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Anonymous wrote:The idea of God simply doesn't resonate with me--and it never has, for whatever reason.

The thing I particularly can't wrap my brain around is why anyone would choose to worship a God who would choose to cause so much suffering to those who very clearly have done nothing wrong. If there is someone up there deciding that a baby should die after living only days, for example, then I think he's not worthy of my adulation.

I also think the idea of God was created to make people feel better. It's really sucky to think a baby would die for no reason, or that when your husband dies you'll never see him again. Humans are designed to find meaning in things. Hence, God.

By who or what?

evolution

This is the PP you are replying to. To me, evolution IS the design, not the designer. It's like saying the assembly line designed products to be like such and such. Someone designed the assembly line for inputs to go in and products to come out of it the way their design intended.

You are saying that the mere existence of something (the assembly line) is a proof that a someone (God) must have designed it. Do you want to be consistent and go one step further and say that the mere existence of the designer implies that someone designed the designer? We can agree that a designer is much harder to design than an assembly line. What if God herself must answer to their creator?

This is all true, and quite simply the reason creationists never answer the main question you ask - Who created the creator? - and others:

- Can you name something undesigned?
- How do you tell the difference between something designed and something undesigned?
- If your god doesn't need to be designed, then why can't the universe have that same liberty?

Creationists, I do not expect you to reply to this substantively, it's OK. These aren't "gotcha" questions. They are real questions you just can't answer given your position.

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Anonymous wrote:The idea of God simply doesn't resonate with me--and it never has, for whatever reason.

The thing I particularly can't wrap my brain around is why anyone would choose to worship a God who would choose to cause so much suffering to those who very clearly have done nothing wrong. If there is someone up there deciding that a baby should die after living only days, for example, then I think he's not worthy of my adulation.

I also think the idea of God was created to make people feel better. It's really sucky to think a baby would die for no reason, or that when your husband dies you'll never see him again. Humans are designed to find meaning in things. Hence, God.

By who or what?

evolution

This is the PP you are replying to. To me, evolution IS the design, not the designer. It's like saying the assembly line designed products to be like such and such. Someone designed the assembly line for inputs to go in and products to come out of it the way their design intended.

You are saying that the mere existence of something (the assembly line) is a proof that a someone (God) must have designed it. Do you want to be consistent and go one step further and say that the mere existence of the designer implies that someone designed the designer? We can agree that a designer is much harder to design than an assembly line. What if God herself must answer to their creator?

Anonymous wrote:Because it doesn't ring true - there is no proof of a higher power. Awful things happen to people all the time whether they are religious or not. The Bible and other religious texts are full of utter hateful nonsense used to justify discriminating against women and the LGBTQ community. And if there was a higher power, who is to say which religion is right - they can't all be...

Religion is just the explanation for science we haven't figured out yet.

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Anonymous wrote:God cannot be omnipotent if humans have free will. Watching religious people try to explain away that contradiction is a good way to see how ridiculous religion is. That, plus what type of God would allow the Kardashians to be more powerful/wealthy than Greta?

NP. Don’t know who Greta is. But a wise god wouldn’t create worshipful robots. A wise god would give his creations choice.

DP here. Please read the thing you are replying to. PP is trying to show you the logical contradiction, that they can't have choice if God knows in advance what they will choose and creates them to make a bad choice anyway.

That’s not how free will works.

No that's EXACTLY how free will works, it is not how omnipotence works.

Read or re-read the preceding posts on predestination. That’s a small minority of Christians. For everybody else, it’s choice.

So you don't believe god is omnipotent? Please answer with Yes or No.

You’re defining “omnipotent” very narrowly to fit your Catch-22. In other words, you’re gaslighting and pretending to ignore posts that explain a different way to understand God. Go back and read those posts.

So you won't answer it the extremely simple question?

Then I guess you fully understand the paradox you claim doesn't exist. A paradox that has been understood about "god" for at least hundreds of years before Christ.

I don't blame you, really, I do not know how I would be able to answer that in your position. Which is one of the main reasons not to hold your position.

