Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I were in that jury, I would find him not guilty. I can’t even phantom why they are persecuting him, to be honest. Waste of tax dollar money.

Nobody know how deep the choke was. Was he just restraining him or was he cutting off blood/oxygen to the brain. Hard to articulate a need to use lethal force when you are in such a dominant position and there are bystanders trying to help.

When in fear of death or great bodily injury, you do not need to rely on others to help. That's not the standard.

When you are larger, stronger, and have demonstrated that you are significantly more skilled than your adversary, it will be a tough sell to a jury that you are in fear of death.

He was defending others, they were in fear of death. The prosecution's witnesses testified to that (strange tactic by the prosecution).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I were in that jury, I would find him not guilty. I can’t even phantom why they are persecuting him, to be honest. Waste of tax dollar money.

Nobody know how deep the choke was. Was he just restraining him or was he cutting off blood/oxygen to the brain. Hard to articulate a need to use lethal force when you are in such a dominant position and there are bystanders trying to help.

When in fear of death or great bodily injury, you do not need to rely on others to help. That's not the standard.

When you are larger, stronger, and have demonstrated that you are significantly more skilled than your adversary, it will be a tough sell to a jury that you are in fear of death.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If I were in that jury, I would find him not guilty. I can’t even phantom why they are persecuting him, to be honest. Waste of tax dollar money.

Nobody know how deep the choke was. Was he just restraining him or was he cutting off blood/oxygen to the brain. Hard to articulate a need to use lethal force when you are in such a dominant position and there are bystanders trying to help.

When in fear of death or great bodily injury, you do not need to rely on others to help. That's not the standard.

Anonymous wrote:If I were in that jury, I would find him not guilty. I can’t even phantom why they are persecuting him, to be honest. Waste of tax dollar money.

Nobody know how deep the choke was. Was he just restraining him or was he cutting off blood/oxygen to the brain. Hard to articulate a need to use lethal force when you are in such a dominant position and there are bystanders trying to help.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't the main issue that he held the choke for a long period of time after he went unconscious? Maybe he was watching too many UFC fights and didn't really know what he was doing. You can do a lot of damage even when the person is still conscious, kind of like the George Floyd case.

No, the issue is whether he should have acted or not, whether he (or anyone) should act to protect themselves and others from crazy seemingly dangerous people on the subway. Or not.

If he inadvertently held him too long in legitimate self defense or defense of others, he has a defense. But the coroner said that the chokehold was not the sole cause of death, that there were many things and the chokehold was one of many factors.

Yes, and he is obviously has little BJJ experience, so hard to hold him to any reasonable standard.

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Anonymous wrote:This is from the New York Post - is this an accurate description of last week? Why did they ever even charge him? Or proceed? They could have dropped the charges at any time.

https://nypost.com/2024/11/24/opinion/the-house-of-cards-case-against-daniel-penny-is-falling-apart/

C'mon, we all know why they charged him

Yep. We know exactly why.

This is the same DA who charged a 61 year old Bodega worker, Jose Alba. He had been working at Bodegas (convenience stores) for 35 years since immigrating from the Dominican Republic.

The hard working clerk did not give a bag of chips to a women whose EBT card was declined. She said "my n—– is gonna come down here right now and f—k you up”.

So she comes back with a 35 year old man -Austin Simon, a man with a lengthy criminal record who was on parole for assaulting a police officer and who had been arrested eight times before, including for robbery, assault, and violence during a domestic quarrel. That man goes behind the counter yelling at Alba then violently shoves him so hard he falls over and is towering over him. Alba defending himself grabs a knife and stabs the younger man killing him. Meanwhile the women then takes a knife out of her purse and stabs the clerk.

Despite Alba’s claims of self-defense, Bragg charged the 61 year old worker with second-degree murder and requested bail be set at $500,000, although a judge lowered it to $250,000.

Alba, unable to afford the bail fee, was shipped off to Rikers, where he had to spend days before there was enough publicity.

People wonder why Latinos voted for Trump. Well, he was savvy enough to visit Alba in NYC to show his support.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is from the New York Post - is this an accurate description of last week? Why did they ever even charge him? Or proceed? They could have dropped the charges at any time.

https://nypost.com/2024/11/24/opinion/the-house-of-cards-case-against-daniel-penny-is-falling-apart/

C'mon, we all know why they charged him

The tide has turned against homeless people. I can't remember if he was at the turning point or only at the beginning of it. I think he was closer to the beginning, which is why he was charged then. Not at all sure he would be charged today.

Anonymous wrote:This is from the New York Post - is this an accurate description of last week? Why did they ever even charge him? Or proceed? They could have dropped the charges at any time.

https://nypost.com/2024/11/24/opinion/the-house-of-cards-case-against-daniel-penny-is-falling-apart/

C'mon, we all know why they charged him

Anonymous wrote:If I were in that jury, I would find him not guilty. I can’t even phantom why they are persecuting him, to be honest. Waste of tax dollar money.

+1

Anonymous wrote:Isn't the main issue that he held the choke for a long period of time after he went unconscious? Maybe he was watching too many UFC fights and didn't really know what he was doing. You can do a lot of damage even when the person is still conscious, kind of like the George Floyd case.

No, the issue is whether he should have acted or not, whether he (or anyone) should act to protect themselves and others from crazy seemingly dangerous people on the subway. Or not.

If he inadvertently held him too long in legitimate self defense or defense of others, he has a defense. But the coroner said that the chokehold was not the sole cause of death, that there were many things and the chokehold was one of many factors.

If I were in that jury, I would find him not guilty. I can’t even phantom why they are persecuting him, to be honest. Waste of tax dollar money.

Isn't the main issue that he held the choke for a long period of time after he went unconscious? Maybe he was watching too many UFC fights and didn't really know what he was doing. You can do a lot of damage even when the person is still conscious, kind of like the George Floyd case.

This is from the New York Post - is this an accurate description of last week? Why did they ever even charge him? Or proceed? They could have dropped the charges at any time.

https://nypost.com/2024/11/24/opinion/the-house-of-cards-case-against-daniel-penny-is-falling-apart/

Anonymous wrote:This is why I stopped riding the NYC subway (unless I really have to) and use Citibike instead.
Nothing is done about these nutjobs riding the subway. Ridership has been down for a while, the MTA is struggling with a deluge of farebeaters, migrants selling candy and fruit on the platforms, homeless wrecks strung out in empty subway cars because it smells like #2....
The NYC subway normalizes uncivil public behavior. Behaving this way above ground attracts too much attention so the worst of them go underground.

you can thank socialist former Mayor DiBlasio for passing policies allowing this on the subway.