that's because of Trump.
If you’re being honest you would calculate where you should be if Biden didn’t flatline investments for years rather than months.
Dow 11/5/21: 36,327
Dow 12/1/23: 36,245
The high during that period was 36,338.
PP, you cherry picked the heck out of that data and you are disingenuous with your alternative skewed facts. Why did you use November as your start date and not January 20, 2021 when Biden took office. The Dow was 31,188 on 1/20/21. When Biden left office on 1/20/25, the Dow was 43,488. The Dow currently stands at 42,837 below when Trump took POTUS for a second time.
On Inauguration Day in 2017 the Dow was at 19,732
On Inauguration Day in 2021 the Dow was at 31,188
During Trump’s first term the Dow rose 58%.
On Inauguration Day 2025 the Dow was at 43,488.
During Biden’s term the Dow rose 39.4%
And very little to nothing pertaining to this market growth can be associated with anything Trump or Biden did or didn't do.
That is not really true. Biden could have done what Trump was doing with COVID and schools would have remained closed, and downtowns would have died on the vine. Instead, he got vaccines out to the public in a massive way and the country opened back up and the economy started to roll again. Trump could have ridden what Biden left, but instead went on with the tariff nonsense, and now with troops in the streets, the markets do not like authoritarian governments and do not like leaders picking winners and losers in the marketplace, which is what Trump is doing. Think of how much higher the markets would be right now f Trump just kept his mouth shut?
Lies.
Trump’s Operation Warp Speed created the vaccines and was a miracle. Read Ezra Klein’s book if you need any validation.
Any president would have done what Operation Warp Speed did - throw money at vaccine development. Once it was approved the Trump administration had NO PLAN as to how to distribute it to the entire population and the Biden administration had to start that from square one after not even being allowed a proper presidential transition.
Throwing money at things doesn’t mean guaranteed success. Just look at our per capita spending on public education compared to countries like Sweden and Japan.
Want another example? How many charging stations have been installed since Biden’s infrastructure bill?
Biden’s $7.5 billion investment in EV charging has only produced 7 stations in two years
https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2024/03/28/ev-charging-stations-slow-rollout/
I never voted for Trump. But I give credit where credit is due. Crushing ISIS and Operation Warp Speed were great accomplishments. I’d say the same thing if Obama or Biden had been behind them.
Anonymous
06/11/2025 13:48
Subject: Trump 47 Economy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Dow all time high was hit Dec 4, 2024
S&P hit an all time high in Feb, has been middling since, was already at 6000 in Dec, 2024, and is only finally getting back to where it was after Trump crashed it
Dow all time high was Dec 20, 2024
We have had 6 months of Trump and are only now getting back to where he was after he led us through a roller coaster with tariff talk, then TACO-ing out.
My 401k outperforms the Dow and S&P. What is so hard for people to understand? I’m at an all time high by a significant amount.
*and still far below where you could have/would have been if Trump hadn't effed with the market. Why is that so hard for YOU to understand?
PS, I'm at an all time high too! But I also project where I should be - and I'm behind, and yes, that's because of Trump.
If you’re being honest you would calculate where you should be if Biden didn’t flatline investments for years rather than months.
Dow 11/5/21: 36,327
Dow 12/1/23: 36,245
The high during that period was 36,338.
PP, you cherry picked the heck out of that data and you are disingenuous with your alternative skewed facts. Why did you use November as your start date and not January 20, 2021 when Biden took office. The Dow was 31,188 on 1/20/21. When Biden left office on 1/20/25, the Dow was 43,488. The Dow currently stands at 42,837 below when Trump took POTUS for a second time.
On Inauguration Day in 2017 the Dow was at 19,732
On Inauguration Day in 2021 the Dow was at 31,188
During Trump’s first term the Dow rose 58%.
On Inauguration Day 2025 the Dow was at 43,488.
During Biden’s term the Dow rose 39.4%
And very little to nothing pertaining to this market growth can be associated with anything Trump or Biden did or didn't do.
