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Anonymous wrote:Disney is set to eliminate thousands of jobs starting next week. - Bloomberg, April 18, 2023

Why don’t they end all their FL resident discounts and perks as was tossed around in the rumor mill in 2022 ?

Instead they’ve come out with a new slew of them just in the past weeks.

FL residents make up 8% of visitors.

Why not offer the discounts to others?

This would backfire on Disney and just might make the fence-sitters side with Bad Rhonda Santa.

The discount is typically used by FL residents who live nearby or who often go to parks with visiting family/friends. They are the ones who live there and must endure DAILY the surrounding traffic and infrastructure demands of all the Disney visitors. Often at salaries which are service-oriented and far belong the national average.

If anything, Disney should expand their discounts and get stronger Floridian support.

This is like the people who live in the Palisades complaiing about airplane noise from national airport. Disney was there long before most, if not all of those people chose to live there. The region is a suburban soulless cul-de-sac hell hole - so the people who live there have voted for the governments that have them one of the worst auto-dependent regions in the country. Complaining about people and traffic related to Disney is laughable.

I live in Orlando and I’m nowhere near any of it. You can live in Orlando and never come anywhere near the parks. But I know people who live on that side of town and there are extremely cute neighborhoods over there that you wouldn’t see if just visiting. Tourists don’t see the “real” place most of the time they visit anywhere. I also don’t hear anyone complaining about traffic who live over there. For the exact reason you stated. So I’m not sure what your rant is actually about. Not based on reality that’s for sure.

+1 There are many posters here who fit your description. They just hate DeSantis.

Because a misogynist racist is so loveabe!

He may not be the candidate I'd choose, but he's neither of what you just said.

his words and actions suggest otherwise. if you are limiting abortion to be basically illegal, that is misogynist, if you are suppressing votes that disproportionately negatively impacts people of color, you are a racist. if you excuse these things, that makes you both. Congratulations.

YAWN

dp.. yes we know that right wingers are racist misogynists so this is a yawn for them.

The YAWN is for scripted left wing speech that gets repeated ad nauseum for anyone the left winger doesn't like. It's beyond boring and loses its meaning over time.

Disney's real problem is they are mixed up in FTX.

In 2017, a whistleblower went to the SEC saying Disney was covering up $3 billion in missing funds.

Bob Chapek was suddenly fired on a Sunday night, not even allowed in the building on Monday. Something they didn't want him to see. This was shortly after the FTX implosion.

Mr. Wonderful from Shark Tank was a spokesman for FTX, and he appeared on CNBC and at one point mentions a big investor, Bob Iger.

Now, after Iger comes in, he announces cost cuts, to a total of $3 billion.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how the Florida legislature isn't considered to be breeching the contract they originally made with Disney.

I don’t think legislation could be called a contract. The new board voted to say the old board’s contracts with the cities is null and void. That is unconstitutional, per the Contract Clause in Article 1. This is in the lawsuit.

ISo when Florida originally created RC tax district to get Disney's business, that wasn't a type of contract?

Read the complaint. It's quite clear where the contracts violations come into play. It's not that the legislation itself is a contract, but that it abrogates - without any evidence for its necessity beyond DeSantis being pissed off at Disney - contracts that Disney entered into through RCID and land developers pursuant to a Comprehensive Plan for development through 2032 already pre-approved by the DeSantis administration. It doesn't take long to read and really lays out the contracts clause and first amendment and takings clause complaints.
I don't see a way for DeSantis to win this. Most of the damning evidence comes out of his own mouth.

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Anonymous wrote:Disney is set to eliminate thousands of jobs starting next week. - Bloomberg, April 18, 2023

Why don’t they end all their FL resident discounts and perks as was tossed around in the rumor mill in 2022 ?

Instead they’ve come out with a new slew of them just in the past weeks.

FL residents make up 8% of visitors.

Why not offer the discounts to others?

This would backfire on Disney and just might make the fence-sitters side with Bad Rhonda Santa.

The discount is typically used by FL residents who live nearby or who often go to parks with visiting family/friends. They are the ones who live there and must endure DAILY the surrounding traffic and infrastructure demands of all the Disney visitors. Often at salaries which are service-oriented and far belong the national average.

If anything, Disney should expand their discounts and get stronger Floridian support.

This is like the people who live in the Palisades complaiing about airplane noise from national airport. Disney was there long before most, if not all of those people chose to live there. The region is a suburban soulless cul-de-sac hell hole - so the people who live there have voted for the governments that have them one of the worst auto-dependent regions in the country. Complaining about people and traffic related to Disney is laughable.

