Anonymous
05/26/2015 20:28
Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
At least the Kartrashians get therapy for their children and after this I think they love and care for them far more than the Duggars, same exploitation though.
Anonymous
05/26/2015 20:27
Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
"It's not a witch hunt. It's a protest against rape enablers and rape culture. I could give a shit about Christians who obtain therapy for their children. The Duggars didn't. They are monsters.
"Jim Bob and Michelle are getting the scorn and disgust they deserve. "
This is a smear campaign. These statements are disgusting and not true.
Truly horrible.
Honestly, the entire Quiverful movement and its beliefs should be exposed to the general public. Not in a smear campaign, but in an honest expose about how endemic sexual abuse is, and how the victims are blamed.
It does seem to have a very population of molesters and child predators. Just in this story alone there is Josh, the Gothard guy who ran the renovation place, and the state trooper with the kiddie porn problem.
Anonymous
05/26/2015 20:26
Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
Anonymous wrote:PP -- the Duggars are heartbroken this happened and they dealt with it in a dignified and responsible manner. the way they handled it allowed their family to survive. Josh has not re-offended. The sisters seem okay. Josh also survived and has a family of his own. What -- he should be thrown in jail for life? Killed? What?
What the heck is it that you all want from this family?
It is as if you are all saying - ha ha ha they are a bunch of idiots and deserve all this.
Bad stuff happens in the best of families.
This family handled it well.
Leave them alone.
We want them off our tee vees.
Anonymous
05/26/2015 20:25
Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure why people are shocked that a parenting board would sympathize in many ways with the difficulty the Duggars faced being parents to not only the victims but the perpetrator as well. It isn't about being Quiverfull, Conservative, or even Liberal. It is about being parents.
I have a SN child. I have spent a fortune on outside therapists. I don't sympathize with them. They should have sought real, professional help for their children, not swept it all under the rug. Shame on them for continuing to procreate when they couldn't handle parenting the children they had.
Anonymous
05/26/2015 20:23
Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
You don't think Jim Bob and Michelle deserve scorn and disgust for not seeking professional counseling for their molested daughters and their sexually-disturbed son?
Anonymous
05/26/2015 20:23
Subject: Re:Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
You know what? Live by the sword die by the sword.
Call a generalized group of the population a danger to children while your own son is a child molester? Profit from your wholesome image when you protected your son's worth and well being over your daughters? Be assholes to people based on who they love while your son sought intimacy with his own sister?
You deserve to die a humiliating public "death" as people do a snoopy dance of "I knew it" on your "grave".
Call a generalized group of the population a danger to children while your own son is a child molester? Profit from your wholesome image when you protected your son's worth and well being over your daughters? Be assholes to people based on who they love while your son sought intimacy with his own sister?
You deserve to die a humiliating public "death" as people do a snoopy dance of "I knew it" on your "grave".
Anonymous
05/26/2015 20:23
Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
I'm not sure why people are shocked that a parenting board would sympathize in many ways with the difficulty the Duggars faced being parents to not only the victims but the perpetrator as well. It isn't about being Quiverfull, Conservative, or even Liberal. It is about being parents.
Anonymous
05/26/2015 20:22
Subject: Re:Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
Anonymous wrote:I think they should stay on the air. It's an opportunity for them to actually discuss what happened and refer back to it. The Duggars have liked to focus on the mistakes they made, largely limited to Michele having a boyfriend before Jim-Bob (from which she carried "a lot of baggage") and the couple using birth control before they had Josh. This would allow them to talk about something deeply shameful and shocking. They might not have dealt with it well, but just talking about how they dealt with it -- having the sisters talk about how it affected them -- would be useful.
My guess is, however, the Duggars won't want to discuss this anymore. They tried to bury the report, they never mentioned any vague skeletons in their closet, nothing. So my sense is that the Duggars themselves will opt out of the show.
Would you want to talk about how your brother molested you on national television?
If Jim Bob, Michelle and Josh want to have a Very Special Episode where they discuss their poor choices and encourage people to seek real psychological counseling and help, and donate their usual pay to a victim's advocacy group, then that might be a good start. But forcing the victims to be involved? No.
Anonymous
05/26/2015 20:21
Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
Anonymous wrote:
"It's not a witch hunt. It's a protest against rape enablers and rape culture. I could give a shit about Christians who obtain therapy for their children. The Duggars didn't. They are monsters.
"Jim Bob and Michelle are getting the scorn and disgust they deserve. "
This is a smear campaign. These statements are disgusting and not true.
Truly horrible.
Honestly, the entire Quiverful movement and its beliefs should be exposed to the general public. Not in a smear campaign, but in an honest expose about how endemic sexual abuse is, and how the victims are blamed.
Anonymous
05/26/2015 20:20
Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"It is horrible. It is a smear campaign simply because they are fundamental Christians and don't support Gay marriage. Who cares if they don't support gay marriage? I don't care. They believe in traditional marriage. This doesn't mean that they are hypocrites or support child molestation. Geez."
PP, it might be a smear campaign, but they have opened their own door there. I've watched the show for the last two seasons, and I was really sort of starting to like them. They seem happy (at least some of them do). If they just left it at a show of one happy huge family, this might be different. But they haven't. They can believe in whatever they want, but they don't leave it there. They lobby with the goal that we should ALL have to live by their beliefs. They are attempting to force their beliefs on everyone else. That's their goal. So that's why they're hypocrites, acting like the gay community are dangerous to children when the only one molesting children from their standpoint is sitting within their own family.
I watched the show too and that is why I am supporting the Duggars. If you actually watch the show, you will see that they are a very nice family and they DO NOT shove their religion down anyone's throat.
