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Anonymous wrote:This is one big game of chess and ECNL is running out of moves

ECNL is fine for now but MLSN is the top league for boys. If MLSN cared about dominating the youth soccer market they easily could.

ECNL girls is also fine for now but parents are starting to figure out that GA is the same thing. The only difference is the clubs involved.

The big unknown right now is if/how NWSL will partner with youth soccer. A working framework has been established by MLS and implemented via MLSN. Logically if NWSL was to follow MLSs footsteps they’d partner with GA and create NWSLN. If this was to happen there would be 20+ ECNL to GA defections year one.

That bolded part is so wrong.....

792 D1 verbal commitments for the 2025 class & breakdown by platform.

#ECNL -575 (72.6%)
#GirlsAcademy -166 (21%)
All Others -27 (3.4%)
🇨🇦 -24 (3%)

There’s a twitter handle that is tracking all this.

Are the above ECNL numbers just girls? I don’t doubt that ECNL girls has more D1 commitments than GA girls, even proportionately to the number of players / teams, but 3.5:1 doesn’t seem right. 575 ECNL boys and girls and 166 GA girls makes more sense to me.

Just girls. That is the point. Of course you can get recruited in GA. But not like ECNL.

Ignore the current mess at FCV. Any reasonable person would acknowledge that, on the whole over the last five years, FCV’s GA teams have been as good (not meaningfully better or meaningfully worse) as any of the ECNL teams in the DMV. Similarly, any reasonable person would acknowledge that some portion (top 10%, top quarter, top half?) of their teams could have played on any of the ECNL teams in the DMV. Given that the ECNL is producing 3x the number of D1 players, why did that portion of FCV’s players stay at FCV and not move to an ECNL team?

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Anonymous wrote:This is one big game of chess and ECNL is running out of moves

ECNL is fine for now but MLSN is the top league for boys. If MLSN cared about dominating the youth soccer market they easily could.

ECNL girls is also fine for now but parents are starting to figure out that GA is the same thing. The only difference is the clubs involved.

The big unknown right now is if/how NWSL will partner with youth soccer. A working framework has been established by MLS and implemented via MLSN. Logically if NWSL was to follow MLSs footsteps they’d partner with GA and create NWSLN. If this was to happen there would be 20+ ECNL to GA defections year one.

That bolded part is so wrong.....

792 D1 verbal commitments for the 2025 class & breakdown by platform.

#ECNL -575 (72.6%)
#GirlsAcademy -166 (21%)
All Others -27 (3.4%)
🇨🇦 -24 (3%)

There’s a twitter handle that is tracking all this.

Are the above ECNL numbers just girls? I don’t doubt that ECNL girls has more D1 commitments than GA girls, even proportionately to the number of players / teams, but 3.5:1 doesn’t seem right. 575 ECNL boys and girls and 166 GA girls makes more sense to me.

Just girls. That is the point. Of course you can get recruited in GA. But not like ECNL.

Ignore the current mess at FCV. Any reasonable person would acknowledge that, on the whole over the last five years, FCV’s GA teams have been as good (not meaningfully better or meaningfully worse) as any of the ECNL teams in the DMV. Similarly, any reasonable person would acknowledge that some portion (top 10%, top quarter, top half?) of their teams could have played on any of the ECNL teams in the DMV. Given that the ECNL is producing 3x the number of D1 players, why did that portion of FCV’s players stay at FCV and not move to an ECNL team?

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else completely annoyed how this thread was hijacked by ECNL dad and GA dad?

Most people on this thread want what's best for their McLean and Brave players. We are looking for any insight to coaching, roster spot numbers, and why this happened. I think all of us were very surprised by this. These are two ECNL clubs, so GA people go away and take your measuring stick with you or better yet, go to another thread.

Anyone know when coaching slates and ID sessions will come out? Maybe OP does since he spilled the beans to begin with.

I'm trying to stay positive about all of this. But the timing of this is killing parents because if we need to search elsewhere, we are down to wire with club IDs - including GA clubs.

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else completely annoyed how this thread was hijacked by ECNL dad and GA dad?

Most people on this thread want what's best for their McLean and Brave players. We are looking for any insight to coaching, roster spot numbers, and why this happened. I think all of us were very surprised by this. These are two ECNL clubs, so GA people go away and take your measuring stick with you or better yet, go to another thread.

Anyone know when coaching slates and ID sessions will come out? Maybe OP does since he spilled the beans to begin with.

I'm trying to stay positive about all of this. But the timing of this is killing parents because if we need to search elsewhere, we are down to wire with club IDs - including GA clubs.

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Anonymous wrote:This is one big game of chess and ECNL is running out of moves

ECNL is fine for now but MLSN is the top league for boys. If MLSN cared about dominating the youth soccer market they easily could.