No, I’m refusing to play your gotcha game based on your narrow interpretation of “omnipotent.” Your interpretation isn’t shared by most Christians. Stop playing silly gotcha games and re-read what’s been posted above.

"gotcha games" is what people say when they feel uncomfortable admitting that other people are right.

- NP

Omnipotent? Nope.

Impotent. Yes. Losing believers by the millions.

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Anonymous wrote:God cannot be omnipotent if humans have free will. Watching religious people try to explain away that contradiction is a good way to see how ridiculous religion is. That, plus what type of God would allow the Kardashians to be more powerful/wealthy than Greta?

NP. Don’t know who Greta is. But a wise god wouldn’t create worshipful robots. A wise god would give his creations choice.

DP here. Please read the thing you are replying to. PP is trying to show you the logical contradiction, that they can't have choice if God knows in advance what they will choose and creates them to make a bad choice anyway.

That’s not how free will works.

No that's EXACTLY how free will works, it is not how omnipotence works.

Read or re-read the preceding posts on predestination. That’s a small minority of Christians. For everybody else, it’s choice.

So you don't believe god is omnipotent? Please answer with Yes or No.

You’re defining “omnipotent” very narrowly to fit your Catch-22. In other words, you’re gaslighting and pretending to ignore posts that explain a different way to understand God. Go back and read those posts.

Np. Honestly I don’t understand. What is omnipotent in your (and other Christian) minds?

because it is blatantly nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:God cannot be omnipotent if humans have free will. Watching religious people try to explain away that contradiction is a good way to see how ridiculous religion is. That, plus what type of God would allow the Kardashians to be more powerful/wealthy than Greta?

NP. Don’t know who Greta is. But a wise god wouldn’t create worshipful robots. A wise god would give his creations choice.

DP here. Please read the thing you are replying to. PP is trying to show you the logical contradiction, that they can't have choice if God knows in advance what they will choose and creates them to make a bad choice anyway.

That’s not how free will works.

No that's EXACTLY how free will works, it is not how omnipotence works.

Read or re-read the preceding posts on predestination. That’s a small minority of Christians. For everybody else, it’s choice.

So you don't believe god is omnipotent? Please answer with Yes or No.

You’re defining “omnipotent” very narrowly to fit your Catch-22. In other words, you’re gaslighting and pretending to ignore posts that explain a different way to understand God. Go back and read those posts.

So you won't answer it the extremely simple question?

Then I guess you fully understand the paradox you claim doesn't exist. A paradox that has been understood about "god" for at least hundreds of years before Christ.

I don't blame you, really, I do not know how I would be able to answer that in your position. Which is one of the main reasons not to hold your position.

No, I’m refusing to play your gotcha game based on your narrow interpretation of “omnipotent.” Your interpretation isn’t shared by most Christians. Stop playing silly gotcha games and re-read what’s been posted above.

om·nip·o·tent
/ˌämˈnipəd(ə)nt/
adjective
(of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/omnipotent

often capitalized : ALMIGHTY sense 1
2: having virtually unlimited authority or influence
an omnipotent ruler
3obsolete : ARRANT
omnipotent noun
om·​nip·​o·​tent | \ äm-ˈni-pə-tənt \
Definition of omnipotent (Entry 2 of 2)
1: one who has unlimited power or authority : one who is omnipotent
2capitalized : GOD sense 1

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/omnipotent

adjective
almighty or infinite in power, as God.
having very great or unlimited authority or power.
noun
an omnipotent being.
the Omnipotent, God.


https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/omnipotent
Meaning of omnipotent in English

omnipotent
adjective formal
US /ɑːmˈnɪp.ə.t̬ənt/ UK /ɒmˈnɪp.ə.tənt/

having unlimited power and able to do anything:

https://study.com/academy/lesson/omnipotent-omniscient-and-omnipresent-god-definition-lesson-quiz.html

Omnipotence, Omniscience, and Omnipresence
Omnipotence means all-powerful. Monotheistic theologians regard God as having supreme power. This means God can do what he wants. It means he is not subject to physical limitations like man is. Being omnipotent, God has power over wind, water, gravity, physics, etc. God's power is infinite, or limitless.

