really doesn't seem like rape to me either. Read the facts of the case, not the silly internet hysteria.

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Anonymous wrote:My post reads angrily to you? Hmm. I've never been raped, and I don't drink. I take normal safety precautions. My irritation is that on every fucking one of these threads, it's "women need to watch themselves and their behavior," every time. Every time. It's tired. It's not the issue. The issue is that women - old, young, sober, shitfaced, virgin, prostitute are raped, every day. And somehow the story always circles back to what they did or didn't do to cause it or prevent it.

NP here: I feel you, PP. Every fucking time.

This, plus a million. Every damn time a story like this hits the press, I can predict that the conversation is almost immediately going to turn to the woman and what she did wrong. Every damn time. Just once, I'd like to have a conversation about rape in which no one feels like the most important thing they can contribute is scolding the victim for her supposed mistakes.

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What exactly are you expecting to happen? You want to be able to stumble bum around black out drunk whenever/wherever you please with the GUARANTEE that nothing bad will happen to you? Ha. Dream on.

Not the PP, but I think the desirable situation would be that if you are stumbling around drunk and someone attacks you, more blame is placed on the attacker than on you. I learned defensive driving in drivers ed. That has been useful on the road when someone is clearly swerving and/or speeding recklessly. If they hit me, though, the reaction is not likely to be, "Did you remember to drive defensively?" as opposed to, "Why was that person driving 115mph and changing lanes?"

It's not BLAME. It's preparing ourselves for the future. You hear about that terrible accident and tell your kids "don't drive recklessly AND do drive defensively." You even might say "there are angry drivers out there, just be cool so you don't trigger road rage."

OMG, one day later and you are still here responding to every other post about the need to prepare women and minimize risks. Here's the thing, no one is perfect all the time. Even the best of us will do stupid things because we are human. So yes, IT IS IMPORTANT TO TEACH GIRLS HOW TO PROTECT THEMSELVES AND NOT PUT THEMSEVLES IN VULNERABLE POSITIONS. But posters here are angry about a verified sexual assault and all you can do is come back post after post about how girls are putting themselves at risk.

1. Glad you agree with me.
2. It's still not BLAME.
3. Go rag on the guy who is crying over Brock's shattered life. Maybe *he* is the one enabling rapists.

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Anonymous wrote:Brock raped her! The jury of his peers returned a guilty verdict. He is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Should be in jail where some guy name Rufus will take care of his lily white little ass.

He didn't rape anyone. Two drunk people making out behind a dumpster--that's all there's to it. She passed out and his life is ruined. And she is not traumatized by spending time with him but rather by everything that happened afterwards: police, hospital, rape kit, questioning, exposing that she cheated on her boyfriend with a teenager several years her junior etc. So the swedes created good intentions and road to hell type of situation. Ruining his life over this nonsense is totally ridiculous.

Wow. So even though you weren't there, you know more than the jurors who unanimously agreed he did? And you believe the kid over the two eye witnesses? Sure, that makes a lot of sense. Your ignorance is downright terrifying.

All the witnesses saw was "thrusting". Nothing else can proven beyond the reasonable doubt. He should appeal and the case should be dismissed.

You don't actually know exactly what was seen unless you have access to information beyond what is published in MSM.
Haven't you heard, he has filed (or plans to) for an appeal.
Wait and let the judicial process work. Not your call if it should be dismissed.

Sorry if this is already posted, but does anyone have a link to the very original article that the victim read about her assault?

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Anonymous wrote:My post reads angrily to you? Hmm. I've never been raped, and I don't drink. I take normal safety precautions. My irritation is that on every fucking one of these threads, it's "women need to watch themselves and their behavior," every time. Every time. It's tired. It's not the issue. The issue is that women - old, young, sober, shitfaced, virgin, prostitute are raped, every day. And somehow the story always circles back to what they did or didn't do to cause it or prevent it.

NP here: I feel you, PP. Every fucking time.

This, plus a million. Every damn time a story like this hits the press, I can predict that the conversation is almost immediately going to turn to the woman and what she did wrong. Every damn time. Just once, I'd like to have a conversation about rape in which no one feels like the most important thing they can contribute is scolding the victim for her supposed mistakes.

The Vanderbilt case, which had very different facts and was a very different crime -- you will see no discussion of the woman's actions or inactions. So not every time, just most of the time.

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Anonymous wrote:My post reads angrily to you? Hmm. I've never been raped, and I don't drink. I take normal safety precautions. My irritation is that on every fucking one of these threads, it's "women need to watch themselves and their behavior," every time. Every time. It's tired. It's not the issue. The issue is that women - old, young, sober, shitfaced, virgin, prostitute are raped, every day. And somehow the story always circles back to what they did or didn't do to cause it or prevent it.

NP here: I feel you, PP. Every fucking time.

This, plus a million. Every damn time a story like this hits the press, I can predict that the conversation is almost immediately going to turn to the woman and what she did wrong. Every damn time. Just once, I'd like to have a conversation about rape in which no one feels like the most important thing they can contribute is scolding the victim for her supposed mistakes.

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Anonymous wrote:Brock raped her! The jury of his peers returned a guilty verdict. He is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Should be in jail where some guy name Rufus will take care of his lily white little ass.

He didn't rape anyone. Two drunk people making out behind a dumpster--that's all there's to it. She passed out and his life is ruined. And she is not traumatized by spending time with him but rather by everything that happened afterwards: police, hospital, rape kit, questioning, exposing that she cheated on her boyfriend with a teenager several years her junior etc. So the swedes created good intentions and road to hell type of situation. Ruining his life over this nonsense is totally ridiculous.

