Anonymous
06/16/2016 08:52
Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
I disagree people would not congregate in the beach if they knew gators were in the water. You're fine on the beach. Plenty of Disney visitors who know about gators still feel safe ON the beach. But they would *not go in the water* which you are told not to do anyway. Watching fireworks on some sand is safe- swimming or wading off the shoreline during animal feeding time is not.
Anonymous
06/16/2016 08:51
Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I still don't blame the parents at all, but every time I see that water I'm just amazed people could look at it and think it was safe to play in. Snakes, gators, bugs, etc. Maybe Disney also assumed that everyone understood you don't go in brackish freshwater ponds in Florida, particularly at night? I accept now that many people don't know this but until so many of you said you didn't I thought it was common knowledge, like don't stand under a tree or hold metal in a lightning storm. The no swimming signs if they're updated at all will need to list many reasons besides just gators why you shouldn't be in that water and I just have to think Disney until now held all those to be self evident.
Nope. It was a calculated decision by disney to forego posting warning signs.
I posted earlier a link to disney's signs on the beaches at their private island in castaway cay/bahamas. The signs are big, and they include a laundry list of dangerous sea life (sharks, sea lice, etc.). They are posted by every entrance/path to the beach.
If they are warning people about sharks---which is common knowledge---then why not gators? Particularly since nobody would expect to see a gator in a man made resort area or amusement park.
An island in the Bahamas is not the same as a brackish trash pond in Florida. Give me a break. You're trying to compare two disparate environments.
But Disney created that lagoon to appear to be a beach in the bahamas or some other resort destination. They carted in white sand and palm trees. They put cabanas and lounge areas and volleyball nets on the beach next to the water. They did not leave it natural native swampland. They created this illusion and led people to believe it as a marketing ploy.
Anonymous
06/16/2016 08:49
Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:Article in NYT today about how THREE grown adults have been killed by alligators in FL in the last week, including one woman jogging along a canal in Sunrise FL.
Stories of alligators in Florida are always on the news along the East Coast. Can't believe so many so-called educated people are this clueless.
Anonymous
06/16/2016 08:49
Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I still don't blame the parents at all, but every time I see that water I'm just amazed people could look at it and think it was safe to play in. Snakes, gators, bugs, etc. Maybe Disney also assumed that everyone understood you don't go in brackish freshwater ponds in Florida, particularly at night? I accept now that many people don't know this but until so many of you said you didn't I thought it was common knowledge, like don't stand under a tree or hold metal in a lightning storm. The no swimming signs if they're updated at all will need to list many reasons besides just gators why you shouldn't be in that water and I just have to think Disney until now held all those to be self evident.
Nope. It was a calculated decision by disney to forego posting warning signs.
I posted earlier a link to disney's signs on the beaches at their private island in castaway cay/bahamas. The signs are big, and they include a laundry list of dangerous sea life (sharks, sea lice, etc.). They are posted by every entrance/path to the beach.
If they are warning people about sharks---which is common knowledge---then why not gators? Particularly since nobody would expect to see a gator in a man made resort area or amusement park.
An island in the Bahamas is not the same as a brackish trash pond in Florida. Give me a break. You're trying to compare two disparate environments.
You are both correct and clueless.
Everybody on the planet realizes there are sharks in the ocean...all oceans...and especially in the Bahamas.
Very few people would imagine that man made lagoons by man made beaches at disney resorts where people are encouraged to gather have gators lurking nearby. That child could have been standing on the shoreline without touching the water and a gator could have snatched him...like in the link posted earlier where a father had to run and scoop up his kid on dry land near that lagoon when a gator quickly came out of nowhere.
Once disney posts real warning signs, nobody will set foot on that beach again.
Being utterly clueless doesn't't stop you, does it? The kid got attacked because he was in the water, he would not have been equally at trick on the sand, o
More than a "very few people" expect alligators to be in ponds in Florida.
Reading this thread makes me realize why there are so many deaths in the national park each year. People really think they have no responsibility for their own welfare.
Exactly. So many clueless idiots who are shocked that wild animals are...in the wild.
But disney isn't a national park. It's the most manufactured tourist destination on the planet.
They put lounge chairs by the lagoon and held events by the water...encouraging people to congregate there. Nobody would congregate there for movies and fireworks after dark if they knew there were gators nearby. Disney knows this, and that's why they opted to not warn people.
Anonymous
06/16/2016 08:49
Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:Article in NYT today about how THREE grown adults have been killed by alligators in FL in the last week, including one woman jogging along a canal in Sunrise FL.
All I found was this one from 10 years ago:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/15/us/15alligator.html
Anonymous
06/16/2016 08:48
Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^ a man made lake at Disney World is not in the wild!
Where I'm from, ALL the lakes are man made. That doesn't make them tame. Once made, they turn into regular lakes.
So maybe it's a bad idea to build a lake and then build a bunch of resorts on the side of a fresh water lake in a place where fresh water lakes attract alligators?
