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Anonymous wrote:Some of ya'll really need to settle down. Great teachers exist outside of the magnet programs. One of my kids not at a magnet Algebra teacher had a masters in math from John Hopkins. My other kid's MS math teacher (different school) was certified to teach math at the MS and HS level and was finishing up an Education Leadership doctorate.

Some teach a schools that are closer to where they live, others want to influence a certain demographic, and others are just happy at their school.

Will there likely need to be some hiring and training, sure, but if they finalize things in short order, like by February, they will have at least a whole year to get that done. Heck they could make it part of the recruiting strategy now.

No one said we don't have some great teachers, but some people want advanced math in *every* HS. Finding good teachers to teach really advanced math for every HS is going to be very difficult to find, not to mention the fact that in some schools there won't be enough demand for such classes to fill the classroom. Not good use of taxpayer $.

They only need one teacher for anything past bc. We have several teachers who could teach it. You just need Mv and linear algebra at every school. So, that’s two extra classes beyond what is provided now.

Not true... At Blair, math classes include Logic, Discrete Mathematics, Advanced Geometry, Origins of Math, Complex Analysis (This is the course after MV calc and Lin Alg), and an Advanced Statistics Class (not to be confused with AP Stats). Similar things hold for science classes. As you can clearly see, it will be impossible to implement all these classes to the level they are taught at at Blair across the regional programs.

You are missing the point that we don't need a school offering all these COLLEGE LEVEL classes when we haven't even solved for offering the basic advance class offerings to all academically advanced students. Some schools aren't even offering AP Stats, BC Calc, or MVC.

So are you hoping the deterioration of the current Blair magnet can lead to creation of those advanced math classes (just AP Stats, BC Calc and MVC) in every other HS? You do realize that teachers who are capable of teaching these class require either math-major background or excessive training. And schools who can open these courses require enough student enrollment. Taylor has been very explicit that he plans to spend zero dollar on extra training or recruiting new teachers. The savings that you can get from letting Blair magnet teachers go wouldn't afford the 6 regional programs nor advanced math classes in every HS.

Both are needed but the magnets serve a very small number of kids so is it worth MCPS funding when they can go to their home schools and get advance classes and then more kids can benefit from it?

The regional model wouldn't shut down Blair/Poolsville SMACS nor RMIB. So assuming teachers there still want to stay, you don't save any $$ from not letting the very small number of high-achiever kids attending Blair SMACS anymore. Instead, the ones with homeschool from Ws can probably still at least take up to MVC back in their home schools or in a regional STEM program, but the other ones will find no advanced math courses back in their regions, because either lacking qualified teachers, or enough high-achieving students to enroll with him/her. In the same time, the regional model will face more and more in-equality over the time. In practice, you probably will see the magnet teachers either leave (because there's no more really advanced class to teach anymore) or move to regions with more resources (money-wise, student resource-wise, etc.).

Exactly, the regional model creates further inequalities, so if the regional model is being proposed in the name of equity, then it makes no sense. The regions with established nationally-known programs will benefit from those programs while the regions with the new watered-down programs will be blocked off from those excellent programs. All this regional model does is ghettoize the inequalities further within some regions. For example, someone on here crunched the numbers on existing learning gaps and other socioeconomic indicators and some regions are really getting the short end of the stick here. That's the whole point of these county wide magnets, to make the same opportunities available to students from across the county, not ghettoize resources and the best opportunities within the W regions.

The regional model is silly as few will want to travel cross county. Rich schools still will have all the classes and the other schools still will not. It really is all show and no substance.

It may well come down to what you have written. Higher SES students in west county will stay home, and the home catchment students are prioritized for a seat in those west county schools. East county students in the same regions won't have an opportunity to attend a west county school in their home regions.

No, yesterday they described it as only a portion of the program seats being dedicated to the home school students, and the rest being for the other schools in that region.

But they didn't give actual numbers yesterday, did they? Of course not. Because they have little idea what the programs will look like, and no idea yet what those program (physical building) requirements will be, which has an impact on the number of student seats that will be available. Then, factor in population growth, which increases home catchment student populations. East county will have a limited number of students being able to get into west county schools. Meanwhile, the east county schools are being made to weaken, likely significantly, the programs that have provided the east county schools academic achievement.

They did have numbers on slide 43: 200-240 regional seats plus 100 local seats each for two programs at GHS. I don't know if those are representative of all programs or just how those particular programs might be proportioned.

The school district is pulling numbers out of the air at this point. Look at where new developments are going in the county. Regional seat apportionment will be decreased to allow for local students who must be given access to their local schools. We'll have to see what the final boundaries are for schools, but take a look at current capacities and general enrollment at the high schools to see what the numbers of available seats are. And how long will it take for a school system that doesn't allocate sufficient staffing and resources for professional learning to build regional programs that will attract high achieving cohorts? Do you think west county students are going to sign up for programs in east county?

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Anonymous wrote:Some of ya'll really need to settle down. Great teachers exist outside of the magnet programs. One of my kids not at a magnet Algebra teacher had a masters in math from John Hopkins. My other kid's MS math teacher (different school) was certified to teach math at the MS and HS level and was finishing up an Education Leadership doctorate.

Some teach a schools that are closer to where they live, others want to influence a certain demographic, and others are just happy at their school.

Will there likely need to be some hiring and training, sure, but if they finalize things in short order, like by February, they will have at least a whole year to get that done. Heck they could make it part of the recruiting strategy now.

No one said we don't have some great teachers, but some people want advanced math in *every* HS. Finding good teachers to teach really advanced math for every HS is going to be very difficult to find, not to mention the fact that in some schools there won't be enough demand for such classes to fill the classroom. Not good use of taxpayer $.

They only need one teacher for anything past bc. We have several teachers who could teach it. You just need Mv and linear algebra at every school. So, that’s two extra classes beyond what is provided now.

Not true... At Blair, math classes include Logic, Discrete Mathematics, Advanced Geometry, Origins of Math, Complex Analysis (This is the course after MV calc and Lin Alg), and an Advanced Statistics Class (not to be confused with AP Stats). Similar things hold for science classes. As you can clearly see, it will be impossible to implement all these classes to the level they are taught at at Blair across the regional programs.