That is not really true. Biden could have done what Trump was doing with COVID and schools would have remained closed, and downtowns would have died on the vine. Instead, he got vaccines out to the public in a massive way and the country opened back up and the economy started to roll again. Trump could have ridden what Biden left, but instead went on with the tariff nonsense, and now with troops in the streets, the markets do not like authoritarian governments and do not like leaders picking winners and losers in the marketplace, which is what Trump is doing. Think of how much higher the markets would be right now f Trump just kept his mouth shut?
Lies.
Trump’s Operation Warp Speed created the vaccines and was a miracle. Read Ezra Klein’s book if you need any validation.
And if the country would have followed Florida’s lead with COVID policies and protected the elderly and vulnerable without the learning loss and economic downturn that lockdowns caused, we’d be in a much better economic position right now.
You do realize that more people died in FL than anywhere else right? Now, you could argue that a few more deaths would have been better for the economy. That's your moral call.
Where are you getting your data?
Covid Death Rate, By State
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/
And do you mean to tell me that a state where an overwhelming percentage of people are seniors like Florida had more deaths than a state with more young people per capita, like NC?! Holy smokes!!! You must crush arguments with 2nd Graders…
Anonymous
06/11/2025 12:34
Subject: Trump 47 Economy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Dow all time high was hit Dec 4, 2024
S&P hit an all time high in Feb, has been middling since, was already at 6000 in Dec, 2024, and is only finally getting back to where it was after Trump crashed it
Dow all time high was Dec 20, 2024
We have had 6 months of Trump and are only now getting back to where he was after he led us through a roller coaster with tariff talk, then TACO-ing out.
My 401k outperforms the Dow and S&P. What is so hard for people to understand? I’m at an all time high by a significant amount.
*and still far below where you could have/would have been if Trump hadn't effed with the market. Why is that so hard for YOU to understand?
PS, I'm at an all time high too! But I also project where I should be - and I'm behind, and yes, that's because of Trump.
If you’re being honest you would calculate where you should be if Biden didn’t flatline investments for years rather than months.
Dow 11/5/21: 36,327
Dow 12/1/23: 36,245
The high during that period was 36,338.
PP, you cherry picked the heck out of that data and you are disingenuous with your alternative skewed facts. Why did you use November as your start date and not January 20, 2021 when Biden took office. The Dow was 31,188 on 1/20/21. When Biden left office on 1/20/25, the Dow was 43,488. The Dow currently stands at 42,837 below when Trump took POTUS for a second time.
On Inauguration Day in 2017 the Dow was at 19,732
On Inauguration Day in 2021 the Dow was at 31,188
During Trump’s first term the Dow rose 58%.
On Inauguration Day 2025 the Dow was at 43,488.
During Biden’s term the Dow rose 39.4%
And very little to nothing pertaining to this market growth can be associated with anything Trump or Biden did or didn't do.
That is not really true. Biden could have done what Trump was doing with COVID and schools would have remained closed, and downtowns would have died on the vine. Instead, he got vaccines out to the public in a massive way and the country opened back up and the economy started to roll again. Trump could have ridden what Biden left, but instead went on with the tariff nonsense, and now with troops in the streets, the markets do not like authoritarian governments and do not like leaders picking winners and losers in the marketplace, which is what Trump is doing. Think of how much higher the markets would be right now f Trump just kept his mouth shut?
Lies.
Trump’s Operation Warp Speed created the vaccines and was a miracle. Read Ezra Klein’s book if you need any validation.
Any president would have done what Operation Warp Speed did - throw money at vaccine development. Once it was approved the Trump administration had NO PLAN as to how to distribute it to the entire population and the Biden administration had to start that from square one after not even being allowed a proper presidential transition.
Anonymous
06/11/2025 12:20
Subject: Trump 47 Economy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Dow all time high was hit Dec 4, 2024
S&P hit an all time high in Feb, has been middling since, was already at 6000 in Dec, 2024, and is only finally getting back to where it was after Trump crashed it
Dow all time high was Dec 20, 2024
We have had 6 months of Trump and are only now getting back to where he was after he led us through a roller coaster with tariff talk, then TACO-ing out.