ECNL girls is also fine for now but parents are starting to figure out that GA is the same thing. The only difference is the clubs involved.

The big unknown right now is if/how NWSL will partner with youth soccer. A working framework has been established by MLS and implemented via MLSN. Logically if NWSL was to follow MLSs footsteps they’d partner with GA and create NWSLN. If this was to happen there would be 20+ ECNL to GA defections year one.

That bolded part is so wrong.....

792 D1 verbal commitments for the 2025 class & breakdown by platform.

#ECNL -575 (72.6%)
#GirlsAcademy -166 (21%)
All Others -27 (3.4%)
🇨🇦 -24 (3%)

There’s a twitter handle that is tracking all this.

Are the above ECNL numbers just girls? I don’t doubt that ECNL girls has more D1 commitments than GA girls, even proportionately to the number of players / teams, but 3.5:1 doesn’t seem right. 575 ECNL boys and girls and 166 GA girls makes more sense to me.

Just girls. That is the point. Of course you can get recruited in GA. But not like ECNL.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of this is not relevant but a few of the answers are wrong and could be misleading to parents trying to separate signal from noise, so here’s some follow up:

“- ECNL parents are in constant state of FOMO”

Probably accurate, but unimportant of college recruiting- in fact FOMO parents can be unintentionally helpful.

“- GA is more relaxed”
Maybe? I felt like the parents were roughly the same, also not important.

“- There's bottom feeders in both leagues”

True but not super relevant other than as i noted earlier, if there’s better kids then more coaches show up.

“- The top GA teams get as much visibility with recruiters as the better ECNL teams”

Not accurate unfortunately. It’s a numbers game and there are way more college coaches at ECNL showcases and Nats.

“- There's 10ish ECNL clubs that would win in any league they play in. (Most are in California and Texas)”

Sure, but completely irrelevant to recruiting. Winning and losing is only vaguely important.

“- From a rules perspective for games, coaches, and clubs GA and ECNL are nearly identical”

Yep, totally agree.

“- If your kid is a once in a lifetime soccer talent other clubs, other leagues, colleges, and pros will find them no matter where they play”

I am not confident this is accurate, but I’ll agree.

“- For 99% of the players it doesn't matter where you play they'll end up in the same place”

100% wrong. Full stop. This trope that coaches are out there scouring the earth for players is simply wrong. For girls soccer, coaches have limited time and budget. Coaches know they can get enough of the talent they need from going to ECNL and GA tournaments/showcases and a few big club private showcases to fill their slots. College coaches wsnt to win, but it’s a churn business. They have 30 kids on the roster, 1/4 of them will graduate each year. The season is stupid short and brutal. Healthy bodies are almost as important as talent at the end of the season.

If your daughter wants to play upper D1 or high level D3 the chances of breaking through playing NPL or E64 are diminishingly small. My kid has friends who were probably as hood as she was, but they didn’t make the jump to ECNL/GA. A few belatedly tried to get a College spot, but the only interest was from D3 schools just looking for bodies.

My kids are not once in a lifetime talents. they both are good, one hit all met honorable mention and got UNited Coaches player of the week, but no call ups or huge honors. Without a chance to be seen by College coaches over and over, my kid isn’t playing in college today. As a parent, I would be fine with that, but it was her dream and i supported her. ECNL and GA are tools that help support that goal.

lol.. college coaches will get who they want, doesn’t matter the league. Yes ECNL showcases may have more coaches attend, but overall coaches will come see who they want, no matter the league.

LOL all you want, but the numbers don't lie:

#ECNL -575 (72.6%)
#GirlsAcademy -166 (21%)
All Others -27 (3.4%)
🇨🇦 -24 (3%)

There's a higher than 0% chance for non ECNL/GA kids of course, but not much higher.....

That’s class of 25. 792 commits across 330+ D1 programs. There are literally thousands more that will happen in the next year. It’s like 20% of the class. Plenty of non ECNL/GA players will go D1. I literally know like 5 D1 players that came from EDP and I barely know anyone in that age group, since my kids are younger.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of this is not relevant but a few of the answers are wrong and could be misleading to parents trying to separate signal from noise, so here’s some follow up:

“- ECNL parents are in constant state of FOMO”

Probably accurate, but unimportant of college recruiting- in fact FOMO parents can be unintentionally helpful.

“- GA is more relaxed”
Maybe? I felt like the parents were roughly the same, also not important.

“- There's bottom feeders in both leagues”

True but not super relevant other than as i noted earlier, if there’s better kids then more coaches show up.

“- The top GA teams get as much visibility with recruiters as the better ECNL teams”

Not accurate unfortunately. It’s a numbers game and there are way more college coaches at ECNL showcases and Nats.

