Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 15:27     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel like Lou Smit had a very solid resume in crime investigation. Much more credible than any of the rubes from the PD. I don't think he concluded that the parents were not guilty; merely that there was enough evidence to seriously consider an intruder. Which to my mind is reasonable doubt.


NP here. I agree with Lou Smit's conclusions. The question I have is did anyone do a psychological profile of the letter writer, not just handwriting analysis. My amateur conclusions about the letter point to someone outside the family. I also think by the way the letter F was written in it, it was written by a man. I'm not an expert, but I never saw a woman write an F that way, only men. And it just comes across to me that the letter writer's hand was bigger than an average woman's hand. There were a few quotes in it taken from movies, I think it was someone who like watching those movies over and over. The genre would appeal to men. Someone who also thought that $118K was a lot of money, because with the Ramsey's, why wouldn't you ask for more? So someone who didn't make a lot of money.

I actually think there were likey 2. One of them was identified by the private investigator hired by the Ramsey family. He was telling a co-worker (who reported this) at a salvage yard that he'd be getting about half that amount around Christmas. Then he died a day after the Boulder PD came out with their announcement that they're getting closer to identifying the killer. It was classified as a suicide, but there's doubt over that. I think it was his partner in crime, who seems masterful at covering his tracks.

I think it was a kidnapping for ransom planned ahead of time and they did hide out in the house for a while. But while they planned how to get in, they didn't plan too well on how to get out with JB. A neighbor heard screaming; maybe JB started kicking and screaming as they tried to get her out the window. I wonder if one then got scared and took off, and the other then decided to kill her instead at the house then took off himself.

The family was completely cleared by DNA technology that only became available in 2008, and they received a public apology from the DA's office.


Just because trace DNA from a non-family member was found doesn't mean it wasn't family who killed her. There are many other possible explanations.

As for a public apology by the DNA: is this the same person/people who tried to pin this on Karr (a random lunatic) and got him an all expense paid flight back to the US, complete with a gourmet feast or whatever? Because I'm not buying anything they try to sell.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 15:20     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?

Did they ever do toxocology on the parents? What if they really, truly didn't know that one of them harmed her (high, drunk etc...) or what if they were under the influence of a one time hit of a drug like lsd and don't remember harming her.


Seriously, is it possible for one to have done it without the other knowing?
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 15:16     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?

Santa had been on a tour of the house with JB one year prior. She brought him by herself all over the house including the back rooms in the basement. He said to the detective " I always thought if anyone wanted to do harm to that family it would be at Christmas". We know he already had weird thoughts in his head because he stated them. So perhaps when he went on that tour with JB a year before and they were down in the basement just the two of them away from all the party guests he had some other weird thoughts. Maybe he thought " look how easy it is to get a JB down here all by herself. If I wanted to hurt her right now I could and nobody would know". That house was huge. If an intruder knew the layout they knew the basement back rooms and that the parents were three floors up and would never hear anything. What does a sexual predator want to do first? The first thing they need to do is isolate their victim. An intruder who had been in the house before would have known JB could be easily isolated in that basement. The intent was to kill and molest her. The location to do so was easily available. The note was written to cover the true motive.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 15:14     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel like Lou Smit had a very solid resume in crime investigation. Much more credible than any of the rubes from the PD. I don't think he concluded that the parents were not guilty; merely that there was enough evidence to seriously consider an intruder. Which to my mind is reasonable doubt.


NP here. I agree with Lou Smit's conclusions. The question I have is did anyone do a psychological profile of the letter writer, not just handwriting analysis. My amateur conclusions about the letter point to someone outside the family. I also think by the way the letter F was written in it, it was written by a man. I'm not an expert, but I never saw a woman write an F that way, only men. And it just comes across to me that the letter writer's hand was bigger than an average woman's hand. There were a few quotes in it taken from movies, I think it was someone who like watching those movies over and over. The genre would appeal to men. Someone who also thought that $118K was a lot of money, because with the Ramsey's, why wouldn't you ask for more? So someone who didn't make a lot of money.

I actually think there were likey 2. One of them was identified by the private investigator hired by the Ramsey family. He was telling a co-worker (who reported this) at a salvage yard that he'd be getting about half that amount around Christmas. Then he died a day after the Boulder PD came out with their announcement that they're getting closer to identifying the killer. It was classified as a suicide, but there's doubt over that. I think it was his partner in crime, who seems masterful at covering his tracks.

I think it was a kidnapping for ransom planned ahead of time and they did hide out in the house for a while. But while they planned how to get in, they didn't plan too well on how to get out with JB. A neighbor heard screaming; maybe JB started kicking and screaming as they tried to get her out the window. I wonder if one then got scared and took off, and the other then decided to kill her instead at the house then took off himself.

The family was completely cleared by DNA technology that only became available in 2008, and they received a public apology from the DA's office.