My 401k outperforms the Dow and S&P. What is so hard for people to understand? I’m at an all time high by a significant amount.
*and still far below where you could have/would have been if Trump hadn't effed with the market. Why is that so hard for YOU to understand?
PS, I'm at an all time high too! But I also project where I should be - and I'm behind, and yes, that's because of Trump.
If you’re being honest you would calculate where you should be if Biden didn’t flatline investments for years rather than months.
Dow 11/5/21: 36,327
Dow 12/1/23: 36,245
The high during that period was 36,338.
PP, you cherry picked the heck out of that data and you are disingenuous with your alternative skewed facts. Why did you use November as your start date and not January 20, 2021 when Biden took office. The Dow was 31,188 on 1/20/21. When Biden left office on 1/20/25, the Dow was 43,488. The Dow currently stands at 42,837 below when Trump took POTUS for a second time.
On Inauguration Day in 2017 the Dow was at 19,732
On Inauguration Day in 2021 the Dow was at 31,188
During Trump’s first term the Dow rose 58%.
On Inauguration Day 2025 the Dow was at 43,488.
During Biden’s term the Dow rose 39.4%
And very little to nothing pertaining to this market growth can be associated with anything Trump or Biden did or didn't do.
That is not really true. Biden could have done what Trump was doing with COVID and schools would have remained closed, and downtowns would have died on the vine. Instead, he got vaccines out to the public in a massive way and the country opened back up and the economy started to roll again. Trump could have ridden what Biden left, but instead went on with the tariff nonsense, and now with troops in the streets, the markets do not like authoritarian governments and do not like leaders picking winners and losers in the marketplace, which is what Trump is doing. Think of how much higher the markets would be right now f Trump just kept his mouth shut?
The S&P is at 6,052 right now and is up 3.5% in the last month. Markets have risen since these ICE raids because they care about the good May inflation numbers and the fact China and the US are talking more about Trump’s reaction to the protests. Literally, what are you talking about? Your opinions are literally divorced from reality.
Well, the job numbers are down, businesses are laying off, companies are not investing b/c there is too much uncertainty and now one is buying houses, but hey, everything is great. Oh, and grocery prices didn't decrease.
Anonymous
06/11/2025 12:19
Subject: Trump 47 Economy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Dow all time high was hit Dec 4, 2024
S&P hit an all time high in Feb, has been middling since, was already at 6000 in Dec, 2024, and is only finally getting back to where it was after Trump crashed it
Dow all time high was Dec 20, 2024
We have had 6 months of Trump and are only now getting back to where he was after he led us through a roller coaster with tariff talk, then TACO-ing out.
My 401k outperforms the Dow and S&P. What is so hard for people to understand? I’m at an all time high by a significant amount.
*and still far below where you could have/would have been if Trump hadn't effed with the market. Why is that so hard for YOU to understand?
PS, I'm at an all time high too! But I also project where I should be - and I'm behind, and yes, that's because of Trump.
If you’re being honest you would calculate where you should be if Biden didn’t flatline investments for years rather than months.
Dow 11/5/21: 36,327
Dow 12/1/23: 36,245
The high during that period was 36,338.
PP, you cherry picked the heck out of that data and you are disingenuous with your alternative skewed facts. Why did you use November as your start date and not January 20, 2021 when Biden took office. The Dow was 31,188 on 1/20/21. When Biden left office on 1/20/25, the Dow was 43,488. The Dow currently stands at 42,837 below when Trump took POTUS for a second time.
On Inauguration Day in 2017 the Dow was at 19,732
On Inauguration Day in 2021 the Dow was at 31,188
During Trump’s first term the Dow rose 58%.
On Inauguration Day 2025 the Dow was at 43,488.
During Biden’s term the Dow rose 39.4%
And very little to nothing pertaining to this market growth can be associated with anything Trump or Biden did or didn't do.
