Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Washington Post just published an editorial on a new scientific theory about weight gain that is fascinating, and pretty supportive of the material in the original article from this thread: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/28/obesity-carbohydrates-insulin-calories-fat/

In particular, this:

"This is a different model of obesity, the carbohydrate-insulin model. This theory puts the blame for rising levels of obesity on the processed, fast-digesting carbs that flooded our diets during the low-fat diet craze — white bread, white rice, prepared breakfast cereals, potato products and sugary foods. It posits that consumption of these carbohydrates raises insulin levels too high and produces other hormonal changes that program our body to store extra fat.

Looked at this way, obesity isn’t an overeating problem, it’s a calorie distribution problem — too many calories from each meal being siphoned off into fat tissue and too few remaining in the blood to satisfy the energy needs of the body. Consequently, our brains make us feel hungrier sooner after eating to compensate for those sequestered calories. If we try to ignore hunger and restrict calories, the body conserves energy by slowing metabolism. In this sense, obesity is a state of starvation amid plenty."

It’s not just highly processed carbs though. It’s all carbs. The highly processed stuff is just more prevalent. I’ve been maintaining my weight and adding back in things like baked potato, sweet potatoes, brown rice or whole wheat bread will bring my weight back up too. To maintain my weight I still need to just get my carbs from low or lower carb veggies and fruit like spinach, cabbage, lettuce, tomatoes, peppers, zucchini, asparagus, raspberries, strawberries etc.

No, it isn't all carbs - we've known for years that different types of carbs affect our blood sugar in different ways (see the glycemic index). The theory here is that certain carbs - including most highly processed foods - are what messes with insulin and other hormones. And then of *everything* you eat, more is stored as fat than is necessary. And once those hormones are out of whack, they may never go back, which is why all carbs cause you to gain weight. But its only certain carbs that trigger the changes to begin with.

Thank s thank s t true, it’s all carbs once you consume enough.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Washington Post just published an editorial on a new scientific theory about weight gain that is fascinating, and pretty supportive of the material in the original article from this thread: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/28/obesity-carbohydrates-insulin-calories-fat/

In particular, this:

"This is a different model of obesity, the carbohydrate-insulin model. This theory puts the blame for rising levels of obesity on the processed, fast-digesting carbs that flooded our diets during the low-fat diet craze — white bread, white rice, prepared breakfast cereals, potato products and sugary foods. It posits that consumption of these carbohydrates raises insulin levels too high and produces other hormonal changes that program our body to store extra fat.

Looked at this way, obesity isn’t an overeating problem, it’s a calorie distribution problem — too many calories from each meal being siphoned off into fat tissue and too few remaining in the blood to satisfy the energy needs of the body. Consequently, our brains make us feel hungrier sooner after eating to compensate for those sequestered calories. If we try to ignore hunger and restrict calories, the body conserves energy by slowing metabolism. In this sense, obesity is a state of starvation amid plenty."

It’s not just highly processed carbs though. It’s all carbs. The highly processed stuff is just more prevalent. I’ve been maintaining my weight and adding back in things like baked potato, sweet potatoes, brown rice or whole wheat bread will bring my weight back up too. To maintain my weight I still need to just get my carbs from low or lower carb veggies and fruit like spinach, cabbage, lettuce, tomatoes, peppers, zucchini, asparagus, raspberries, strawberries etc.

No, it isn't all carbs - we've known for years that different types of carbs affect our blood sugar in different ways (see the glycemic index). The theory here is that certain carbs - including most highly processed foods - are what messes with insulin and other hormones. And then of *everything* you eat, more is stored as fat than is necessary. And once those hormones are out of whack, they may never go back, which is why all carbs cause you to gain weight. But its only certain carbs that trigger the changes to begin with.

but that is also individual. A majority of the world lives on rice and yams/potatoes right?

