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Anonymous wrote:The “center” in the Dem party has moved so far left in the past 10 or so years that it’s really weird.

It’s populism and subconscious tug of war with Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this board still pretending he isn’t a communist as video surfaces of him describing his end goal of seizing the means of production? Open your eyes.

https://thepostmillennial.com/communist-zohran-mamdani-admitted-in-2021-the-end-goal-was-seizing-the-means-of-production

The first thing you should do is to learn the difference between socialism and communism. Then you should learn about socialist systems that exist. Once there, maybe spend five minutes learning about successful social democracies. Ok, once you have that background down you can think about what you actually could implement in the US (probably not much of it) and how almost any of it would improve the lives of average Americans. I know that republicans have you convinced that you should lick the boot of billionaires, and you can, but the rest of us aren’t.

Oh please. Stop pretending. This guy is using the veil of “social democracy” to promote blatantly communist concepts such as seizing the means of production. It’s plain as day.

But when the "means of production" are not producing for the people, what is wrong with government intervention?

Mamdani is rich. Obviously our system has worked just fine for him.
Go back and read your history book about the millions killed in communism.

Again, you are confusing socialism with communism.

I’m glad that this is all happening. Using socialism as some boogeyman has to end. Social Security, public education, libraries, infrastructure, all SOCIAL SYSTEMS. You know, socialism.

Don’t worry, though, the republicans are convincing a bunch of fools that they don’t even deserve that return on their own money. You’ll pay taxes and you’ll get nothing from them and you’ll like it.

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Anonymous wrote:The “center” in the Dem party has moved so far left in the past 10 or so years that it’s really weird.

Yep.
And their move is being rejected by voters who can think.

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Anonymous wrote:Mamdami learned from the Democratic party failures in the 2024 presidential election. You have to listen to the young people.

The young people told Biden and Harris that if they didn't speak out against Israel, they wouldn't vote for them...and they did not vote for them.

Also, if you get on BlueSky and TikTok where most Gen Z and Millennials are communicating, you'll realize the young people have learned a valuable lesson: there are more of us than old people. If we band together and vote, we can get the candidate we want who will enact the policies we want. Older generations roll their eyes at millennials, but we are the most educated generation and also the generation with the least (in terms of wealth, real estate holdings, and kids). We are also one of the most well-traveled generations. We've been to other places in the world and seen how the citizens of other countries live better than us because of proper taxation of the wealthy and corporations. We have learned that we could have all that in the US if our government simply taxed the rich and corporations at appropriate rates.

Also, just for reference, because for some reason reason people on DCUM have it perpetually stuck in their heads that Gen Z are teenagers and Millennials are 20-somethings, here are the official age breakdowns:

Baby Boomers: 1946-1964 (ages 79-61)
Gen X: 1965-1980 (ages 60-45)
Millennials: 1981-1996 (ages 44-29)
Gen Z: 1997-2012 (ages 28-13)

I'm 43. I make more right now than both of my parents did combined at this age. I don't own a house. I live with a partner, but we are not married. We do not want kids because of the cost of everything. My parents owned a house, 2 cars, and took 3 kids on 2-3 vacations each year when they were in their 40s and they did that on the salaries of a tow truck driver and an office admin.

43 is not “young”. You are middle aged (as am I, also 43).

Your observations are generally correct and applicable to millennials (but not universal; I enjoy a much better standard of living than my parents did, I am married and I have 3 kids). ZM is not going to deliver a standard of living you seek, and, if his policy proposals are actually implemented, it will make your problems worse.

NP here. Do you not think there is an affordability and housing crisis in our country? That fact seems undeniable to me and should not be surprising given the energy of the occupy wall street movement over a decade ago and the growing inequality since then. So if there are problems with affordability/housing, why not try to some ideas? What I find refreshing about Mamdani is that he does not seem wed to ideology - listen to him talk about his grocery stores. It's one in each borough (which can be funded through existing city food programs) and he outright says if it doesn't work, then he will close them. Food deserts are a huge issue that the private sector has not tried so why not experiment with a public sector solution?

PP.

Yes, there is a housing/affordability crisis. The problem with “trying ideas” is that it can make problems much worse and destroy capital, making the road to recovery that much harder. Look at California: they’ve tried many ideas for making housing affordable and it’s only gotten worse and they are in a deeper hole. Most of ZM’s proposals will make the problems worse. The answer is and will continue to be more supply, but ZM isn’t going near that. Instead he’s proposing ideas that have been proven to fail.

To be fair, as much as I disagree with him about most things, his idea to let property tax valuations float to be more aligned with market value is a correct position.

The grocery store issue does highlight how he can make problems worse as well as the incoherence of his positions.

There is no such thing as just trying changes to an economic ecosystem. Once you introduce the government stores it will be extremely difficult to get rid of them and they will destabilize the economic system. Whoever runs them will be incentivized to expand their footprint/mandate. While the bodegas are a real problem, grocery stores have notoriously thin margins and undercutting them on price will be destabilizing.

ZM simultaneously believes that greedy capitalists will exploit everyone but for some reason food deserts exist where capitalists don’t go do business. Perhaps his mental model is off….

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Anonymous wrote:Mamdani is exhibit #1 that the US needs to be much more discerning in whom they grant citizenship to.

Exactly, we don't need anti-genocide anti-apartheid people scaring away our AIPAC overlords

Anonymous wrote:Mamdani is exhibit #1 that the US needs to be much more discerning in whom they grant citizenship to.

Anonymous wrote:The “center” in the Dem party has moved so far left in the past 10 or so years that it’s really weird.

Anonymous wrote:She's right.

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Anonymous wrote:Mass media, social media and print media loves Mamdani. They’re doing all home PR and free marketing now. They can’t stop themselves!

Q. And why that's not happening for billionaire backed candidates with all the resources at their disposal? A. Voters don't want them. His popularity is rooted in common people. Voters aren't stupid, most are fully aware that he won't be available to deliver more than a fraction of what he is striving for but that would still be more than opposition can ever offer.

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Anonymous wrote:Whoa

Antisemitism is very popular.

Movements are popular right now (MAGA for example). The left has taken on Jew hatred as their movement. Very clear during Zohran interview on MTP and very clear in this forum.

Anonymous wrote:Wealthy are threatened by his policies and they are trying to discredit him by throwing random labels like communist, gay, muslim, trust fund baby, brotherhood, wealthy donors, hired bride and what not and praying for some to stick.