That is not really true. Biden could have done what Trump was doing with COVID and schools would have remained closed, and downtowns would have died on the vine. Instead, he got vaccines out to the public in a massive way and the country opened back up and the economy started to roll again. Trump could have ridden what Biden left, but instead went on with the tariff nonsense, and now with troops in the streets, the markets do not like authoritarian governments and do not like leaders picking winners and losers in the marketplace, which is what Trump is doing. Think of how much higher the markets would be right now f Trump just kept his mouth shut?
Lies.
Trump’s Operation Warp Speed created the vaccines and was a miracle. Read Ezra Klein’s book if you need any validation.
And if the country would have followed Florida’s lead with COVID policies and protected the elderly and vulnerable without the learning loss and economic downturn that lockdowns caused, we’d be in a much better economic position right now.
You do realize that more people died in FL than anywhere else right? Now, you could argue that a few more deaths would have been better for the economy. That's your moral call.
Anonymous
06/11/2025 11:38
Subject: Trump 47 Economy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Dow all time high was hit Dec 4, 2024
S&P hit an all time high in Feb, has been middling since, was already at 6000 in Dec, 2024, and is only finally getting back to where it was after Trump crashed it
Dow all time high was Dec 20, 2024
We have had 6 months of Trump and are only now getting back to where he was after he led us through a roller coaster with tariff talk, then TACO-ing out.
My 401k outperforms the Dow and S&P. What is so hard for people to understand? I’m at an all time high by a significant amount.
*and still far below where you could have/would have been if Trump hadn't effed with the market. Why is that so hard for YOU to understand?
PS, I'm at an all time high too! But I also project where I should be - and I'm behind, and yes, that's because of Trump.
If you’re being honest you would calculate where you should be if Biden didn’t flatline investments for years rather than months.
Dow 11/5/21: 36,327
Dow 12/1/23: 36,245
The high during that period was 36,338.
PP, you cherry picked the heck out of that data and you are disingenuous with your alternative skewed facts. Why did you use November as your start date and not January 20, 2021 when Biden took office. The Dow was 31,188 on 1/20/21. When Biden left office on 1/20/25, the Dow was 43,488. The Dow currently stands at 42,837 below when Trump took POTUS for a second time.
On Inauguration Day in 2017 the Dow was at 19,732
On Inauguration Day in 2021 the Dow was at 31,188
During Trump’s first term the Dow rose 58%.
On Inauguration Day 2025 the Dow was at 43,488.
During Biden’s term the Dow rose 39.4%
And very little to nothing pertaining to this market growth can be associated with anything Trump or Biden did or didn't do.
That is not really true. Biden could have done what Trump was doing with COVID and schools would have remained closed, and downtowns would have died on the vine. Instead, he got vaccines out to the public in a massive way and the country opened back up and the economy started to roll again. Trump could have ridden what Biden left, but instead went on with the tariff nonsense, and now with troops in the streets, the markets do not like authoritarian governments and do not like leaders picking winners and losers in the marketplace, which is what Trump is doing. Think of how much higher the markets would be right now f Trump just kept his mouth shut?
The S&P is at 6,052 right now and is up 3.5% in the last month. Markets have risen since these ICE raids because they care about the good May inflation numbers and the fact China and the US are talking more about Trump’s reaction to the protests. Literally, what are you talking about? Your opinions are literally divorced from reality.
Anonymous
06/11/2025 11:35
Subject: Trump 47 Economy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Dow all time high was hit Dec 4, 2024
S&P hit an all time high in Feb, has been middling since, was already at 6000 in Dec, 2024, and is only finally getting back to where it was after Trump crashed it
Dow all time high was Dec 20, 2024
We have had 6 months of Trump and are only now getting back to where he was after he led us through a roller coaster with tariff talk, then TACO-ing out.
My 401k outperforms the Dow and S&P. What is so hard for people to understand? I’m at an all time high by a significant amount.
*and still far below where you could have/would have been if Trump hadn't effed with the market. Why is that so hard for YOU to understand?