You really cannot make that direct comparison between rest of the world and the dietary staples of the USA if you're just talking carbs. It's just unhelpful.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Washington Post just published an editorial on a new scientific theory about weight gain that is fascinating, and pretty supportive of the material in the original article from this thread: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/28/obesity-carbohydrates-insulin-calories-fat/

In particular, this:

"This is a different model of obesity, the carbohydrate-insulin model. This theory puts the blame for rising levels of obesity on the processed, fast-digesting carbs that flooded our diets during the low-fat diet craze — white bread, white rice, prepared breakfast cereals, potato products and sugary foods. It posits that consumption of these carbohydrates raises insulin levels too high and produces other hormonal changes that program our body to store extra fat.

Looked at this way, obesity isn’t an overeating problem, it’s a calorie distribution problem — too many calories from each meal being siphoned off into fat tissue and too few remaining in the blood to satisfy the energy needs of the body. Consequently, our brains make us feel hungrier sooner after eating to compensate for those sequestered calories. If we try to ignore hunger and restrict calories, the body conserves energy by slowing metabolism. In this sense, obesity is a state of starvation amid plenty."

It’s not just highly processed carbs though. It’s all carbs. The highly processed stuff is just more prevalent. I’ve been maintaining my weight and adding back in things like baked potato, sweet potatoes, brown rice or whole wheat bread will bring my weight back up too. To maintain my weight I still need to just get my carbs from low or lower carb veggies and fruit like spinach, cabbage, lettuce, tomatoes, peppers, zucchini, asparagus, raspberries, strawberries etc.

No, it isn't all carbs - we've known for years that different types of carbs affect our blood sugar in different ways (see the glycemic index). The theory here is that certain carbs - including most highly processed foods - are what messes with insulin and other hormones. And then of *everything* you eat, more is stored as fat than is necessary. And once those hormones are out of whack, they may never go back, which is why all carbs cause you to gain weight. But its only certain carbs that trigger the changes to begin with.

but that is also individual. A majority of the world lives on rice and yams/potatoes right?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Washington Post just published an editorial on a new scientific theory about weight gain that is fascinating, and pretty supportive of the material in the original article from this thread: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/28/obesity-carbohydrates-insulin-calories-fat/

In particular, this:

"This is a different model of obesity, the carbohydrate-insulin model. This theory puts the blame for rising levels of obesity on the processed, fast-digesting carbs that flooded our diets during the low-fat diet craze — white bread, white rice, prepared breakfast cereals, potato products and sugary foods. It posits that consumption of these carbohydrates raises insulin levels too high and produces other hormonal changes that program our body to store extra fat.

Looked at this way, obesity isn’t an overeating problem, it’s a calorie distribution problem — too many calories from each meal being siphoned off into fat tissue and too few remaining in the blood to satisfy the energy needs of the body. Consequently, our brains make us feel hungrier sooner after eating to compensate for those sequestered calories. If we try to ignore hunger and restrict calories, the body conserves energy by slowing metabolism. In this sense, obesity is a state of starvation amid plenty."

It’s not just highly processed carbs though. It’s all carbs. The highly processed stuff is just more prevalent. I’ve been maintaining my weight and adding back in things like baked potato, sweet potatoes, brown rice or whole wheat bread will bring my weight back up too. To maintain my weight I still need to just get my carbs from low or lower carb veggies and fruit like spinach, cabbage, lettuce, tomatoes, peppers, zucchini, asparagus, raspberries, strawberries etc.

No, it isn't all carbs - we've known for years that different types of carbs affect our blood sugar in different ways (see the glycemic index). The theory here is that certain carbs - including most highly processed foods - are what messes with insulin and other hormones. And then of *everything* you eat, more is stored as fat than is necessary. And once those hormones are out of whack, they may never go back, which is why all carbs cause you to gain weight. But its only certain carbs that trigger the changes to begin with.

Anonymous wrote:The Washington Post just published an editorial on a new scientific theory about weight gain that is fascinating, and pretty supportive of the material in the original article from this thread: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/28/obesity-carbohydrates-insulin-calories-fat/

In particular, this:

"This is a different model of obesity, the carbohydrate-insulin model. This theory puts the blame for rising levels of obesity on the processed, fast-digesting carbs that flooded our diets during the low-fat diet craze — white bread, white rice, prepared breakfast cereals, potato products and sugary foods. It posits that consumption of these carbohydrates raises insulin levels too high and produces other hormonal changes that program our body to store extra fat.