You are missing the point that we don't need a school offering all these COLLEGE LEVEL classes when we haven't even solved for offering the basic advance class offerings to all academically advanced students. Some schools aren't even offering AP Stats, BC Calc, or MVC.

So are you hoping the deterioration of the current Blair magnet can lead to creation of those advanced math classes (just AP Stats, BC Calc and MVC) in every other HS? You do realize that teachers who are capable of teaching these class require either math-major background or excessive training. And schools who can open these courses require enough student enrollment. Taylor has been very explicit that he plans to spend zero dollar on extra training or recruiting new teachers. The savings that you can get from letting Blair magnet teachers go wouldn't afford the 6 regional programs nor advanced math classes in every HS.

Both are needed but the magnets serve a very small number of kids so is it worth MCPS funding when they can go to their home schools and get advance classes and then more kids can benefit from it?

The regional model wouldn't shut down Blair/Poolsville SMACS nor RMIB. So assuming teachers there still want to stay, you don't save any $$ from not letting the very small number of high-achiever kids attending Blair SMACS anymore. Instead, the ones with homeschool from Ws can probably still at least take up to MVC back in their home schools or in a regional STEM program, but the other ones will find no advanced math courses back in their regions, because either lacking qualified teachers, or enough high-achieving students to enroll with him/her. In the same time, the regional model will face more and more in-equality over the time. In practice, you probably will see the magnet teachers either leave (because there's no more really advanced class to teach anymore) or move to regions with more resources (money-wise, student resource-wise, etc.).

Exactly, the regional model creates further inequalities, so if the regional model is being proposed in the name of equity, then it makes no sense. The regions with established nationally-known programs will benefit from those programs while the regions with the new watered-down programs will be blocked off from those excellent programs. All this regional model does is ghettoize the inequalities further within some regions. For example, someone on here crunched the numbers on existing learning gaps and other socioeconomic indicators and some regions are really getting the short end of the stick here. That's the whole point of these county wide magnets, to make the same opportunities available to students from across the county, not ghettoize resources and the best opportunities within the W regions.

The regional model is silly as few will want to travel cross county. Rich schools still will have all the classes and the other schools still will not. It really is all show and no substance.

It may well come down to what you have written. Higher SES students in west county will stay home, and the home catchment students are prioritized for a seat in those west county schools. East county students in the same regions won't have an opportunity to attend a west county school in their home regions.

No, yesterday they described it as only a portion of the program seats being dedicated to the home school students, and the rest being for the other schools in that region.

But they didn't give actual numbers yesterday, did they? Of course not. Because they have little idea what the programs will look like, and no idea yet what those program (physical building) requirements will be, which has an impact on the number of student seats that will be available. Then, factor in population growth, which increases home catchment student populations. East county will have a limited number of students being able to get into west county schools. Meanwhile, the east county schools are being made to weaken, likely significantly, the programs that have provided the east county schools academic achievement.

They did have numbers on slide 43: 200-240 regional seats plus 100 local seats each for two programs at GHS. I don't know if those are representative of all programs or just how those particular programs might be proportioned.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of ya'll really need to settle down. Great teachers exist outside of the magnet programs. One of my kids not at a magnet Algebra teacher had a masters in math from John Hopkins. My other kid's MS math teacher (different school) was certified to teach math at the MS and HS level and was finishing up an Education Leadership doctorate.

Some teach a schools that are closer to where they live, others want to influence a certain demographic, and others are just happy at their school.

Will there likely need to be some hiring and training, sure, but if they finalize things in short order, like by February, they will have at least a whole year to get that done. Heck they could make it part of the recruiting strategy now.

No one said we don't have some great teachers, but some people want advanced math in *every* HS. Finding good teachers to teach really advanced math for every HS is going to be very difficult to find, not to mention the fact that in some schools there won't be enough demand for such classes to fill the classroom. Not good use of taxpayer $.

They only need one teacher for anything past bc. We have several teachers who could teach it. You just need Mv and linear algebra at every school. So, that’s two extra classes beyond what is provided now.

Not true... At Blair, math classes include Logic, Discrete Mathematics, Advanced Geometry, Origins of Math, Complex Analysis (This is the course after MV calc and Lin Alg), and an Advanced Statistics Class (not to be confused with AP Stats). Similar things hold for science classes. As you can clearly see, it will be impossible to implement all these classes to the level they are taught at at Blair across the regional programs.

You don't need all those. You just need MV and Linear Algebra at every school, so there is enough math to fulfill requirements. You keep pushing Blair but many of our kids have no interest in Blair but need more academic classes than are being offered. Pushing Blair is silly when it only takes 100 students. You are pushing needing more Blairs but even if there were more, my kids wouldn't choose it due to the rigid curriculum and distance.

DP. A year-long MVC, which is appropriate for non-magnet (that which I believe the poster, here, is discussing -- "every school"), allowing coverage of the breadth of that subject and not beholden to an outside curriculum such as College Board's AP, would satisfy the necessary progression in Math for any taking the standard higher-acceleration offered by MCPS:

4th - Math 4/5
5th - Math 5/6
6th - PreAlgebra
7th - Algebra
8th - Honors Geometry
9th - Honors Algebra II
10th - Honors PreCalculus
11th - AP Calculus BC
12th - Multivariable Calculus (MVC)

Depending on how MSDE & MCPS hash out the shift to Integrated Algebra, there could be yet another year of acceleration. That is, if either:

MCPS, after Integrated Algebra 1 in 7th and Integrated Algebra 2 in 8th, offers a newer version of Honors PreCal that incorporates the concepts removed from the current A1/Geo/A2 progression in the IA1/IA2 progression

or

MCPS is allowed to offer an Honors version of IA1/IA2 that reincorporates those concepts at an accelerated pace,

then Math-focused students on the standard higher-acceleration path would be taking AP Calculus BC in 10th grade. They would need two year-long courses afterwards to meet the math-in-every-year MSDE graduation requirement (not to mention to keep touch with the subject).