Yeah watching the Smit video, he talks about the psychology of the person who wrote the note. With the emphasis on the repeated phrase, "she dies"....
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 15:05     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel like Lou Smit had a very solid resume in crime investigation. Much more credible than any of the rubes from the PD. I don't think he concluded that the parents were not guilty; merely that there was enough evidence to seriously consider an intruder. Which to my mind is reasonable doubt.


NP here. I agree with Lou Smit's conclusions. The question I have is did anyone do a psychological profile of the letter writer, not just handwriting analysis. My amateur conclusions about the letter point to someone outside the family. I also think by the way the letter F was written in it, it was written by a man. I'm not an expert, but I never saw a woman write an F that way, only men. And it just comes across to me that the letter writer's hand was bigger than an average woman's hand. There were a few quotes in it taken from movies, I think it was someone who like watching those movies over and over. The genre would appeal to men. Someone who also thought that $118K was a lot of money, because with the Ramsey's, why wouldn't you ask for more? So someone who didn't make a lot of money.

I actually think there were likey 2. One of them was identified by the private investigator hired by the Ramsey family. He was telling a co-worker (who reported this) at a salvage yard that he'd be getting about half that amount around Christmas. Then he died a day after the Boulder PD came out with their announcement that they're getting closer to identifying the killer. It was classified as a suicide, but there's doubt over that. I think it was his partner in crime, who seems masterful at covering his tracks.

I think it was a kidnapping for ransom planned ahead of time and they did hide out in the house for a while. But while they planned how to get in, they didn't plan too well on how to get out with JB. A neighbor heard screaming; maybe JB started kicking and screaming as they tried to get her out the window. I wonder if one then got scared and took off, and the other then decided to kill her instead at the house then took off himself.

The family was completely cleared by DNA technology that only became available in 2008, and they received a public apology from the DA's office.


Yes, many people did. They concluded that it was written by a religious middle aged woman who lived in Boulder. seriously.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 14:55     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?

Anonymous wrote:I feel like Lou Smit had a very solid resume in crime investigation. Much more credible than any of the rubes from the PD. I don't think he concluded that the parents were not guilty; merely that there was enough evidence to seriously consider an intruder. Which to my mind is reasonable doubt.


NP here. I agree with Lou Smit's conclusions. The question I have is did anyone do a psychological profile of the letter writer, not just handwriting analysis. My amateur conclusions about the letter point to someone outside the family. I also think by the way the letter F was written in it, it was written by a man. I'm not an expert, but I never saw a woman write an F that way, only men. And it just comes across to me that the letter writer's hand was bigger than an average woman's hand. There were a few quotes in it taken from movies, I think it was someone who like watching those movies over and over. The genre would appeal to men. Someone who also thought that $118K was a lot of money, because with the Ramsey's, why wouldn't you ask for more? So someone who didn't make a lot of money.

I actually think there were likey 2. One of them was identified by the private investigator hired by the Ramsey family. He was telling a co-worker (who reported this) at a salvage yard that he'd be getting about half that amount around Christmas. Then he died a day after the Boulder PD came out with their announcement that they're getting closer to identifying the killer. It was classified as a suicide, but there's doubt over that. I think it was his partner in crime, who seems masterful at covering his tracks.

I think it was a kidnapping for ransom planned ahead of time and they did hide out in the house for a while. But while they planned how to get in, they didn't plan too well on how to get out with JB. A neighbor heard screaming; maybe JB started kicking and screaming as they tried to get her out the window. I wonder if one then got scared and took off, and the other then decided to kill her instead at the house then took off himself.

The family was completely cleared by DNA technology that only became available in 2008, and they received a public apology from the DA's office.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 14:38     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?

I feel like some people would NEVER believe that the killer was a family member no matter what because it's simply too hard to fathom that family would do something like that.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 14:19     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?


SO, how in the world was that suitcase under the window sill, supposed to hold an adult? Seriously? Have you EVER tried to step down on an EMPTY SUITCASE? Did they not think of that either....there is NO WAY an intruder came in, NO WAY.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 14:19     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel like Lou Smit had a very solid resume in crime investigation. Much more credible than any of the rubes from the PD. I don't think he concluded that the parents were not guilty; merely that there was enough evidence to seriously consider an intruder. Which to my mind is reasonable doubt.


Whatever, this isn't a trial, you are entitled to whatever position you want. I personally think it was someone in the family. No intruder is looking for her favorite blanket in the dryer, sitting down to write a two plus page letter with the family in the house and then returning th pen to the correct drawer, etc. .v




It was not her favorite blanket. It was an extra blanket that belonged to her sister that was in the dryer. The laundry room was near where she was killed in the basement. The sharpies and pad of paper were on the counter in the hall/kitchen. The sharpies in a cup. Most people have the same set up. The killer wrote the note to buy himself time in case they woke up. We have sharpies in a cup and a pad of paper on the end of our counter.