Looked at this way, obesity isn’t an overeating problem, it’s a calorie distribution problem — too many calories from each meal being siphoned off into fat tissue and too few remaining in the blood to satisfy the energy needs of the body. Consequently, our brains make us feel hungrier sooner after eating to compensate for those sequestered calories. If we try to ignore hunger and restrict calories, the body conserves energy by slowing metabolism. In this sense, obesity is a state of starvation amid plenty."

It’s not just highly processed carbs though. It’s all carbs. The highly processed stuff is just more prevalent. I’ve been maintaining my weight and adding back in things like baked potato, sweet potatoes, brown rice or whole wheat bread will bring my weight back up too. To maintain my weight I still need to just get my carbs from low or lower carb veggies and fruit like spinach, cabbage, lettuce, tomatoes, peppers, zucchini, asparagus, raspberries, strawberries etc.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obesity will be cured/treatable in our lifetime. Eli Lilly’s got a new drug coming out in 2024 that is twice as effective as the one that just hit the market (Mounjaro). Really wild stuff. So worry not, fat-shamers, you won’t have to look at the fatties that much longer. Not sure how you’ll feed your superiority complex then, but that’s not my business.

Oooh really any articles?

NP

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-we-know-about-eli-lillys-experimental-weight-loss-drug

'Experts say the findings are interesting but it likely will not be a silver bullet to end obesity."

Fat people need to stop overeating. Drugs are not the answer.

I’m curious what your real issue is.

Is it overeating? Because many thin people also overeat, they just have faster metabolisms.

Is it because you’re concerned about the health crisis? Because that affects everyone, not just people with larger bodies. My dad was very thin yet still had a heart attack in his 40s and needed multiple operations.

Is it because you don’t like looking at fat people? That’s your own personal issue to deal with.

We make moral judgements on what people eat based on what they look like. Thin people are disciplined, fat people are failures. When it’s not so black and white. I know people who eat extremely healthy who are still fat. I know very thin people who are incredibly unhealthy. Fitness models may be some of the unhealthiest people on the planet, between the PEDs, restrictive diet cycles, and intense exercise. Yet we praise them for doing it “right”.

You need to figure out what your actual problem is with. If it’s concern over health - shaming and giving people black and white solutions are actually worse for their health if you never said anything. Fat people have WORSE health because of the stigma.

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/15/1073232.page

This poster has lost lots of weight thru IF but now she’s a bad mom for wanting to make lunch at 1130!

So many ways to fail!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obesity will be cured/treatable in our lifetime. Eli Lilly’s got a new drug coming out in 2024 that is twice as effective as the one that just hit the market (Mounjaro). Really wild stuff. So worry not, fat-shamers, you won’t have to look at the fatties that much longer. Not sure how you’ll feed your superiority complex then, but that’s not my business.

Oooh really any articles?

NP

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-we-know-about-eli-lillys-experimental-weight-loss-drug

'Experts say the findings are interesting but it likely will not be a silver bullet to end obesity."

Fat people need to stop overeating. Drugs are not the answer.

LOL cope

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obesity will be cured/treatable in our lifetime. Eli Lilly’s got a new drug coming out in 2024 that is twice as effective as the one that just hit the market (Mounjaro). Really wild stuff. So worry not, fat-shamers, you won’t have to look at the fatties that much longer. Not sure how you’ll feed your superiority complex then, but that’s not my business.

Oooh really any articles?

NP

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-we-know-about-eli-lillys-experimental-weight-loss-drug

'Experts say the findings are interesting but it likely will not be a silver bullet to end obesity."

Fat people need to stop overeating. Drugs are not the answer.

Wow that’s some real wisdom you dropped. I bet no overweight or obese person has ever ate less or dieted before.