However, unlike MVC, which very clearly is important to immediately follow Calculus (generally, 101 & 102 in college or AP Calc BC in high school), it is not as important to take classes such as Linear Algebra and Differential Equations after MVC with the same sequential immediacy. In that case, having available AP Statistics, a rather worthy subject in and of itself, if also not one that carries the same sequence-immediacy concern as MVC, would suffice as the 12th grade option for those accelerated, but not in a STEM magnet.

STEM magnets are the proper place for Linear Algebra, Differential Equations and the courses that have been unique to Blair (and Poolesville, if not quite to the same extent) -- the PP's aforementioned "Logic, Discrete Mathematics, Advanced Geometry, Origins of Math, Complex Analysis..., and...Advanced Statistics." One hopes that each STEM magnet will offer such an array of courses.

(As an aside: from a sequential standpoint, Linear Algebra, particularly, might go most anywhere; while it would cover topics that could bring additional insight to MVC, that insight can be gleaned from a later taking of LA. Some colleges, and perhaps SMCS, might approach MVC & LA, or MVC, LA & DE, in an integrated fashion, but that is not appropriate to the course load/subject distribution of a non-STEM magnet, where one would expect only one period of Math at a time.)

Every HS, though, should have available, on-site/in-person, MVC in addition to the Math APs:

Ap Precalc -- if preferred to Honors, which is debatable,

AP Calc AB -- for those hitting Calculus without the Math interest/ability to start with BC,

AP Calc BC -- sequential for those having opted for AB and primary for those with the noted Math interest/ability, and

AP Statistics -- both for those more attuned to that than the Calc path and as a Senior-year option for those having completed MVC as a junior.

This is to support MCPS's own standard, accessed across the county, and MSDE's graduation requirements, in addition to any individual student need. As such, there should be no burden of access or efficacy for these classes, such as would be seen with virtual instruction or dual enrollment, and there most certainly should not be such a burden at one non-magnet school where there is not at another non-magnet school.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of ya'll really need to settle down. Great teachers exist outside of the magnet programs. One of my kids not at a magnet Algebra teacher had a masters in math from John Hopkins. My other kid's MS math teacher (different school) was certified to teach math at the MS and HS level and was finishing up an Education Leadership doctorate.

Some teach a schools that are closer to where they live, others want to influence a certain demographic, and others are just happy at their school.

Will there likely need to be some hiring and training, sure, but if they finalize things in short order, like by February, they will have at least a whole year to get that done. Heck they could make it part of the recruiting strategy now.

No one said we don't have some great teachers, but some people want advanced math in *every* HS. Finding good teachers to teach really advanced math for every HS is going to be very difficult to find, not to mention the fact that in some schools there won't be enough demand for such classes to fill the classroom. Not good use of taxpayer $.

They only need one teacher for anything past bc. We have several teachers who could teach it. You just need Mv and linear algebra at every school. So, that’s two extra classes beyond what is provided now.

Not true... At Blair, math classes include Logic, Discrete Mathematics, Advanced Geometry, Origins of Math, Complex Analysis (This is the course after MV calc and Lin Alg), and an Advanced Statistics Class (not to be confused with AP Stats). Similar things hold for science classes. As you can clearly see, it will be impossible to implement all these classes to the level they are taught at at Blair across the regional programs.

You are missing the point that we don't need a school offering all these COLLEGE LEVEL classes when we haven't even solved for offering the basic advance class offerings to all academically advanced students. Some schools aren't even offering AP Stats, BC Calc, or MVC.

So are you hoping the deterioration of the current Blair magnet can lead to creation of those advanced math classes (just AP Stats, BC Calc and MVC) in every other HS? You do realize that teachers who are capable of teaching these class require either math-major background or excessive training. And schools who can open these courses require enough student enrollment. Taylor has been very explicit that he plans to spend zero dollar on extra training or recruiting new teachers. The savings that you can get from letting Blair magnet teachers go wouldn't afford the 6 regional programs nor advanced math classes in every HS.

Both are needed but the magnets serve a very small number of kids so is it worth MCPS funding when they can go to their home schools and get advance classes and then more kids can benefit from it?

The regional model wouldn't shut down Blair/Poolsville SMACS nor RMIB. So assuming teachers there still want to stay, you don't save any $$ from not letting the very small number of high-achiever kids attending Blair SMACS anymore. Instead, the ones with homeschool from Ws can probably still at least take up to MVC back in their home schools or in a regional STEM program, but the other ones will find no advanced math courses back in their regions, because either lacking qualified teachers, or enough high-achieving students to enroll with him/her. In the same time, the regional model will face more and more in-equality over the time. In practice, you probably will see the magnet teachers either leave (because there's no more really advanced class to teach anymore) or move to regions with more resources (money-wise, student resource-wise, etc.).

Exactly, the regional model creates further inequalities, so if the regional model is being proposed in the name of equity, then it makes no sense. The regions with established nationally-known programs will benefit from those programs while the regions with the new watered-down programs will be blocked off from those excellent programs. All this regional model does is ghettoize the inequalities further within some regions. For example, someone on here crunched the numbers on existing learning gaps and other socioeconomic indicators and some regions are really getting the short end of the stick here. That's the whole point of these county wide magnets, to make the same opportunities available to students from across the county, not ghettoize resources and the best opportunities within the W regions.

The regional model is silly as few will want to travel cross county. Rich schools still will have all the classes and the other schools still will not. It really is all show and no substance.

It may well come down to what you have written. Higher SES students in west county will stay home, and the home catchment students are prioritized for a seat in those west county schools. East county students in the same regions won't have an opportunity to attend a west county school in their home regions.

Exactly. Blair SMACS was brought to Blair at the very beginning to combat the inequity between western and eastern county, and now the regional model will restore and strengthen the segregation and resource disparity.