I live in Orlando and I’m nowhere near any of it. You can live in Orlando and never come anywhere near the parks. But I know people who live on that side of town and there are extremely cute neighborhoods over there that you wouldn’t see if just visiting. Tourists don’t see the “real” place most of the time they visit anywhere. I also don’t hear anyone complaining about traffic who live over there. For the exact reason you stated. So I’m not sure what your rant is actually about. Not based on reality that’s for sure.

+1 There are many posters here who fit your description. They just hate DeSantis.

Because a misogynist racist is so loveabe!

He may not be the candidate I'd choose, but he's neither of what you just said.

his words and actions suggest otherwise. if you are limiting abortion to be basically illegal, that is misogynist, if you are suppressing votes that disproportionately negatively impacts people of color, you are a racist. if you excuse these things, that makes you both. Congratulations.

YAWN

dp.. yes we know that right wingers are racist misogynists so this is a yawn for them.

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Anonymous wrote:Disney is set to eliminate thousands of jobs starting next week. - Bloomberg, April 18, 2023

Why don’t they end all their FL resident discounts and perks as was tossed around in the rumor mill in 2022 ?

Instead they’ve come out with a new slew of them just in the past weeks.

FL residents make up 8% of visitors.

Why not offer the discounts to others?

This would backfire on Disney and just might make the fence-sitters side with Bad Rhonda Santa.

The discount is typically used by FL residents who live nearby or who often go to parks with visiting family/friends. They are the ones who live there and must endure DAILY the surrounding traffic and infrastructure demands of all the Disney visitors. Often at salaries which are service-oriented and far belong the national average.

If anything, Disney should expand their discounts and get stronger Floridian support.

This is like the people who live in the Palisades complaiing about airplane noise from national airport. Disney was there long before most, if not all of those people chose to live there. The region is a suburban soulless cul-de-sac hell hole - so the people who live there have voted for the governments that have them one of the worst auto-dependent regions in the country. Complaining about people and traffic related to Disney is laughable.

I live in Orlando and I’m nowhere near any of it. You can live in Orlando and never come anywhere near the parks. But I know people who live on that side of town and there are extremely cute neighborhoods over there that you wouldn’t see if just visiting. Tourists don’t see the “real” place most of the time they visit anywhere. I also don’t hear anyone complaining about traffic who live over there. For the exact reason you stated. So I’m not sure what your rant is actually about. Not based on reality that’s for sure.

+1 There are many posters here who fit your description. They just hate DeSantis.

Because a misogynist racist is so loveabe!

He may not be the candidate I'd choose, but he's neither of what you just said.

his words and actions suggest otherwise. if you are limiting abortion to be basically illegal, that is misogynist, if you are suppressing votes that disproportionately negatively impacts people of color, you are a racist. if you excuse these things, that makes you both. Congratulations.

YAWN

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Anonymous wrote:Disney is set to eliminate thousands of jobs starting next week. - Bloomberg, April 18, 2023

Why don’t they end all their FL resident discounts and perks as was tossed around in the rumor mill in 2022 ?

Instead they’ve come out with a new slew of them just in the past weeks.

FL residents make up 8% of visitors.

Why not offer the discounts to others?

This would backfire on Disney and just might make the fence-sitters side with Bad Rhonda Santa.

The discount is typically used by FL residents who live nearby or who often go to parks with visiting family/friends. They are the ones who live there and must endure DAILY the surrounding traffic and infrastructure demands of all the Disney visitors. Often at salaries which are service-oriented and far belong the national average.

If anything, Disney should expand their discounts and get stronger Floridian support.

This is like the people who live in the Palisades complaiing about airplane noise from national airport. Disney was there long before most, if not all of those people chose to live there. The region is a suburban soulless cul-de-sac hell hole - so the people who live there have voted for the governments that have them one of the worst auto-dependent regions in the country. Complaining about people and traffic related to Disney is laughable.

I live in Orlando and I’m nowhere near any of it. You can live in Orlando and never come anywhere near the parks. But I know people who live on that side of town and there are extremely cute neighborhoods over there that you wouldn’t see if just visiting. Tourists don’t see the “real” place most of the time they visit anywhere. I also don’t hear anyone complaining about traffic who live over there. For the exact reason you stated. So I’m not sure what your rant is actually about. Not based on reality that’s for sure.

+1 There are many posters here who fit your description. They just hate DeSantis.

Because a misogynist racist is so loveabe!

He may not be the candidate I'd choose, but he's neither of what you just said.

his words and actions suggest otherwise. if you are limiting abortion to be basically illegal, that is misogynist, if you are suppressing votes that disproportionately negatively impacts people of color, you are a racist. if you excuse these things, that makes you both. Congratulations.