PS, I'm at an all time high too! But I also project where I should be - and I'm behind, and yes, that's because of Trump.
If you’re being honest you would calculate where you should be if Biden didn’t flatline investments for years rather than months.
Dow 11/5/21: 36,327
Dow 12/1/23: 36,245
The high during that period was 36,338.
PP, you cherry picked the heck out of that data and you are disingenuous with your alternative skewed facts. Why did you use November as your start date and not January 20, 2021 when Biden took office. The Dow was 31,188 on 1/20/21. When Biden left office on 1/20/25, the Dow was 43,488. The Dow currently stands at 42,837 below when Trump took POTUS for a second time.
On Inauguration Day in 2017 the Dow was at 19,732
On Inauguration Day in 2021 the Dow was at 31,188
During Trump’s first term the Dow rose 58%.
On Inauguration Day 2025 the Dow was at 43,488.
During Biden’s term the Dow rose 39.4%
And very little to nothing pertaining to this market growth can be associated with anything Trump or Biden did or didn't do.
That is not really true. Biden could have done what Trump was doing with COVID and schools would have remained closed, and downtowns would have died on the vine. Instead, he got vaccines out to the public in a massive way and the country opened back up and the economy started to roll again. Trump could have ridden what Biden left, but instead went on with the tariff nonsense, and now with troops in the streets, the markets do not like authoritarian governments and do not like leaders picking winners and losers in the marketplace, which is what Trump is doing. Think of how much higher the markets would be right now f Trump just kept his mouth shut?
Lies.
Trump’s Operation Warp Speed created the vaccines and was a miracle. Read Ezra Klein’s book if you need any validation.
And if the country would have followed Florida’s lead with COVID policies and protected the elderly and vulnerable without the learning loss and economic downturn that lockdowns caused, we’d be in a much better economic position right now.
Anonymous
06/11/2025 11:32
Subject: Trump 47 Economy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Dow all time high was hit Dec 4, 2024
S&P hit an all time high in Feb, has been middling since, was already at 6000 in Dec, 2024, and is only finally getting back to where it was after Trump crashed it
Dow all time high was Dec 20, 2024
We have had 6 months of Trump and are only now getting back to where he was after he led us through a roller coaster with tariff talk, then TACO-ing out.
My 401k outperforms the Dow and S&P. What is so hard for people to understand? I’m at an all time high by a significant amount.
*and still far below where you could have/would have been if Trump hadn't effed with the market. Why is that so hard for YOU to understand?
PS, I'm at an all time high too! But I also project where I should be - and I'm behind, and yes, that's because of Trump.
If you’re being honest you would calculate where you should be if Biden didn’t flatline investments for years rather than months.
Dow 11/5/21: 36,327
Dow 12/1/23: 36,245
The high during that period was 36,338.
PP, you cherry picked the heck out of that data and you are disingenuous with your alternative skewed facts. Why did you use November as your start date and not January 20, 2021 when Biden took office. The Dow was 31,188 on 1/20/21. When Biden left office on 1/20/25, the Dow was 43,488. The Dow currently stands at 42,837 below when Trump took POTUS for a second time.
On Inauguration Day in 2017 the Dow was at 19,732
On Inauguration Day in 2021 the Dow was at 31,188
During Trump’s first term the Dow rose 58%.
On Inauguration Day 2025 the Dow was at 43,488.
During Biden’s term the Dow rose 39.4%
And very little to nothing pertaining to this market growth can be associated with anything Trump or Biden did or didn't do.
That is not really true. Biden could have done what Trump was doing with COVID and schools would have remained closed, and downtowns would have died on the vine. Instead, he got vaccines out to the public in a massive way and the country opened back up and the economy started to roll again. Trump could have ridden what Biden left, but instead went on with the tariff nonsense, and now with troops in the streets, the markets do not like authoritarian governments and do not like leaders picking winners and losers in the marketplace, which is what Trump is doing. Think of how much higher the markets would be right now f Trump just kept his mouth shut?