Whoever wrote this last comment - please email it to boe@mcpsmd.org

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Anonymous wrote:Some of ya'll really need to settle down. Great teachers exist outside of the magnet programs. One of my kids not at a magnet Algebra teacher had a masters in math from John Hopkins. My other kid's MS math teacher (different school) was certified to teach math at the MS and HS level and was finishing up an Education Leadership doctorate.

Some teach a schools that are closer to where they live, others want to influence a certain demographic, and others are just happy at their school.

Will there likely need to be some hiring and training, sure, but if they finalize things in short order, like by February, they will have at least a whole year to get that done. Heck they could make it part of the recruiting strategy now.

No one said we don't have some great teachers, but some people want advanced math in *every* HS. Finding good teachers to teach really advanced math for every HS is going to be very difficult to find, not to mention the fact that in some schools there won't be enough demand for such classes to fill the classroom. Not good use of taxpayer $.

They only need one teacher for anything past bc. We have several teachers who could teach it. You just need Mv and linear algebra at every school. So, that’s two extra classes beyond what is provided now.

Not true... At Blair, math classes include Logic, Discrete Mathematics, Advanced Geometry, Origins of Math, Complex Analysis (This is the course after MV calc and Lin Alg), and an Advanced Statistics Class (not to be confused with AP Stats). Similar things hold for science classes. As you can clearly see, it will be impossible to implement all these classes to the level they are taught at at Blair across the regional programs.

You are missing the point that we don't need a school offering all these COLLEGE LEVEL classes when we haven't even solved for offering the basic advance class offerings to all academically advanced students. Some schools aren't even offering AP Stats, BC Calc, or MVC.

So are you hoping the deterioration of the current Blair magnet can lead to creation of those advanced math classes (just AP Stats, BC Calc and MVC) in every other HS? You do realize that teachers who are capable of teaching these class require either math-major background or excessive training. And schools who can open these courses require enough student enrollment. Taylor has been very explicit that he plans to spend zero dollar on extra training or recruiting new teachers. The savings that you can get from letting Blair magnet teachers go wouldn't afford the 6 regional programs nor advanced math classes in every HS.

Both are needed but the magnets serve a very small number of kids so is it worth MCPS funding when they can go to their home schools and get advance classes and then more kids can benefit from it?

The regional model wouldn't shut down Blair/Poolsville SMACS nor RMIB. So assuming teachers there still want to stay, you don't save any $$ from not letting the very small number of high-achiever kids attending Blair SMACS anymore. Instead, the ones with homeschool from Ws can probably still at least take up to MVC back in their home schools or in a regional STEM program, but the other ones will find no advanced math courses back in their regions, because either lacking qualified teachers, or enough high-achieving students to enroll with him/her. In the same time, the regional model will face more and more in-equality over the time. In practice, you probably will see the magnet teachers either leave (because there's no more really advanced class to teach anymore) or move to regions with more resources (money-wise, student resource-wise, etc.).

Exactly, the regional model creates further inequalities, so if the regional model is being proposed in the name of equity, then it makes no sense. The regions with established nationally-known programs will benefit from those programs while the regions with the new watered-down programs will be blocked off from those excellent programs. All this regional model does is ghettoize the inequalities further within some regions. For example, someone on here crunched the numbers on existing learning gaps and other socioeconomic indicators and some regions are really getting the short end of the stick here. That's the whole point of these county wide magnets, to make the same opportunities available to students from across the county, not ghettoize resources and the best opportunities within the W regions.

The regional model is silly as few will want to travel cross county. Rich schools still will have all the classes and the other schools still will not. It really is all show and no substance.

It may well come down to what you have written. Higher SES students in west county will stay home, and the home catchment students are prioritized for a seat in those west county schools. East county students in the same regions won't have an opportunity to attend a west county school in their home regions.

Exactly. Blair SMACS was brought to Blair at the very beginning to combat the inequity between western and eastern county, and now the regional model will restore and strengthen the segregation and resource disparity.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of ya'll really need to settle down. Great teachers exist outside of the magnet programs. One of my kids not at a magnet Algebra teacher had a masters in math from John Hopkins. My other kid's MS math teacher (different school) was certified to teach math at the MS and HS level and was finishing up an Education Leadership doctorate.

Some teach a schools that are closer to where they live, others want to influence a certain demographic, and others are just happy at their school.

Will there likely need to be some hiring and training, sure, but if they finalize things in short order, like by February, they will have at least a whole year to get that done. Heck they could make it part of the recruiting strategy now.

No one said we don't have some great teachers, but some people want advanced math in *every* HS. Finding good teachers to teach really advanced math for every HS is going to be very difficult to find, not to mention the fact that in some schools there won't be enough demand for such classes to fill the classroom. Not good use of taxpayer $.

They only need one teacher for anything past bc. We have several teachers who could teach it. You just need Mv and linear algebra at every school. So, that’s two extra classes beyond what is provided now.

Not true... At Blair, math classes include Logic, Discrete Mathematics, Advanced Geometry, Origins of Math, Complex Analysis (This is the course after MV calc and Lin Alg), and an Advanced Statistics Class (not to be confused with AP Stats). Similar things hold for science classes. As you can clearly see, it will be impossible to implement all these classes to the level they are taught at at Blair across the regional programs.

You are missing the point that we don't need a school offering all these COLLEGE LEVEL classes when we haven't even solved for offering the basic advance class offerings to all academically advanced students. Some schools aren't even offering AP Stats, BC Calc, or MVC.

So are you hoping the deterioration of the current Blair magnet can lead to creation of those advanced math classes (just AP Stats, BC Calc and MVC) in every other HS? You do realize that teachers who are capable of teaching these class require either math-major background or excessive training. And schools who can open these courses require enough student enrollment. Taylor has been very explicit that he plans to spend zero dollar on extra training or recruiting new teachers. The savings that you can get from letting Blair magnet teachers go wouldn't afford the 6 regional programs nor advanced math classes in every HS.

Both are needed but the magnets serve a very small number of kids so is it worth MCPS funding when they can go to their home schools and get advance classes and then more kids can benefit from it?