“- There's 10ish ECNL clubs that would win in any league they play in. (Most are in California and Texas)”

Sure, but completely irrelevant to recruiting. Winning and losing is only vaguely important.

“- From a rules perspective for games, coaches, and clubs GA and ECNL are nearly identical”

Yep, totally agree.

“- If your kid is a once in a lifetime soccer talent other clubs, other leagues, colleges, and pros will find them no matter where they play”

I am not confident this is accurate, but I’ll agree.

“- For 99% of the players it doesn't matter where you play they'll end up in the same place”

100% wrong. Full stop. This trope that coaches are out there scouring the earth for players is simply wrong. For girls soccer, coaches have limited time and budget. Coaches know they can get enough of the talent they need from going to ECNL and GA tournaments/showcases and a few big club private showcases to fill their slots. College coaches wsnt to win, but it’s a churn business. They have 30 kids on the roster, 1/4 of them will graduate each year. The season is stupid short and brutal. Healthy bodies are almost as important as talent at the end of the season.

If your daughter wants to play upper D1 or high level D3 the chances of breaking through playing NPL or E64 are diminishingly small. My kid has friends who were probably as hood as she was, but they didn’t make the jump to ECNL/GA. A few belatedly tried to get a College spot, but the only interest was from D3 schools just looking for bodies.

My kids are not once in a lifetime talents. they both are good, one hit all met honorable mention and got UNited Coaches player of the week, but no call ups or huge honors. Without a chance to be seen by College coaches over and over, my kid isn’t playing in college today. As a parent, I would be fine with that, but it was her dream and i supported her. ECNL and GA are tools that help support that goal.

lol.. college coaches will get who they want, doesn’t matter the league. Yes ECNL showcases may have more coaches attend, but overall coaches will come see who they want, no matter the league.

LOL all you want, but the numbers don't lie:

#ECNL -575 (72.6%)
#GirlsAcademy -166 (21%)
All Others -27 (3.4%)
🇨🇦 -24 (3%)

There's a higher than 0% chance for non ECNL/GA kids of course, but not much higher.....

I put odd on your kid playing in college at zero.

I put the odds of you being an ECNL troll 100%

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Anonymous wrote:This is one big game of chess and ECNL is running out of moves

ECNL is fine for now but MLSN is the top league for boys. If MLSN cared about dominating the youth soccer market they easily could.

ECNL girls is also fine for now but parents are starting to figure out that GA is the same thing. The only difference is the clubs involved.

The big unknown right now is if/how NWSL will partner with youth soccer. A working framework has been established by MLS and implemented via MLSN. Logically if NWSL was to follow MLSs footsteps they’d partner with GA and create NWSLN. If this was to happen there would be 20+ ECNL to GA defections year one.

That bolded part is so wrong.....

792 D1 verbal commitments for the 2025 class & breakdown by platform.

#ECNL -575 (72.6%)
#GirlsAcademy -166 (21%)
All Others -27 (3.4%)
🇨🇦 -24 (3%)

There’s a twitter handle that is tracking all this.

Are the above ECNL numbers just girls? I don’t doubt that ECNL girls has more D1 commitments than GA girls, even proportionately to the number of players / teams, but 3.5:1 doesn’t seem right. 575 ECNL boys and girls and 166 GA girls makes more sense to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Most of this is not relevant but a few of the answers are wrong and could be misleading to parents trying to separate signal from noise, so here’s some follow up:

“- ECNL parents are in constant state of FOMO”

Probably accurate, but unimportant of college recruiting- in fact FOMO parents can be unintentionally helpful.

“- GA is more relaxed”
Maybe? I felt like the parents were roughly the same, also not important.

“- There's bottom feeders in both leagues”

True but not super relevant other than as i noted earlier, if there’s better kids then more coaches show up.

“- The top GA teams get as much visibility with recruiters as the better ECNL teams”

Not accurate unfortunately. It’s a numbers game and there are way more college coaches at ECNL showcases and Nats.

“- There's 10ish ECNL clubs that would win in any league they play in. (Most are in California and Texas)”

Sure, but completely irrelevant to recruiting. Winning and losing is only vaguely important.

“- From a rules perspective for games, coaches, and clubs GA and ECNL are nearly identical”

Yep, totally agree.

“- If your kid is a once in a lifetime soccer talent other clubs, other leagues, colleges, and pros will find them no matter where they play”

I am not confident this is accurate, but I’ll agree.

“- For 99% of the players it doesn't matter where you play they'll end up in the same place”

100% wrong. Full stop. This trope that coaches are out there scouring the earth for players is simply wrong. For girls soccer, coaches have limited time and budget. Coaches know they can get enough of the talent they need from going to ECNL and GA tournaments/showcases and a few big club private showcases to fill their slots. College coaches wsnt to win, but it’s a churn business. They have 30 kids on the roster, 1/4 of them will graduate each year. The season is stupid short and brutal. Healthy bodies are almost as important as talent at the end of the season.