Wow. So even though you weren't there, you know more than the jurors who unanimously agreed he did? And you believe the kid over the two eye witnesses? Sure, that makes a lot of sense. Your ignorance is downright terrifying.

All the witnesses saw was "thrusting". Nothing else can proven beyond the reasonable doubt. He should appeal and the case should be dismissed.

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Anonymous wrote:The only time anyone cares about these "rape" stories is when it's an elite white boy. I was raped by 2 black men...no one cared. Their rap sheets were as long as could be. They only got 2 years in jail and went on to rape a lot more people. No one writes about them.

I'm very sorry that that happened to you, and that your rapes were not taken seriously. I don't think it was solely a function of the criminal's race: rape isn't taken seriously, period. Violence against women still isn't taken seriously. Hell, people act like "women's issues" are some sort of preciously mockable special interest group's pet project.

I wish you peace.

Yeah, society didn't protect you PP because look at the people in this thread talking about this dude's life being ruined. He raped someone -- a crime -- but boohoooooo his LIFEEEE is ruined. GTFOOHWTBS

I am sorry we, as a society abd culture, let this happen to you, and as other PP said, I wish you peace.

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Anonymous wrote:Brock raped her! The jury of his peers returned a guilty verdict. He is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Should be in jail where some guy name Rufus will take care of his lily white little ass.

He didn't rape anyone. Two drunk people making out behind a dumpster--that's all there's to it. She passed out and his life is ruined. And she is not traumatized by spending time with him but rather by everything that happened afterwards: police, hospital, rape kit, questioning, exposing that she cheated on her boyfriend with a teenager several years her junior etc. So the swedes created good intentions and road to hell type of situation. Ruining his life over this nonsense is totally ridiculous.

Landon parent.

Anonymous wrote:wish people would stop calling it rape. it was sexual assault. rape charges were dropped.

would be interested to read examination and cross-examination of victim but unable to find. here is the complaint with statements by involved persons: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/1532973/complaint-brock-turner.pdf

OK. So he is not "technically" a "rapist." He's still a sh*tbag who deserves more than the slap on the wrist he got. So, through his own actions he blew his ride and chances at Olympic stardom. Hey, Brock, lesson learned. You status as an Olympic caliber athlete don't mean sh*t. I will not cry for you and your lost scholarship. Maybe, like Michael Vick, you'll get a second chance somewhere, but I doubt it. What a f**king idiot you are. And your father? WTF? Your son got a minimum of what he deserved. I would suggest a stint in the Marine Corps, but as a convicted felon they won't take him. How's your Spanish Brock? You're gonna need it down on the line at the Golden Arches!

And all you student-athelete parents who think your kids should get a free ride b/c they are "special." F*ck you too.

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Anonymous wrote:Brock raped her! The jury of his peers returned a guilty verdict. He is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Should be in jail where some guy name Rufus will take care of his lily white little ass.

He didn't rape anyone. Two drunk people making out behind a dumpster--that's all there's to it. She passed out and his life is ruined. And she is not traumatized by spending time with him but rather by everything that happened afterwards: police, hospital, rape kit, questioning, exposing that she cheated on her boyfriend with a teenager several years her junior etc. So the swedes created good intentions and road to hell type of situation. Ruining his life over this nonsense is totally ridiculous.

You are a rape apologist and your perspective is a part of the problem. Stop. It. Now. But more than anything I hope you aren't sharing your pro rape views with young people. She was so obviously unconscious that two people on bikes noticed how wrong this was just passing by. They ran after him, tackled him and seeing the attack upset them. Either you are a woman who is very afraid, a woman who is a survivor, and I'm sorry if that's true, or more likely a man- who has no idea what he's talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:Brock raped her! The jury of his peers returned a guilty verdict. He is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Should be in jail where some guy name Rufus will take care of his lily white little ass.

He didn't rape anyone. Two drunk people making out behind a dumpster--that's all there's to it. She passed out and his life is ruined. And she is not traumatized by spending time with him but rather by everything that happened afterwards: police, hospital, rape kit, questioning, exposing that she cheated on her boyfriend with a teenager several years her junior etc. So the swedes created good intentions and road to hell type of situation. Ruining his life over this nonsense is totally ridiculous.

Wow. So even though you weren't there, you know more than the jurors who unanimously agreed he did? And you believe the kid over the two eye witnesses? Sure, that makes a lot of sense. Your ignorance is downright terrifying.

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Anonymous wrote:Brock raped her! The jury of his peers returned a guilty verdict. He is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Should be in jail where some guy name Rufus will take care of his lily white little ass.

He didn't rape anyone. Two drunk people making out behind a dumpster--that's all there's to it. She passed out and his life is ruined. And she is not traumatized by spending time with him but rather by everything that happened afterwards: police, hospital, rape kit, questioning, exposing that she cheated on her boyfriend with a teenager several years her junior etc. So the swedes created good intentions and road to hell type of situation. Ruining his life over this nonsense is totally ridiculous.

Stop. Just stop.

Anonymous wrote:Brock raped her! The jury of his peers returned a guilty verdict. He is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Should be in jail where some guy name Rufus will take care of his lily white little ass.

He didn't rape anyone. Two drunk people making out behind a dumpster--that's all there's to it. She passed out and his life is ruined. And she is not traumatized by spending time with him but rather by everything that happened afterwards: police, hospital, rape kit, questioning, exposing that she cheated on her boyfriend with a teenager several years her junior etc. So the swedes created good intentions and road to hell type of situation. Ruining his life over this nonsense is totally ridiculous.