The regional model wouldn't shut down Blair/Poolsville SMACS nor RMIB. So assuming teachers there still want to stay, you don't save any $$ from not letting the very small number of high-achiever kids attending Blair SMACS anymore. Instead, the ones with homeschool from Ws can probably still at least take up to MVC back in their home schools or in a regional STEM program, but the other ones will find no advanced math courses back in their regions, because either lacking qualified teachers, or enough high-achieving students to enroll with him/her. In the same time, the regional model will face more and more in-equality over the time. In practice, you probably will see the magnet teachers either leave (because there's no more really advanced class to teach anymore) or move to regions with more resources (money-wise, student resource-wise, etc.).

Exactly, the regional model creates further inequalities, so if the regional model is being proposed in the name of equity, then it makes no sense. The regions with established nationally-known programs will benefit from those programs while the regions with the new watered-down programs will be blocked off from those excellent programs. All this regional model does is ghettoize the inequalities further within some regions. For example, someone on here crunched the numbers on existing learning gaps and other socioeconomic indicators and some regions are really getting the short end of the stick here. That's the whole point of these county wide magnets, to make the same opportunities available to students from across the county, not ghettoize resources and the best opportunities within the W regions.

The regional model is silly as few will want to travel cross county. Rich schools still will have all the classes and the other schools still will not. It really is all show and no substance.

It may well come down to what you have written. Higher SES students in west county will stay home, and the home catchment students are prioritized for a seat in those west county schools. East county students in the same regions won't have an opportunity to attend a west county school in their home regions.

No, yesterday they described it as only a portion of the program seats being dedicated to the home school students, and the rest being for the other schools in that region.

But they didn't give actual numbers yesterday, did they? Of course not. Because they have little idea what the programs will look like, and no idea yet what those program (physical building) requirements will be, which has an impact on the number of student seats that will be available. Then, factor in population growth, which increases home catchment student populations. East county will have a limited number of students being able to get into west county schools. Meanwhile, the east county schools are being made to weaken, likely significantly, the programs that have provided the east county schools academic achievement.

They did have numbers on slide 43: 200-240 regional seats plus 100 local seats each for two programs at GHS. I don't know if those are representative of all programs or just how those particular programs might be proportioned.

Holy inequity, Batman! The Joker is making access to magnets harder from some zip codes than from others!

But what do you expect from the system that has persisted in keeping the four local-school Centers for Enriched Study with much higher seat-to-student-population ratios, the Potomac-students-before-others-get-spots Mandarin Immersion program and the local set-aside for the criteria-based MS programs that sees kids from, e.g., Takoma Park several times as likely to be afforded the magnet education opportunity as kids from other areas in the overall program catchment.

Of course, they'll say something like, "each school will have its own magnet, so it all evens out," missing the point, perhaps deliberately, as not all magnets serve the same types of students. A math-focused student from School A should have the same chance of getting into a math-focused magnet as a similar student from School B. That should be the case whether School A hosts the math magnet, School B hosts the math magnet or School C hosts the math magnet. Ditto for arts-focused students vis-a-vis an arts-focused magnet or healthcare-interested students vis-a-vis s healthcare-focused magnet.

There may be some equity-based justification for having a local set-aside, perhaps to account for differences in opportunities among the school catchments (e.g., Algebra in 6th being offered routinely at one school's feeders but not at another's, in the math case) that would lead to students of similar underlying ability presenting different profiles at the time of magnet consideration. However, making that set-aside any greater than the proportional size of the student body for the school versus the region is setting up, yet again, a prejudiced system.

Did you even watch the presentation and discussion?

Why? Did they say something like, "Oh, our mistake. That local set-aside in the Gaithersburg example should be more or less population-proportional. Please ignore that disproportionate number on the slide."?

I'm not doing your homework for you. Watch the video.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of ya'll really need to settle down. Great teachers exist outside of the magnet programs. One of my kids not at a magnet Algebra teacher had a masters in math from John Hopkins. My other kid's MS math teacher (different school) was certified to teach math at the MS and HS level and was finishing up an Education Leadership doctorate.

Some teach a schools that are closer to where they live, others want to influence a certain demographic, and others are just happy at their school.

Will there likely need to be some hiring and training, sure, but if they finalize things in short order, like by February, they will have at least a whole year to get that done. Heck they could make it part of the recruiting strategy now.

No one said we don't have some great teachers, but some people want advanced math in *every* HS. Finding good teachers to teach really advanced math for every HS is going to be very difficult to find, not to mention the fact that in some schools there won't be enough demand for such classes to fill the classroom. Not good use of taxpayer $.

They only need one teacher for anything past bc. We have several teachers who could teach it. You just need Mv and linear algebra at every school. So, that’s two extra classes beyond what is provided now.

Not true... At Blair, math classes include Logic, Discrete Mathematics, Advanced Geometry, Origins of Math, Complex Analysis (This is the course after MV calc and Lin Alg), and an Advanced Statistics Class (not to be confused with AP Stats). Similar things hold for science classes. As you can clearly see, it will be impossible to implement all these classes to the level they are taught at at Blair across the regional programs.

You are missing the point that we don't need a school offering all these COLLEGE LEVEL classes when we haven't even solved for offering the basic advance class offerings to all academically advanced students. Some schools aren't even offering AP Stats, BC Calc, or MVC.

So are you hoping the deterioration of the current Blair magnet can lead to creation of those advanced math classes (just AP Stats, BC Calc and MVC) in every other HS? You do realize that teachers who are capable of teaching these class require either math-major background or excessive training. And schools who can open these courses require enough student enrollment. Taylor has been very explicit that he plans to spend zero dollar on extra training or recruiting new teachers. The savings that you can get from letting Blair magnet teachers go wouldn't afford the 6 regional programs nor advanced math classes in every HS.

Both are needed but the magnets serve a very small number of kids so is it worth MCPS funding when they can go to their home schools and get advance classes and then more kids can benefit from it?

