Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 17:32     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
I think the plan was to take her out of the home. But then maybe she woke up and started kicking and screaming while they were trying to get her out the window. A six year old can be more than a handful, and then the plan may have gone awry. And then he had to kill her right then to keep from being identified. Especially if he had a cohort in the kidnapping who took off on him.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 17:31     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
What I always remember is that I (and others) were unaware of the child beauty pageant scene before this murder. The parents were awful people right out of the box. Then, they didn't talk to the police for weeks.

I have never wavered from the idea that the family withheld a lot of information and had some other agenda than finding the murderer.

Who did it? I don't know.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 17:30     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Maybe Santa needed the money to pay all his medical bills and the trip to Europe, and got the guy working at the salvage yard to be his elf helper that night for half the take.

What was Santa's background?



Santa had been in the army for 2 years he would have known how to make a garotte. He was a retired journalism professor at UC Boulder. His wife was a poet and playwright and had written for the Daily Camera a movie critic column. His son had been in jail.


He also had several alibi witnesses, and provided dna and fingerprints. No matches.


He had no real alibi. His alibi was that he went to bed at 10 with his wife and got up at 8. I find that suspicious because those were the numbers used in the note - will call between 8-10. That time period was exactly when the Ramseys went to bed. How many older people sleep ten hours a night? Many older women have trouble sleeping more than 5 or 6 hours a night.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 17:29     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Maybe Santa needed the money to pay all his medical bills and the trip to Europe, and got the guy working at the salvage yard to be his elf helper that night for half the take.

What was Santa's background?


The take of what? Dear lord, some of you PPs are far afield.


The ransom money. Why is it far out to think someone wanted to do this for money? Some people do think that's a lot of money, like the guy in the mansion murders in DC. He brutally killed 4 people for all for $40K.


He didn't kill the people in Woodley Park UNTIL he got his money. No one is going to give you money if they know you already killed the victim.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 17:24     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Maybe Santa needed the money to pay all his medical bills and the trip to Europe, and got the guy working at the salvage yard to be his elf helper that night for half the take.

What was Santa's background?


The take of what? Dear lord, some of you PPs are far afield.


The ransom money. Why is it far out to think someone wanted to do this for money? Some people do think that's a lot of money, like the guy in the mansion murders in DC. He brutally killed 4 people for all for $40K.


How is the killer going to get paid off if he left the dead body in the home? If you want money, you have to get it before there is murder/evidence of murder. If the goal was money, the perpetrator would've taken her from the house immediately. (He can still rape and kill her outside the house if that's a secondary MO.)
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 17:15     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Maybe Santa needed the money to pay all his medical bills and the trip to Europe, and got the guy working at the salvage yard to be his elf helper that night for half the take.

What was Santa's background?



Santa had been in the army for 2 years he would have known how to make a garotte. He was a retired journalism professor at UC Boulder. His wife was a poet and playwright and had written for the Daily Camera a movie critic column. His son had been in jail.


He also had several alibi witnesses, and provided dna and fingerprints. No matches.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 17:12     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Maybe Santa needed the money to pay all his medical bills and the trip to Europe, and got the guy working at the salvage yard to be his elf helper that night for half the take.

What was Santa's background?


The take of what? Dear lord, some of you PPs are far afield.


The ransom money. Why is it far out to think someone wanted to do this for money? Some people do think that's a lot of money, like the guy in the mansion murders in DC. He brutally killed 4 people for all for $40K.



And the home invaders in Connecticut got a lot less money when they drove the mom to the bank and then assulted the daughter before killing them all.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 17:10     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:Maybe Santa needed the money to pay all his medical bills and the trip to Europe, and got the guy working at the salvage yard to be his elf helper that night for half the take.

What was Santa's background?



Santa had been in the army for 2 years he would have known how to make a garotte. He was a retired journalism professor at UC Boulder. His wife was a poet and playwright and had written for the Daily Camera a movie critic column. His son had been in jail.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 17:07     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Maybe Santa needed the money to pay all his medical bills and the trip to Europe, and got the guy working at the salvage yard to be his elf helper that night for half the take.

What was Santa's background?


The take of what? Dear lord, some of you PPs are far afield.


The ransom money. Why is it far out to think someone wanted to do this for money? Some people do think that's a lot of money, like the guy in the mansion murders in DC. He brutally killed 4 people for all for $40K.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 17:03     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:Maybe Santa needed the money to pay all his medical bills and the trip to Europe, and got the guy working at the salvage yard to be his elf helper that night for half the take.