They hardly even mention religion on the show. I remember one episode where the father talked to a church and they have featured mission trips to help poor communities in other countries by building stuff for them.
the parents seems sincere and responsible and easy going. The kids are nice. Not to mention they are all very photogenic.
This post is a parody, right?
I'm the PP the Duggar supporter is responding to. I do in fact watch the show because I'm fascinated by them. I said I was beginning to like them, I don't have any animosity toward them for their religious beliefs. But PP, you are way off. Mission trips are exactly about converting people. That's the point of them, so the fact that they're on these trips, they're trying to get people to believe what they believe. You don't honestly think that the help they are (admittedly) giving people doesn't come with a healthy dose of Bible study, do you? And the garden-variety part of the show of them hanging out with other people? They hang out with people who believe exactly what they believe, there's no need to shove anything down anyone's throat. Everyone already drank that Kool-Aid.
But you're right, they are all ridiculously photogenic. I'll give you that one.
Anonymous
05/26/2015 20:20
Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
"It's not a witch hunt. It's a protest against rape enablers and rape culture. I could give a shit about Christians who obtain therapy for their children. The Duggars didn't. They are monsters.
"Jim Bob and Michelle are getting the scorn and disgust they deserve. "
This is a smear campaign. These statements are disgusting and not true.
Truly horrible.
Anonymous
05/26/2015 20:20
Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
Anonymous wrote:PP -- the Duggars are heartbroken this happened and they dealt with it in a dignified and responsible manner. the way they handled it allowed their family to survive. Josh has not re-offended. The sisters seem okay. Josh also survived and has a family of his own. What -- he should be thrown in jail for life? Killed? What?
What the heck is it that you all want from this family?
It is as if you are all saying - ha ha ha they are a bunch of idiots and deserve all this.
Bad stuff happens in the best of families.
This family handled it well.
Leave them alone.
You're right that there's no evidence that he re-offended/continued to offend after a year of offending and at least two confessions. However, since none of the victims ever told on him, how would we know? They didn't tell the first times, why would they tell again after that?
Anonymous
05/26/2015 20:19
Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They are Bible literalists. Who fucking cares?
I don't care at all. Most religions are silly. I am not religious but I don't attack people simply because I disagree with their religion.
But they pick and choose. I would have more respect if they followed every single thing the Bible says to do. At least it would be logically consistent. Shrug.
Prove what understanding you have of their religion before you accuse them of picking and choosing which parts of it to follow. Show me how you are an expert on the religion that the duggars follow, I bet you can't/wont.
I don't give a fuck about their religion as long as they don't try to force it down MY throat. I know it is impossible for any person to follow every single law, commandment and instruction in the old and new testaments. The Bible is inconsistent and all Christian religions selectively ignore the parts they don't like.
You really just contradicted yourself a whole bunch there. Your so angry that you're incoherent. And no, the duggars didn't shove their religion down anyone's throats, and if you thought they were, nobody was forcing you to watch!
When the Duggars use their fame from the show to make robo calls and protest about trans laws, they are shoving their religion down people's throats.
+1.
Anonymous
05/26/2015 20:19
Subject: Re:Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
I think they should stay on the air. It's an opportunity for them to actually discuss what happened and refer back to it. The Duggars have liked to focus on the mistakes they made, largely limited to Michele having a boyfriend before Jim-Bob (from which she carried "a lot of baggage") and the couple using birth control before they had Josh. This would allow them to talk about something deeply shameful and shocking. They might not have dealt with it well, but just talking about how they dealt with it -- having the sisters talk about how it affected them -- would be useful.
My guess is, however, the Duggars won't want to discuss this anymore. They tried to bury the report, they never mentioned any vague skeletons in their closet, nothing. So my sense is that the Duggars themselves will opt out of the show.
My guess is, however, the Duggars won't want to discuss this anymore. They tried to bury the report, they never mentioned any vague skeletons in their closet, nothing. So my sense is that the Duggars themselves will opt out of the show.
Anonymous
05/26/2015 20:18
Subject: Duggar son allegedly molested girls including sisters
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Another huge lie:
the Duggars do not say that everyone should live by their beliefs.
It is you liberals who say that everyone must live by your ideas - that gay marriage is okay and promiscuity is fine and pre-marital sex with many partner is ideal.
You are the ones shoving your "religion" down people's throats.
Wow, because I support equal treatment of LGBT, conservative people are now forced to be homosexual? They are forced to have premarital sex? They are forced to be transgender? I haven't seen any of that.
You are tarring and feathering the Duggars because they support traditional marriage. So what?! They do NOT SUPPORT CHILD MOLESTATION. If they supported child molestation, of course, we should put the show off the air.
If Warren Jeffs' family had a reality tv show, and then it was discovered that he was molesting children and promoting child marriage, of course that show should be cancelled.
The Duggars' situation is completely different. Their son molested (his sisters probably) when he was a young teen. The Duggars DID NOT TELL HIM TO DO THIS. You are all acting like Christian Fundamentalism = teaching teens to molest their siblings.
Your "logic" makes no sense. What is really and truly happening is you are all just gleeful that this family has problems so you can blame it all on their religion, which you do not agree with.
I say - mind your own business. If you don't like their religion, don't join it. If you don't like the show, don't watch it.
Christian evangelicals and fundamentalists minimize child molestation. They blame the victims. They emotionally abuse victims by demanding that they forgive their abuser. In every sense, the Duggars have revictimized these girls.
It's not a witch hunt. It's a protest against rape enablers and rape culture. I could give a shit about Christians who obtain therapy for their children. The Duggars didn't. They are monsters.
BTW, I pretty much had the same thing to say about Lena Dunham.