The regional model wouldn't shut down Blair/Poolsville SMACS nor RMIB. So assuming teachers there still want to stay, you don't save any $$ from not letting the very small number of high-achiever kids attending Blair SMACS anymore. Instead, the ones with homeschool from Ws can probably still at least take up to MVC back in their home schools or in a regional STEM program, but the other ones will find no advanced math courses back in their regions, because either lacking qualified teachers, or enough high-achieving students to enroll with him/her. In the same time, the regional model will face more and more in-equality over the time. In practice, you probably will see the magnet teachers either leave (because there's no more really advanced class to teach anymore) or move to regions with more resources (money-wise, student resource-wise, etc.).

Exactly, the regional model creates further inequalities, so if the regional model is being proposed in the name of equity, then it makes no sense. The regions with established nationally-known programs will benefit from those programs while the regions with the new watered-down programs will be blocked off from those excellent programs. All this regional model does is ghettoize the inequalities further within some regions. For example, someone on here crunched the numbers on existing learning gaps and other socioeconomic indicators and some regions are really getting the short end of the stick here. That's the whole point of these county wide magnets, to make the same opportunities available to students from across the county, not ghettoize resources and the best opportunities within the W regions.

The regional model is silly as few will want to travel cross county. Rich schools still will have all the classes and the other schools still will not. It really is all show and no substance.

It may well come down to what you have written. Higher SES students in west county will stay home, and the home catchment students are prioritized for a seat in those west county schools. East county students in the same regions won't have an opportunity to attend a west county school in their home regions.

No, yesterday they described it as only a portion of the program seats being dedicated to the home school students, and the rest being for the other schools in that region.

But they didn't give actual numbers yesterday, did they? Of course not. Because they have little idea what the programs will look like, and no idea yet what those program (physical building) requirements will be, which has an impact on the number of student seats that will be available. Then, factor in population growth, which increases home catchment student populations. East county will have a limited number of students being able to get into west county schools. Meanwhile, the east county schools are being made to weaken, likely significantly, the programs that have provided the east county schools academic achievement.

They did have numbers on slide 43: 200-240 regional seats plus 100 local seats each for two programs at GHS. I don't know if those are representative of all programs or just how those particular programs might be proportioned.

Holy inequity, Batman! The Joker is making access to magnets harder from some zip codes than from others!

But what do you expect from the system that has persisted in keeping the four local-school Centers for Enriched Study with much higher seat-to-student-population ratios, the Potomac-students-before-others-get-spots Mandarin Immersion program and the local set-aside for the criteria-based MS programs that sees kids from, e.g., Takoma Park several times as likely to be afforded the magnet education opportunity as kids from other areas in the overall program catchment.

Of course, they'll say something like, "each school will have its own magnet, so it all evens out," missing the point, perhaps deliberately, as not all magnets serve the same types of students. A math-focused student from School A should have the same chance of getting into a math-focused magnet as a similar student from School B. That should be the case whether School A hosts the math magnet, School B hosts the math magnet or School C hosts the math magnet. Ditto for arts-focused students vis-a-vis an arts-focused magnet or healthcare-interested students vis-a-vis s healthcare-focused magnet.

There may be some equity-based justification for having a local set-aside, perhaps to account for differences in opportunities among the school catchments (e.g., Algebra in 6th being offered routinely at one school's feeders but not at another's, in the math case) that would lead to students of similar underlying ability presenting different profiles at the time of magnet consideration. However, making that set-aside any greater than the proportional size of the student body for the school versus the region is setting up, yet again, a prejudiced system.

Did you even watch the presentation and discussion?

Why? Did they say something like, "Oh, our mistake. That local set-aside in the Gaithersburg example should be more or less population-proportional. Please ignore that disproportionate number on the slide."?

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Anonymous wrote:Some of ya'll really need to settle down. Great teachers exist outside of the magnet programs. One of my kids not at a magnet Algebra teacher had a masters in math from John Hopkins. My other kid's MS math teacher (different school) was certified to teach math at the MS and HS level and was finishing up an Education Leadership doctorate.

Some teach a schools that are closer to where they live, others want to influence a certain demographic, and others are just happy at their school.

Will there likely need to be some hiring and training, sure, but if they finalize things in short order, like by February, they will have at least a whole year to get that done. Heck they could make it part of the recruiting strategy now.

No one said we don't have some great teachers, but some people want advanced math in *every* HS. Finding good teachers to teach really advanced math for every HS is going to be very difficult to find, not to mention the fact that in some schools there won't be enough demand for such classes to fill the classroom. Not good use of taxpayer $.

They only need one teacher for anything past bc. We have several teachers who could teach it. You just need Mv and linear algebra at every school. So, that’s two extra classes beyond what is provided now.

Not true... At Blair, math classes include Logic, Discrete Mathematics, Advanced Geometry, Origins of Math, Complex Analysis (This is the course after MV calc and Lin Alg), and an Advanced Statistics Class (not to be confused with AP Stats). Similar things hold for science classes. As you can clearly see, it will be impossible to implement all these classes to the level they are taught at at Blair across the regional programs.

You are missing the point that we don't need a school offering all these COLLEGE LEVEL classes when we haven't even solved for offering the basic advance class offerings to all academically advanced students. Some schools aren't even offering AP Stats, BC Calc, or MVC.

So are you hoping the deterioration of the current Blair magnet can lead to creation of those advanced math classes (just AP Stats, BC Calc and MVC) in every other HS? You do realize that teachers who are capable of teaching these class require either math-major background or excessive training. And schools who can open these courses require enough student enrollment. Taylor has been very explicit that he plans to spend zero dollar on extra training or recruiting new teachers. The savings that you can get from letting Blair magnet teachers go wouldn't afford the 6 regional programs nor advanced math classes in every HS.

Both are needed but the magnets serve a very small number of kids so is it worth MCPS funding when they can go to their home schools and get advance classes and then more kids can benefit from it?

The regional model wouldn't shut down Blair/Poolsville SMACS nor RMIB. So assuming teachers there still want to stay, you don't save any $$ from not letting the very small number of high-achiever kids attending Blair SMACS anymore. Instead, the ones with homeschool from Ws can probably still at least take up to MVC back in their home schools or in a regional STEM program, but the other ones will find no advanced math courses back in their regions, because either lacking qualified teachers, or enough high-achieving students to enroll with him/her. In the same time, the regional model will face more and more in-equality over the time. In practice, you probably will see the magnet teachers either leave (because there's no more really advanced class to teach anymore) or move to regions with more resources (money-wise, student resource-wise, etc.).