And if you do build a resort on the side of a fresh water lake that attracts alligators, maybe it's an even worse idea to build a beach on it and then add lounge chairs and hold outdoor movies on it to encourage people to hang out on the beach at night, when you know that is the time that alligators are most active?
Just sayin....
Anonymous
06/16/2016 08:48
Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^ a man made lake at Disney World is not in the wild!
Where I'm from, ALL the lakes are man made. That doesn't make them tame. Once made, they turn into regular lakes.
Exactly. This isn't a self contained lake. It feeds into other bodies of water in Florida.
Anonymous
06/16/2016 08:47
Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^ a man made lake at Disney World is not in the wild!
Where I'm from, ALL the lakes are man made. That doesn't make them tame. Once made, they turn into regular lakes.
Fair enough. But as someone who doesn't live somewhere where there are gators, can't you admit that a man-made lake at Disney World (where they control every aspect of your experience) might be a surprising place for a gator to grab a kid and carry him off? Certainly the parents of this boy had no idea of the risk. I wouldn't have either and I am not a stupid person. Just someone who doesn't have experience with Gators. And Disney World is probably a place I would relax a little bit with my kids because it is such a manufactured experience.
Anonymous
06/16/2016 08:47
Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Article in NYT today about how THREE grown adults have been killed by alligators in FL in the last week, including one woman jogging along a canal in Sunrise FL.
Anonymous
06/16/2016 08:45
Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:^ a man made lake at Disney World is not in the wild!
Nature disagrees. Animals and bacteria are not repelled from a standing freshwater source because it happens to be on Disney property.
Anonymous
06/16/2016 08:45
Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:^ a man made lake at Disney World is not in the wild!
Where I'm from, ALL the lakes are man made. That doesn't make them tame. Once made, they turn into regular lakes.
Anonymous
06/16/2016 08:41
Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
^ a man made lake at Disney World is not in the wild!
Anonymous
06/16/2016 08:40
Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry--that worry is also filled with brain eating bacteria. The parents were already playing with fire letting their child play in the water.
How would they know this? Plus, wading is not swimming. Anyone would have done the same thing. Of course there should be warning signs about gators. That poor, poor family and that poor child. I can't even think about it.
Ignorance isn't an excuse for doing something dangerous.
Wading in ankle deep water is not dangerous when you are from most parts of the world.
+1. Here's the photo a PP linked to, showing a little boy at the exact spot where Lane Graves was attacked, about a half-hour before that happened. Most people would not consider this to be a dangerous activity.
During the day, I'd wager that wading in the water is fine. At night, no way.
Anonymous
06/16/2016 08:39
Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I still don't blame the parents at all, but every time I see that water I'm just amazed people could look at it and think it was safe to play in. Snakes, gators, bugs, etc. Maybe Disney also assumed that everyone understood you don't go in brackish freshwater ponds in Florida, particularly at night? I accept now that many people don't know this but until so many of you said you didn't I thought it was common knowledge, like don't stand under a tree or hold metal in a lightning storm. The no swimming signs if they're updated at all will need to list many reasons besides just gators why you shouldn't be in that water and I just have to think Disney until now held all those to be self evident.
Nope. It was a calculated decision by disney to forego posting warning signs.
I posted earlier a link to disney's signs on the beaches at their private island in castaway cay/bahamas. The signs are big, and they include a laundry list of dangerous sea life (sharks, sea lice, etc.). They are posted by every entrance/path to the beach.
If they are warning people about sharks---which is common knowledge---then why not gators? Particularly since nobody would expect to see a gator in a man made resort area or amusement park.
An island in the Bahamas is not the same as a brackish trash pond in Florida. Give me a break. You're trying to compare two disparate environments.
You are both correct and clueless.
Everybody on the planet realizes there are sharks in the ocean...all oceans...and especially in the Bahamas.
Very few people would imagine that man made lagoons by man made beaches at disney resorts where people are encouraged to gather have gators lurking nearby. That child could have been standing on the shoreline without touching the water and a gator could have snatched him...like in the link posted earlier where a father had to run and scoop up his kid on dry land near that lagoon when a gator quickly came out of nowhere.
Once disney posts real warning signs, nobody will set foot on that beach again.
Being utterly clueless doesn't't stop you, does it? The kid got attacked because he was in the water, he would not have been equally at trick on the sand, o
More than a "very few people" expect alligators to be in ponds in Florida.
Reading this thread makes me realize why there are so many deaths in the national park each year. People really think they have no responsibility for their own welfare.
Exactly. So many clueless idiots who are shocked that wild animals are...in the wild.
Anonymous
06/16/2016 08:22
Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:I wonder if BOTH kids were in the play pen and the 2 year old climbed out somehow. The parents thought he was safe ...
I thought about that, too.
And I wondered if the family knew about the gators---maybe they had heard about it or seen one---and that's why they brought the playpen?
Because I've never seen someone bring a playpen to such an event. Maybe they knew their toddler was a runner, and that's why they brought the playpen?