If your daughter wants to play upper D1 or high level D3 the chances of breaking through playing NPL or E64 are diminishingly small. My kid has friends who were probably as hood as she was, but they didn’t make the jump to ECNL/GA. A few belatedly tried to get a College spot, but the only interest was from D3 schools just looking for bodies.

My kids are not once in a lifetime talents. they both are good, one hit all met honorable mention and got UNited Coaches player of the week, but no call ups or huge honors. Without a chance to be seen by College coaches over and over, my kid isn’t playing in college today. As a parent, I would be fine with that, but it was her dream and i supported her. ECNL and GA are tools that help support that goal.

lol.. college coaches will get who they want, doesn’t matter the league. Yes ECNL showcases may have more coaches attend, but overall coaches will come see who they want, no matter the league.

LOL all you want, but the numbers don't lie:

#ECNL -575 (72.6%)
#GirlsAcademy -166 (21%)
All Others -27 (3.4%)
🇨🇦 -24 (3%)

There's a higher than 0% chance for non ECNL/GA kids of course, but not much higher.....

That’s class of 25. 792 commits across 330+ D1 programs. There are literally thousands more that will happen in the next year. It’s like 20% of the class. Plenty of non ECNL/GA players will go D1. I literally know like 5 D1 players that came from EDP and I barely know anyone in that age group, since my kids are younger.

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Anonymous wrote:This is one big game of chess and ECNL is running out of moves

ECNL is fine for now but MLSN is the top league for boys. If MLSN cared about dominating the youth soccer market they easily could.

ECNL girls is also fine for now but parents are starting to figure out that GA is the same thing. The only difference is the clubs involved.

The big unknown right now is if/how NWSL will partner with youth soccer. A working framework has been established by MLS and implemented via MLSN. Logically if NWSL was to follow MLSs footsteps they’d partner with GA and create NWSLN. If this was to happen there would be 20+ ECNL to GA defections year one.

That bolded part is so wrong.....

792 D1 verbal commitments for the 2025 class & breakdown by platform.

#ECNL -575 (72.6%)
#GirlsAcademy -166 (21%)
All Others -27 (3.4%)
🇨🇦 -24 (3%)

There’s a twitter handle that is tracking all this.

Are the above ECNL numbers just girls? I don’t doubt that ECNL girls has more D1 commitments than GA girls, even proportionately to the number of players / teams, but 3.5:1 doesn’t seem right. 575 ECNL boys and girls and 166 GA girls makes more sense to me.

It might be right. The number of ECNL Boys class of 25 D1 commits is probably in the single digits.

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Anonymous wrote:This is one big game of chess and ECNL is running out of moves

ECNL is fine for now but MLSN is the top league for boys. If MLSN cared about dominating the youth soccer market they easily could.

ECNL girls is also fine for now but parents are starting to figure out that GA is the same thing. The only difference is the clubs involved.

The big unknown right now is if/how NWSL will partner with youth soccer. A working framework has been established by MLS and implemented via MLSN. Logically if NWSL was to follow MLSs footsteps they’d partner with GA and create NWSLN. If this was to happen there would be 20+ ECNL to GA defections year one.

That bolded part is so wrong.....

792 D1 verbal commitments for the 2025 class & breakdown by platform.

#ECNL -575 (72.6%)
#GirlsAcademy -166 (21%)
All Others -27 (3.4%)
🇨🇦 -24 (3%)

There’s a twitter handle that is tracking all this.

How many players are in ECNL and how many are in GA? The above numbers are meaningless without the denominators.

No matter how you try to defend it, there's not 3-4 times the number of girls in ECNL than GA. Maybe 25% more girls. But over three times the number of D1 committs. And that ratio gets more pronounced next year as the better teams move from GA to ECNL....

Keep trying to spread fud.

ECNL added 4 clubs and GA added 10 the number of college commits from each league wont change.

Bookmark this and come back in a year and you'll eat your words.

Ok ECNL homer.

Oh by the way why is there so many female soccer players in the transfer portal? Since so many of them came from ECNL clubs is it because they're just not good enough?

Most kids want to post commitment pics on ig and they take offers even when school is not a good fit. Some of these kids know they will be entering the transfer portal before a signing.

So they know that they're not good enough for a team and planning to join the transfer portal before they even attend classes at a college?

That makes no sense.

They “know” they don’t like the school but get FOMO. The transfer portal has all kind of players. Didn’t you see UNC top players transferring to other colleges? So don’t assume that only kids that don’t get playing time are the only ones in the portal.