Exactly, the regional model creates further inequalities, so if the regional model is being proposed in the name of equity, then it makes no sense. The regions with established nationally-known programs will benefit from those programs while the regions with the new watered-down programs will be blocked off from those excellent programs. All this regional model does is ghettoize the inequalities further within some regions. For example, someone on here crunched the numbers on existing learning gaps and other socioeconomic indicators and some regions are really getting the short end of the stick here. That's the whole point of these county wide magnets, to make the same opportunities available to students from across the county, not ghettoize resources and the best opportunities within the W regions.

The regional model is silly as few will want to travel cross county. Rich schools still will have all the classes and the other schools still will not. It really is all show and no substance.

It may well come down to what you have written. Higher SES students in west county will stay home, and the home catchment students are prioritized for a seat in those west county schools. East county students in the same regions won't have an opportunity to attend a west county school in their home regions.

No, yesterday they described it as only a portion of the program seats being dedicated to the home school students, and the rest being for the other schools in that region.

But they didn't give actual numbers yesterday, did they? Of course not. Because they have little idea what the programs will look like, and no idea yet what those program (physical building) requirements will be, which has an impact on the number of student seats that will be available. Then, factor in population growth, which increases home catchment student populations. East county will have a limited number of students being able to get into west county schools. Meanwhile, the east county schools are being made to weaken, likely significantly, the programs that have provided the east county schools academic achievement.

They did have numbers on slide 43: 200-240 regional seats plus 100 local seats each for two programs at GHS. I don't know if those are representative of all programs or just how those particular programs might be proportioned.

Holy inequity, Batman! The Joker is making access to magnets harder from some zip codes than from others!

But what do you expect from the system that has persisted in keeping the four local-school Centers for Enriched Study with much higher seat-to-student-population ratios, the Potomac-students-before-others-get-spots Mandarin Immersion program and the local set-aside for the criteria-based MS programs that sees kids from, e.g., Takoma Park several times as likely to be afforded the magnet education opportunity as kids from other areas in the overall program catchment.

Of course, they'll say something like, "each school will have its own magnet, so it all evens out," missing the point, perhaps deliberately, as not all magnets serve the same types of students. A math-focused student from School A should have the same chance of getting into a math-focused magnet as a similar student from School B. That should be the case whether School A hosts the math magnet, School B hosts the math magnet or School C hosts the math magnet. Ditto for arts-focused students vis-a-vis an arts-focused magnet or healthcare-interested students vis-a-vis s healthcare-focused magnet.

There may be some equity-based justification for having a local set-aside, perhaps to account for differences in opportunities among the school catchments (e.g., Algebra in 6th being offered routinely at one school's feeders but not at another's, in the math case) that would lead to students of similar underlying ability presenting different profiles at the time of magnet consideration. However, making that set-aside any greater than the proportional size of the student body for the school versus the region is setting up, yet again, a prejudiced system.

Did you even watch the presentation and discussion?

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Anonymous wrote:Some of ya'll really need to settle down. Great teachers exist outside of the magnet programs. One of my kids not at a magnet Algebra teacher had a masters in math from John Hopkins. My other kid's MS math teacher (different school) was certified to teach math at the MS and HS level and was finishing up an Education Leadership doctorate.

Some teach a schools that are closer to where they live, others want to influence a certain demographic, and others are just happy at their school.

Will there likely need to be some hiring and training, sure, but if they finalize things in short order, like by February, they will have at least a whole year to get that done. Heck they could make it part of the recruiting strategy now.

No one said we don't have some great teachers, but some people want advanced math in *every* HS. Finding good teachers to teach really advanced math for every HS is going to be very difficult to find, not to mention the fact that in some schools there won't be enough demand for such classes to fill the classroom. Not good use of taxpayer $.

They only need one teacher for anything past bc. We have several teachers who could teach it. You just need Mv and linear algebra at every school. So, that’s two extra classes beyond what is provided now.

Not true... At Blair, math classes include Logic, Discrete Mathematics, Advanced Geometry, Origins of Math, Complex Analysis (This is the course after MV calc and Lin Alg), and an Advanced Statistics Class (not to be confused with AP Stats). Similar things hold for science classes. As you can clearly see, it will be impossible to implement all these classes to the level they are taught at at Blair across the regional programs.

You are missing the point that we don't need a school offering all these COLLEGE LEVEL classes when we haven't even solved for offering the basic advance class offerings to all academically advanced students. Some schools aren't even offering AP Stats, BC Calc, or MVC.

So are you hoping the deterioration of the current Blair magnet can lead to creation of those advanced math classes (just AP Stats, BC Calc and MVC) in every other HS? You do realize that teachers who are capable of teaching these class require either math-major background or excessive training. And schools who can open these courses require enough student enrollment. Taylor has been very explicit that he plans to spend zero dollar on extra training or recruiting new teachers. The savings that you can get from letting Blair magnet teachers go wouldn't afford the 6 regional programs nor advanced math classes in every HS.

Both are needed but the magnets serve a very small number of kids so is it worth MCPS funding when they can go to their home schools and get advance classes and then more kids can benefit from it?

The regional model wouldn't shut down Blair/Poolsville SMACS nor RMIB. So assuming teachers there still want to stay, you don't save any $$ from not letting the very small number of high-achiever kids attending Blair SMACS anymore. Instead, the ones with homeschool from Ws can probably still at least take up to MVC back in their home schools or in a regional STEM program, but the other ones will find no advanced math courses back in their regions, because either lacking qualified teachers, or enough high-achieving students to enroll with him/her. In the same time, the regional model will face more and more in-equality over the time. In practice, you probably will see the magnet teachers either leave (because there's no more really advanced class to teach anymore) or move to regions with more resources (money-wise, student resource-wise, etc.).