What was Santa's background?


The take of what? Dear lord, some of you PPs are far afield.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 16:51     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Maybe Santa needed the money to pay all his medical bills and the trip to Europe, and got the guy working at the salvage yard to be his elf helper that night for half the take.

What was Santa's background?
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 16:38     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
^^^Oh, hi Boulder PD!
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 16:25     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel like Lou Smit had a very solid resume in crime investigation. Much more credible than any of the rubes from the PD. I don't think he concluded that the parents were not guilty; merely that there was enough evidence to seriously consider an intruder. Which to my mind is reasonable doubt.


NP here. I agree with Lou Smit's conclusions. The question I have is did anyone do a psychological profile of the letter writer, not just handwriting analysis. My amateur conclusions about the letter point to someone outside the family. I also think by the way the letter F was written in it, it was written by a man. I'm not an expert, but I never saw a woman write an F that way, only men. And it just comes across to me that the letter writer's hand was bigger than an average woman's hand. There were a few quotes in it taken from movies, I think it was someone who like watching those movies over and over. The genre would appeal to men. Someone who also thought that $118K was a lot of money, because with the Ramsey's, why wouldn't you ask for more? So someone who didn't make a lot of money.

I actually think there were likey 2. One of them was identified by the private investigator hired by the Ramsey family. He was telling a co-worker (who reported this) at a salvage yard that he'd be getting about half that amount around Christmas. Then he died a day after the Boulder PD came out with their announcement that they're getting closer to identifying the killer. It was classified as a suicide, but there's doubt over that. I think it was his partner in crime, who seems masterful at covering his tracks.

I think it was a kidnapping for ransom planned ahead of time and they did hide out in the house for a while. But while they planned how to get in, they didn't plan too well on how to get out with JB. A neighbor heard screaming; maybe JB started kicking and screaming as they tried to get her out the window. I wonder if one then got scared and took off, and the other then decided to kill her instead at the house then took off himself.

The family was completely cleared by DNA technology that only became available in 2008, and they received a public apology from the DA's office.


Yes, many people did. They concluded that it was written by a religious middle aged woman who lived in Boulder. seriously.


Which points to Santa's wife and her weird play.

That's getting pretty far out there, though.


You are other all insane or trolls, maybe both?
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 15:34     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel like Lou Smit had a very solid resume in crime investigation. Much more credible than any of the rubes from the PD. I don't think he concluded that the parents were not guilty; merely that there was enough evidence to seriously consider an intruder. Which to my mind is reasonable doubt.


NP here. I agree with Lou Smit's conclusions. The question I have is did anyone do a psychological profile of the letter writer, not just handwriting analysis. My amateur conclusions about the letter point to someone outside the family. I also think by the way the letter F was written in it, it was written by a man. I'm not an expert, but I never saw a woman write an F that way, only men. And it just comes across to me that the letter writer's hand was bigger than an average woman's hand. There were a few quotes in it taken from movies, I think it was someone who like watching those movies over and over. The genre would appeal to men. Someone who also thought that $118K was a lot of money, because with the Ramsey's, why wouldn't you ask for more? So someone who didn't make a lot of money.

I actually think there were likey 2. One of them was identified by the private investigator hired by the Ramsey family. He was telling a co-worker (who reported this) at a salvage yard that he'd be getting about half that amount around Christmas. Then he died a day after the Boulder PD came out with their announcement that they're getting closer to identifying the killer. It was classified as a suicide, but there's doubt over that. I think it was his partner in crime, who seems masterful at covering his tracks.

I think it was a kidnapping for ransom planned ahead of time and they did hide out in the house for a while. But while they planned how to get in, they didn't plan too well on how to get out with JB. A neighbor heard screaming; maybe JB started kicking and screaming as they tried to get her out the window. I wonder if one then got scared and took off, and the other then decided to kill her instead at the house then took off himself.

The family was completely cleared by DNA technology that only became available in 2008, and they received a public apology from the DA's office.


Yes, many people did. They concluded that it was written by a religious middle aged woman who lived in Boulder. seriously.


Which points to Santa's wife and her weird play.

That's getting pretty far out there, though.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 15:32     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:I feel like some people would NEVER believe that the killer was a family member no matter what because it's simply too hard to fathom that family would do something like that.


It doesn't fit the profile of a family murder to me. Moms tend to drown their kids or poison them. Dads shoot their kids or beat them to death or drown them.

The staging and general weirdness sounds more like a serial killer/serial molester/sexual sadist with some serious fetishes.