Anonymous wrote:The Washington Post just published an editorial on a new scientific theory about weight gain that is fascinating, and pretty supportive of the material in the original article from this thread: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/28/obesity-carbohydrates-insulin-calories-fat/

In particular, this:

"This is a different model of obesity, the carbohydrate-insulin model. This theory puts the blame for rising levels of obesity on the processed, fast-digesting carbs that flooded our diets during the low-fat diet craze — white bread, white rice, prepared breakfast cereals, potato products and sugary foods. It posits that consumption of these carbohydrates raises insulin levels too high and produces other hormonal changes that program our body to store extra fat.

Looked at this way, obesity isn’t an overeating problem, it’s a calorie distribution problem — too many calories from each meal being siphoned off into fat tissue and too few remaining in the blood to satisfy the energy needs of the body. Consequently, our brains make us feel hungrier sooner after eating to compensate for those sequestered calories. If we try to ignore hunger and restrict calories, the body conserves energy by slowing metabolism. In this sense, obesity is a state of starvation amid plenty."

That sounds a lot like what Gary Taubes wrote in "Why We Get Fat."

The Washington Post just published an editorial on a new scientific theory about weight gain that is fascinating, and pretty supportive of the material in the original article from this thread: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/28/obesity-carbohydrates-insulin-calories-fat/

In particular, this:

"This is a different model of obesity, the carbohydrate-insulin model. This theory puts the blame for rising levels of obesity on the processed, fast-digesting carbs that flooded our diets during the low-fat diet craze — white bread, white rice, prepared breakfast cereals, potato products and sugary foods. It posits that consumption of these carbohydrates raises insulin levels too high and produces other hormonal changes that program our body to store extra fat.

Looked at this way, obesity isn’t an overeating problem, it’s a calorie distribution problem — too many calories from each meal being siphoned off into fat tissue and too few remaining in the blood to satisfy the energy needs of the body. Consequently, our brains make us feel hungrier sooner after eating to compensate for those sequestered calories. If we try to ignore hunger and restrict calories, the body conserves energy by slowing metabolism. In this sense, obesity is a state of starvation amid plenty."

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obesity will be cured/treatable in our lifetime. Eli Lilly’s got a new drug coming out in 2024 that is twice as effective as the one that just hit the market (Mounjaro). Really wild stuff. So worry not, fat-shamers, you won’t have to look at the fatties that much longer. Not sure how you’ll feed your superiority complex then, but that’s not my business.

Oooh really any articles?

NP

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-we-know-about-eli-lillys-experimental-weight-loss-drug

'Experts say the findings are interesting but it likely will not be a silver bullet to end obesity."

Fat people need to stop overeating. Drugs are not the answer.

Anonymous wrote:Obesity will be cured/treatable in our lifetime. Eli Lilly’s got a new drug coming out in 2024 that is twice as effective as the one that just hit the market (Mounjaro). Really wild stuff. So worry not, fat-shamers, you won’t have to look at the fatties that much longer. Not sure how you’ll feed your superiority complex then, but that’s not my business.

Oooh really any articles?

Obesity will be cured/treatable in our lifetime. Eli Lilly’s got a new drug coming out in 2024 that is twice as effective as the one that just hit the market (Mounjaro). Really wild stuff. So worry not, fat-shamers, you won’t have to look at the fatties that much longer. Not sure how you’ll feed your superiority complex then, but that’s not my business.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For me, I’m 48 and weigh myself weekly. I work to make good choices just about every day. I focus on fruits and vegetables and low fat meats. I force myself to walk 10k steps a day and lift weights three times a week. I don’t unnecessarily limit myself but it’s constantly on my mind. My bmi is 21 or so. It’s not easy. It’s not fun. It’s a choice.

I was you prepandemic. I walked up the escalators during my commute. Worked out hard at the gym three times a week. Then the pandemic happened. I cooked everything my family ate. Ate more. And after many more sweets. Stopped going to the gym. Six months in I had a BMI that is obese. It is hard to loose weight from here. And I have a lifetime habit of eating well, exercising and being thin. So feel good about being you. But maybe you are one life crisis away from experiencing the pull of refined sugar and carbs. I never thought it would be me and here I am.

Kind of similar story for me. Gained 10 lbs during covid and trying to get back down now before it gets worse...