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Anonymous wrote:Disney is set to eliminate thousands of jobs starting next week. - Bloomberg, April 18, 2023

Why don’t they end all their FL resident discounts and perks as was tossed around in the rumor mill in 2022 ?

Instead they’ve come out with a new slew of them just in the past weeks.

FL residents make up 8% of visitors.

Why not offer the discounts to others?

This would backfire on Disney and just might make the fence-sitters side with Bad Rhonda Santa.

The discount is typically used by FL residents who live nearby or who often go to parks with visiting family/friends. They are the ones who live there and must endure DAILY the surrounding traffic and infrastructure demands of all the Disney visitors. Often at salaries which are service-oriented and far belong the national average.

If anything, Disney should expand their discounts and get stronger Floridian support.

This is like the people who live in the Palisades complaiing about airplane noise from national airport. Disney was there long before most, if not all of those people chose to live there. The region is a suburban soulless cul-de-sac hell hole - so the people who live there have voted for the governments that have them one of the worst auto-dependent regions in the country. Complaining about people and traffic related to Disney is laughable.

I live in Orlando and I’m nowhere near any of it. You can live in Orlando and never come anywhere near the parks. But I know people who live on that side of town and there are extremely cute neighborhoods over there that you wouldn’t see if just visiting. Tourists don’t see the “real” place most of the time they visit anywhere. I also don’t hear anyone complaining about traffic who live over there. For the exact reason you stated. So I’m not sure what your rant is actually about. Not based on reality that’s for sure.

+1 There are many posters here who fit your description. They just hate DeSantis.

Because a misogynist racist is so loveabe!

He may not be the candidate I'd choose, but he's neither of what you just said.

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Anonymous wrote:Disney is set to eliminate thousands of jobs starting next week. - Bloomberg, April 18, 2023

Why don’t they end all their FL resident discounts and perks as was tossed around in the rumor mill in 2022 ?

Instead they’ve come out with a new slew of them just in the past weeks.

FL residents make up 8% of visitors.

Why not offer the discounts to others?

This would backfire on Disney and just might make the fence-sitters side with Bad Rhonda Santa.

The discount is typically used by FL residents who live nearby or who often go to parks with visiting family/friends. They are the ones who live there and must endure DAILY the surrounding traffic and infrastructure demands of all the Disney visitors. Often at salaries which are service-oriented and far belong the national average.

If anything, Disney should expand their discounts and get stronger Floridian support.

This is like the people who live in the Palisades complaiing about airplane noise from national airport. Disney was there long before most, if not all of those people chose to live there. The region is a suburban soulless cul-de-sac hell hole - so the people who live there have voted for the governments that have them one of the worst auto-dependent regions in the country. Complaining about people and traffic related to Disney is laughable.

I live in Orlando and I’m nowhere near any of it. You can live in Orlando and never come anywhere near the parks. But I know people who live on that side of town and there are extremely cute neighborhoods over there that you wouldn’t see if just visiting. Tourists don’t see the “real” place most of the time they visit anywhere. I also don’t hear anyone complaining about traffic who live over there. For the exact reason you stated. So I’m not sure what your rant is actually about. Not based on reality that’s for sure.

+1 There are many posters here who fit your description. They just hate DeSantis.

Because a misogynist racist is so loveabe!

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Anonymous wrote:Disney is set to eliminate thousands of jobs starting next week. - Bloomberg, April 18, 2023

Why don’t they end all their FL resident discounts and perks as was tossed around in the rumor mill in 2022 ?

Instead they’ve come out with a new slew of them just in the past weeks.

FL residents make up 8% of visitors.

Why not offer the discounts to others?

This would backfire on Disney and just might make the fence-sitters side with Bad Rhonda Santa.

The discount is typically used by FL residents who live nearby or who often go to parks with visiting family/friends. They are the ones who live there and must endure DAILY the surrounding traffic and infrastructure demands of all the Disney visitors. Often at salaries which are service-oriented and far belong the national average.

If anything, Disney should expand their discounts and get stronger Floridian support.

This is like the people who live in the Palisades complaiing about airplane noise from national airport. Disney was there long before most, if not all of those people chose to live there. The region is a suburban soulless cul-de-sac hell hole - so the people who live there have voted for the governments that have them one of the worst auto-dependent regions in the country. Complaining about people and traffic related to Disney is laughable.

I live in Orlando and I’m nowhere near any of it. You can live in Orlando and never come anywhere near the parks. But I know people who live on that side of town and there are extremely cute neighborhoods over there that you wouldn’t see if just visiting. Tourists don’t see the “real” place most of the time they visit anywhere. I also don’t hear anyone complaining about traffic who live over there. For the exact reason you stated. So I’m not sure what your rant is actually about. Not based on reality that’s for sure.

