Anonymous wrote:You can call me scumbag of the society or whatever javascript:emoticon('');
I bought a WISC sample test, and let my DC go over it a couple of times.
(I think it was like $100? Took only a couple of days for review)
DC is thriving in AAP.

please. Who isn't?

It may be one poster or it may be a few who cannot seem to grasp the difference between "test prep" and playing educational games with their children.

If ones conscience is so clear, there is no need for all this arguing with people who have a different ethical standard.

You can call me scumbag of the society or whatever javascript:emoticon('');
I bought a WISC sample test, and let my DC go over it a couple of times.
(I think it was like $100? Took only a couple of days for review)
DC is thriving in AAP.

Prepping for the CogAT would be like working on one subskill: buying spring loaded running shoes to sprint faster in the tryout

Are you then advocating that everyone race in bare feet like the Kenyans and Ethiopians? Who do you think will win that race? Will you put your 401K savings on that bet?

There are lots of times in life when we have to choose between the ethical and the unethical. Sometimes, there might not be a rule but we have to decide on a course of action using previous and/or similar situations as a guide.

One such analogy here is that the WISC and similar tests are not to be given to students who have recently been given that test because the results are then confounded and are not reliable. Doing practice tests as drills will have the same effect, thus making the resulting scores unreliable and not terribly useful.

Would my play with my children for 45 min BID (morning and evening) be considered a drill? We play multiplication games and creative games with polygons and convex and concave shapes, different patterns (much like the Raven) word games (analogies, antonyms and synonyms). We have been doing this activity daily for years now with ongoing escalating the difficulty. As a family we enjoy these activities. One of my kids told me he found WPSSI, WISC and COGAT tests so easy by comparison because all the tasks were very familiar to him. I am wondering whether what I enjoy with my children ...theis practise, drill or prep was cheating?

There are lots of times in life when we have to choose between the ethical and the unethical. Sometimes, there might not be a rule but we have to decide on a course of action using previous and/or similar situations as a guide.

One such analogy here is that the WISC and similar tests are not to be given to students who have recently been given that test because the results are then confounded and are not reliable. Doing practice tests as drills will have the same effect, thus making the resulting scores unreliable and not terribly useful.

Is it ok for me as a parent for me to extensively review polygons, shapes, patterns using legos, analogy, word and number games 2 weeks leading up to the CoGAT test since this is not a practise exam or test?
Is there a window before the CoGAT that such play and game activities is prohibited?

no, prepping for the CogAt to get into AAP would be analagous to getting the team, not being the best in the league. I think you'd flunk the Miller Analogies test.

One thing is certain. The poster you are referring to has left such a convincing trail of evidence and body of work betraying attainment of the average educational rung in Fairfax County. I only hope, for her sake, her children are more fortunate.

Prepping for the CogAT would be like working on one subskill: buying spring loaded running shoes to sprint faster in the tryout.

There are lots of times in life when we have to choose between the ethical and the unethical. Sometimes, there might not be a rule but we have to decide on a course of action using previous and/or similar situations as a guide.

One such analogy here is that the WISC and similar tests are not to be given to students who have recently been given that test because the results are then confounded and are not reliable. Doing practice tests as drills will have the same effect, thus making the resulting scores unreliable and not terribly useful.

Great analogy: youth prepping for their driving license is more likely to yield safer and more proficient drivers as prepping for elementary school studies, tests and CoGAT is likely to yield smarter, more intelligent and proficient academic students.

It is different. Prepping for the CogAT by using sample questions is akin to forging a birth certificate so an older kid can play on a younger travel team. It is like the elite athlete trying to be the best by taking Human Growth Hormones. It is like the mucisian using a recorded piece instead of a live piece at a concert.

Good Lord. Jesus Christ. Youngsters prepping for their driver's license exam is the same as forging a birth certificate or taking growth hormone? Crazed indeed.

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Anonymous wrote:My analogy is appropriate. And others are reposting, not me. You want to cheat. Fine. Just admit it. You will prep for the specific goal of increasing the score to get into AAP. Admit that. You will do what it takes.

If your kid was a sports player, you would do what you could to make them the best in the league.

no, prepping for the CogAt to get into AAP would be analagous to getting the team, not being the best in the league. I think you'd flunk the Miller Analogies test.

sorry - meant "getting on the team."

Anonymous wrote:My analogy is appropriate. And others are reposting, not me. You want to cheat. Fine. Just admit it. You will prep for the specific goal of increasing the score to get into AAP. Admit that. You will do what it takes.

If your kid was a sports player, you would do what you could to make them the best in the league.

no, prepping for the CogAt to get into AAP would be analagous to getting the team, not being the best in the league. I think you'd flunk the Miller Analogies test.

What a wonderful world we would have if all young children prepped for their lessons and tests. This is the best route to close the infamous "gap". Education bureaucrats should aim to achieve this goal. It is the only noble goal left for a suspect, fraying, and inequitable US public education system. I vote for the creation of incentives to "test pep" throughout elementary school. "Test prep"="Life prep".

My analogy is appropriate. And others are reposting, not me. You want to cheat. Fine. Just admit it. You will prep for the specific goal of increasing the score to get into AAP. Admit that. You will do what it takes.

If your kid was a sports player, you would do what you could to make them the best in the league.