And a random intruder isn't going to go into someone's dryer to look for a blanket. They aren't going to sit down and write a long winded, dramatic ransom note (with draft!) to buy himself time - it took time to write that note.

It's too crazy to think that a parent would do this to their own child. And, yet, it's crazy to think that an intruder would get a blanket out of the dryer, set up a tea party w/pineapple for JonBenet...Everything is so weird that it almost has to be intentionally weird.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 14:16     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel like Lou Smit had a very solid resume in crime investigation. Much more credible than any of the rubes from the PD. I don't think he concluded that the parents were not guilty; merely that there was enough evidence to seriously consider an intruder. Which to my mind is reasonable doubt.


Whatever, this isn't a trial, you are entitled to whatever position you want. I personally think it was someone in the family. No intruder is looking for her favorite blanket in the dryer, sitting down to write a two plus page letter with the family in the house and then returning th pen to the correct drawer, etc. .v




It was not her favorite blanket. It was an extra blanket that belonged to her sister that was in the dryer. The laundry room was near where she was killed in the basement. The sharpies and pad of paper were on the counter in the hall/kitchen. The sharpies in a cup. Most people have the same set up. The killer wrote the note to buy himself time in case they woke up. We have sharpies in a cup and a pad of paper on the end of our counter.



And you think a random intruder would have thought to look in the dryer for a blanket?


It wasn't a random intruder. It was the neighbor. He was a friend of the family. So was his wife. They knew the Ramseys well enough to ask for an invitation to play Santa at their Christmas party and the Ramsays obliged. JonBenet gave him a present before his heart surgery. He had been in the house and were familiar with it. He had all of the time in the world to plan this assault and murder.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 14:13     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?

Anonymous wrote:I feel like Lou Smit had a very solid resume in crime investigation. Much more credible than any of the rubes from the PD. I don't think he concluded that the parents were not guilty; merely that there was enough evidence to seriously consider an intruder. Which to my mind is reasonable doubt.


+1000

A shame that the police messed up the investigation so we will never know.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 14:10     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel like Lou Smit had a very solid resume in crime investigation. Much more credible than any of the rubes from the PD. I don't think he concluded that the parents were not guilty; merely that there was enough evidence to seriously consider an intruder. Which to my mind is reasonable doubt.


Whatever, this isn't a trial, you are entitled to whatever position you want. I personally think it was someone in the family. No intruder is looking for her favorite blanket in the dryer, sitting down to write a two plus page letter with the family in the house and then returning th pen to the correct drawer, etc. .v




It was not her favorite blanket. It was an extra blanket that belonged to her sister that was in the dryer. The laundry room was near where she was killed in the basement. The sharpies and pad of paper were on the counter in the hall/kitchen. The sharpies in a cup. Most people have the same set up. The killer wrote the note to buy himself time in case they woke up. We have sharpies in a cup and a pad of paper on the end of our counter.




And you think a random intruder would have thought to look in the dryer for a blanket?
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 14:08     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I feel like Lou Smit had a very solid resume in crime investigation. Much more credible than any of the rubes from the PD. I don't think he concluded that the parents were not guilty; merely that there was enough evidence to seriously consider an intruder. Which to my mind is reasonable doubt.


Whatever, this isn't a trial, you are entitled to whatever position you want. I personally think it was someone in the family. No intruder is looking for her favorite blanket in the dryer, sitting down to write a two plus page letter with the family in the house and then returning th pen to the correct drawer, etc. .v




It was not her favorite blanket. It was an extra blanket that belonged to her sister that was in the dryer. The laundry room was near where she was killed in the basement. The sharpies and pad of paper were on the counter in the hall/kitchen. The sharpies in a cup. Most people have the same set up. The killer wrote the note to buy himself time in case they woke up. We have sharpies in a cup and a pad of paper on the end of our counter.
Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 13:40     Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?

Anonymous wrote:I feel like Lou Smit had a very solid resume in crime investigation. Much more credible than any of the rubes from the PD. I don't think he concluded that the parents were not guilty; merely that there was enough evidence to seriously consider an intruder. Which to my mind is reasonable doubt.


Whatever, this isn't a trial, you are entitled to whatever position you want. I personally think it was someone in the family. No intruder is looking for her favorite blanket in the dryer, sitting down to write a two plus page letter with the family in the house and then returning th pen to the correct drawer, etc. .v

Anonymous
Post 09/16/2016 13:34     Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
YES!!! That's it....but I just seen that all of his comments were deleted? Do they usually do that?


No. He did it. He didn't realize that he was posting on an open forum, rather than a closed forum. He deleted his user account and that deleted all of his comments.



The Denver post link has all of his original responses.