Omniscience means all-knowing. God is all all-knowing in the sense that he is aware of the past, present, and future. Nothing takes him by surprise. His knowledge is total. He knows all that there is to know and all that can be known.

Omnipresence means all-present. This term means that God is capable of being everywhere at the same time. It means his divine presence encompasses the whole of the universe. There is no location where he does not inhabit. This should not be confused with pantheism, which suggests that God is synonymous with the universe itself; instead, omnipresence indicates that God is distinct from the universe, but inhabits the entirety of it. He is everywhere at once.

Theological Theory
Many theologians regard these three attributes as essential to God's nature. In other words, if God did not have these characteristics, he wouldn't be God. For example, for God to be God, he would need to have supreme power (omnipotence); if he was not omnipotent, he wouldn't be qualified to be God.


What am I missing? Are you saying none of the people responsible for the dictionaries are Christians?


Give me your definition of Omnipotence then:




ps if you say "I'm not playing your gotcha games" it's because you can't answer the question.

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Anonymous wrote:God cannot be omnipotent if humans have free will. Watching religious people try to explain away that contradiction is a good way to see how ridiculous religion is. That, plus what type of God would allow the Kardashians to be more powerful/wealthy than Greta?

NP. Don’t know who Greta is. But a wise god wouldn’t create worshipful robots. A wise god would give his creations choice.

DP here. Please read the thing you are replying to. PP is trying to show you the logical contradiction, that they can't have choice if God knows in advance what they will choose and creates them to make a bad choice anyway.

That’s not how free will works.

No that's EXACTLY how free will works, it is not how omnipotence works.

Read or re-read the preceding posts on predestination. That’s a small minority of Christians. For everybody else, it’s choice.

So you don't believe god is omnipotent? Please answer with Yes or No.

You’re defining “omnipotent” very narrowly to fit your Catch-22. In other words, you’re gaslighting and pretending to ignore posts that explain a different way to understand God. Go back and read those posts.

So you won't answer it the extremely simple question?

Then I guess you fully understand the paradox you claim doesn't exist. A paradox that has been understood about "god" for at least hundreds of years before Christ.

I don't blame you, really, I do not know how I would be able to answer that in your position. Which is one of the main reasons not to hold your position.

No, I’m refusing to play your gotcha game based on your narrow interpretation of “omnipotent.” Your interpretation isn’t shared by most Christians. Stop playing silly gotcha games and re-read what’s been posted above.

NP - when I was a believer that question would have been very easy to answer in the affirmative. Of Course God is omnipotent. No point in being God otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:God cannot be omnipotent if humans have free will. Watching religious people try to explain away that contradiction is a good way to see how ridiculous religion is. That, plus what type of God would allow the Kardashians to be more powerful/wealthy than Greta?

NP. Don’t know who Greta is. But a wise god wouldn’t create worshipful robots. A wise god would give his creations choice.

DP here. Please read the thing you are replying to. PP is trying to show you the logical contradiction, that they can't have choice if God knows in advance what they will choose and creates them to make a bad choice anyway.

That’s not how free will works.

No that's EXACTLY how free will works, it is not how omnipotence works.

Read or re-read the preceding posts on predestination. That’s a small minority of Christians. For everybody else, it’s choice.

So you don't believe god is omnipotent? Please answer with Yes or No.

You’re defining “omnipotent” very narrowly to fit your Catch-22. In other words, you’re gaslighting and pretending to ignore posts that explain a different way to understand God. Go back and read those posts.

So you won't answer it the extremely simple question?

Then I guess you fully understand the paradox you claim doesn't exist. A paradox that has been understood about "god" for at least hundreds of years before Christ.

I don't blame you, really, I do not know how I would be able to answer that in your position. Which is one of the main reasons not to hold your position.

No, I’m refusing to play your gotcha game based on your narrow interpretation of “omnipotent.” Your interpretation isn’t shared by most Christians. Stop playing silly gotcha games and re-read what’s been posted above.