+1 There are many posters here who fit your description. They just hate DeSantis.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand how the Florida legislature isn't considered to be breeching the contract they originally made with Disney.

I don’t think legislation could be called a contract. The new board voted to say the old board’s contracts with the cities is null and void. That is unconstitutional, per the Contract Clause in Article 1. This is in the lawsuit.

ISo when Florida originally created RC tax district to get Disney's business, that wasn't a type of contract?

Anonymous wrote:This is a losing battle for him but it's going to be fun to watch

Agreed. Good piece in the Atlantic today from the then-EIC of The Broward Daily, which sued the Broward Sheriff’s Department for political retaliation in a very similar case. They won.

“We won because what Navarro did was plainly illegal. He had used the power of his public office to punish my newspaper for exercising its First Amendment rights.

The parallels between Navarro’s actions and those of the current governor are unmistakable. DeSantis has spearheaded the successful move to withdraw something of value from the Walt Disney Company—its 50-year control of the special taxing district that essentially governs a 25,000-acre Central Florida spread including Disney World—in reprisal for Disney’s vocal criticism of Florida’s Parental Rights in Education Act, assailed as homophobic. With DeSantis, as with Navarro, public authorities withheld a public benefit as punishment for exercising a core constitutional right, and yesterday Disney finally sued.

Even in 1988, the law in this area was neither subtle nor oblique. Brill told me he got the idea of suing the sheriff from his recollections of a class in constitutional law taught by Thomas I. Emerson, a legendary First Amendment scholar at Yale, and Abrams was able to rely on fresh precedent: a 1986 case out of Mississippi—upheld by the Fifth Circuit—that was almost precisely on point. There, the federal court ordered a local governing board to restore public-notice advertising it had yanked from a local newspaper in retaliation for the paper’s criticism of its performance.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/04/desantis-disney-free-speech-florida-nick-navarro/673848/

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Anonymous wrote:I’m still having a hard time understanding why DeSantis is going all in on this. He’s lost the plot and now he’s toast with donors. Womp, womp.

I really believe that when he started this, he was just so high on the Fox coverage of all his anti-woke shII that he thought this was another slam dunk. He just didn't bank on Disney fighting back so much. And now he's just in too deep, I think - basically a sunk cost fallacy in action. Obviously he would be better off if he just got out of this whole thing - in every way - but I think he thinks he can't.

He's such a sloppy amateur. That's on full display. A twitchy, weird, sloppy amateur.

The twitchy thing from the other day is barely concealed/contained rage. It's yet another example that he's not ready for prime time.

I don't know what he is doing. He hasn't announced so it would be easy for him to go back to Florida, engage as governor again, and just sit this year out. People and pundits will forget and he could run in '28. As it is, he's drawing lots of negative attention and is going to go beyond the point of no return re: his reputation.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m still having a hard time understanding why DeSantis is going all in on this. He’s lost the plot and now he’s toast with donors. Womp, womp.

I really believe that when he started this, he was just so high on the Fox coverage of all his anti-woke shII that he thought this was another slam dunk. He just didn't bank on Disney fighting back so much. And now he's just in too deep, I think - basically a sunk cost fallacy in action. Obviously he would be better off if he just got out of this whole thing - in every way - but I think he thinks he can't.

He's such a sloppy amateur. That's on full display. A twitchy, weird, sloppy amateur.

I agree. And so arrogant.

There was a moment -- when he won and should have cut a deal with Disney and claimed total victory even though it would have been a fair deal. Now because he did not know when to claim virtory and leave the field he will either get spanked by Disney or even if he wins he losses. He will have bashed the state's #1 taxpayer and employer and he will own job cuts, siiues with Disney. His new board knows not what they are doing and will likely screw it up. Even if he wins the big fight, Disney willt ake that board to court over every decision.

Fighting Disney was not the issue. The issue with Desantis is judgment. I was a backer but no more. He is not ready for prime time.

This is a losing battle for him but it's going to be fun to watch

Anonymous wrote:I said this earlier in the thread, but I theorized last year that he would quietly reinstate the RCIA after the election. He did, but he also demanded control of the board. When he embarrassed himself by not noticing that some of the district power was being handed to the cities, he got all butt hurt about it. He doesn’t want to look week, so he decided to do something else unconstitutional. The real danger of people like him is that people are being misled about their rights. It’s easier to take rights away from people who don’t understand them.

Well said. Those signing up for this have no comprehension they are not just sticking it to "the other side, they are screwing themselves.