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Anonymous wrote:God cannot be omnipotent if humans have free will. Watching religious people try to explain away that contradiction is a good way to see how ridiculous religion is. That, plus what type of God would allow the Kardashians to be more powerful/wealthy than Greta?

NP. Don’t know who Greta is. But a wise god wouldn’t create worshipful robots. A wise god would give his creations choice.

DP here. Please read the thing you are replying to. PP is trying to show you the logical contradiction, that they can't have choice if God knows in advance what they will choose and creates them to make a bad choice anyway.

That’s not how free will works.

No that's EXACTLY how free will works, it is not how omnipotence works.

Read or re-read the preceding posts on predestination. That’s a small minority of Christians. For everybody else, it’s choice.

So you don't believe god is omnipotent? Please answer with Yes or No.

You’re defining “omnipotent” very narrowly to fit your Catch-22. In other words, you’re gaslighting and pretending to ignore posts that explain a different way to understand God. Go back and read those posts.

So you won't answer it the extremely simple question?

Then I guess you fully understand the paradox you claim doesn't exist. A paradox that has been understood about "god" for at least hundreds of years before Christ.

I don't blame you, really, I do not know how I would be able to answer that in your position. Which is one of the main reasons not to hold your position.

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Anonymous wrote:God cannot be omnipotent if humans have free will. Watching religious people try to explain away that contradiction is a good way to see how ridiculous religion is. That, plus what type of God would allow the Kardashians to be more powerful/wealthy than Greta?

NP. Don’t know who Greta is. But a wise god wouldn’t create worshipful robots. A wise god would give his creations choice.

DP here. Please read the thing you are replying to. PP is trying to show you the logical contradiction, that they can't have choice if God knows in advance what they will choose and creates them to make a bad choice anyway.

That’s not how free will works.

No that's EXACTLY how free will works, it is not how omnipotence works.

Read or re-read the preceding posts on predestination. That’s a small minority of Christians. For everybody else, it’s choice.

So you don't believe god is omnipotent? Please answer with Yes or No.

You’re defining “omnipotent” very narrowly to fit your Catch-22. In other words, you’re gaslighting and pretending to ignore posts that explain a different way to understand God. Go back and read those posts.

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Anonymous wrote:God cannot be omnipotent if humans have free will. Watching religious people try to explain away that contradiction is a good way to see how ridiculous religion is. That, plus what type of God would allow the Kardashians to be more powerful/wealthy than Greta?

NP. Don’t know who Greta is. But a wise god wouldn’t create worshipful robots. A wise god would give his creations choice.

DP here. Please read the thing you are replying to. PP is trying to show you the logical contradiction, that they can't have choice if God knows in advance what they will choose and creates them to make a bad choice anyway.

That’s not how free will works.

No that's EXACTLY how free will works, it is not how omnipotence works.

Read or re-read the preceding posts on predestination. That’s a small minority of Christians. For everybody else, it’s choice.

So you don't believe god is omnipotent? Please answer with Yes or No.

You’re defining “omnipotent” very narrowly to fit your Catch-22. In other words, you’re gaslighting and pretending to ignore posts that explain a different way to understand God. Go back and read those posts.

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Anonymous wrote:God cannot be omnipotent if humans have free will. Watching religious people try to explain away that contradiction is a good way to see how ridiculous religion is. That, plus what type of God would allow the Kardashians to be more powerful/wealthy than Greta?

NP. Don’t know who Greta is. But a wise god wouldn’t create worshipful robots. A wise god would give his creations choice.

DP here. Please read the thing you are replying to. PP is trying to show you the logical contradiction, that they can't have choice if God knows in advance what they will choose and creates them to make a bad choice anyway.

That’s not how free will works.

No that's EXACTLY how free will works, it is not how omnipotence works.

Read or re-read the preceding posts on predestination. That’s a small minority of Christians. For everybody else, it’s choice.

So you don't believe god is omnipotent? Please answer with Yes or No.