Exactly, the regional model creates further inequalities, so if the regional model is being proposed in the name of equity, then it makes no sense. The regions with established nationally-known programs will benefit from those programs while the regions with the new watered-down programs will be blocked off from those excellent programs. All this regional model does is ghettoize the inequalities further within some regions. For example, someone on here crunched the numbers on existing learning gaps and other socioeconomic indicators and some regions are really getting the short end of the stick here. That's the whole point of these county wide magnets, to make the same opportunities available to students from across the county, not ghettoize resources and the best opportunities within the W regions.

The regional model is silly as few will want to travel cross county. Rich schools still will have all the classes and the other schools still will not. It really is all show and no substance.

It may well come down to what you have written. Higher SES students in west county will stay home, and the home catchment students are prioritized for a seat in those west county schools. East county students in the same regions won't have an opportunity to attend a west county school in their home regions.

No, yesterday they described it as only a portion of the program seats being dedicated to the home school students, and the rest being for the other schools in that region.

But they didn't give actual numbers yesterday, did they? Of course not. Because they have little idea what the programs will look like, and no idea yet what those program (physical building) requirements will be, which has an impact on the number of student seats that will be available. Then, factor in population growth, which increases home catchment student populations. East county will have a limited number of students being able to get into west county schools. Meanwhile, the east county schools are being made to weaken, likely significantly, the programs that have provided the east county schools academic achievement.

They did have numbers on slide 43: 200-240 regional seats plus 100 local seats each for two programs at GHS. I don't know if those are representative of all programs or just how those particular programs might be proportioned.

Holy inequity, Batman! The Joker is making access to magnets harder from some zip codes than from others!

But what do you expect from the system that has persisted in keeping the four local-school Centers for Enriched Study with much higher seat-to-student-population ratios, the Potomac-students-before-others-get-spots Mandarin Immersion program and the local set-aside for the criteria-based MS programs that sees kids from, e.g., Takoma Park several times as likely to be afforded the magnet education opportunity as kids from other areas in the overall program catchment.

Of course, they'll say something like, "each school will have its own magnet, so it all evens out," missing the point, perhaps deliberately, as not all magnets serve the same types of students. A math-focused student from School A should have the same chance of getting into a math-focused magnet as a similar student from School B. That should be the case whether School A hosts the math magnet, School B hosts the math magnet or School C hosts the math magnet. Ditto for arts-focused students vis-a-vis an arts-focused magnet or healthcare-interested students vis-a-vis s healthcare-focused magnet.

There may be some equity-based justification for having a local set-aside, perhaps to account for differences in opportunities among the school catchments (e.g., Algebra in 6th being offered routinely at one school's feeders but not at another's, in the math case) that would lead to students of similar underlying ability presenting different profiles at the time of magnet consideration. However, making that set-aside any greater than the proportional size of the student body for the school versus the region is setting up, yet again, a prejudiced system.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of ya'll really need to settle down. Great teachers exist outside of the magnet programs. One of my kids not at a magnet Algebra teacher had a masters in math from John Hopkins. My other kid's MS math teacher (different school) was certified to teach math at the MS and HS level and was finishing up an Education Leadership doctorate.

Some teach a schools that are closer to where they live, others want to influence a certain demographic, and others are just happy at their school.

Will there likely need to be some hiring and training, sure, but if they finalize things in short order, like by February, they will have at least a whole year to get that done. Heck they could make it part of the recruiting strategy now.

No one said we don't have some great teachers, but some people want advanced math in *every* HS. Finding good teachers to teach really advanced math for every HS is going to be very difficult to find, not to mention the fact that in some schools there won't be enough demand for such classes to fill the classroom. Not good use of taxpayer $.

They only need one teacher for anything past bc. We have several teachers who could teach it. You just need Mv and linear algebra at every school. So, that’s two extra classes beyond what is provided now.

Not true... At Blair, math classes include Logic, Discrete Mathematics, Advanced Geometry, Origins of Math, Complex Analysis (This is the course after MV calc and Lin Alg), and an Advanced Statistics Class (not to be confused with AP Stats). Similar things hold for science classes. As you can clearly see, it will be impossible to implement all these classes to the level they are taught at at Blair across the regional programs.

You are missing the point that we don't need a school offering all these COLLEGE LEVEL classes when we haven't even solved for offering the basic advance class offerings to all academically advanced students. Some schools aren't even offering AP Stats, BC Calc, or MVC.

So are you hoping the deterioration of the current Blair magnet can lead to creation of those advanced math classes (just AP Stats, BC Calc and MVC) in every other HS? You do realize that teachers who are capable of teaching these class require either math-major background or excessive training. And schools who can open these courses require enough student enrollment. Taylor has been very explicit that he plans to spend zero dollar on extra training or recruiting new teachers. The savings that you can get from letting Blair magnet teachers go wouldn't afford the 6 regional programs nor advanced math classes in every HS.

Both are needed but the magnets serve a very small number of kids so is it worth MCPS funding when they can go to their home schools and get advance classes and then more kids can benefit from it?

The regional model wouldn't shut down Blair/Poolsville SMACS nor RMIB. So assuming teachers there still want to stay, you don't save any $$ from not letting the very small number of high-achiever kids attending Blair SMACS anymore. Instead, the ones with homeschool from Ws can probably still at least take up to MVC back in their home schools or in a regional STEM program, but the other ones will find no advanced math courses back in their regions, because either lacking qualified teachers, or enough high-achieving students to enroll with him/her. In the same time, the regional model will face more and more in-equality over the time. In practice, you probably will see the magnet teachers either leave (because there's no more really advanced class to teach anymore) or move to regions with more resources (money-wise, student resource-wise, etc.).

Exactly, the regional model creates further inequalities, so if the regional model is being proposed in the name of equity, then it makes no sense. The regions with established nationally-known programs will benefit from those programs while the regions with the new watered-down programs will be blocked off from those excellent programs. All this regional model does is ghettoize the inequalities further within some regions. For example, someone on here crunched the numbers on existing learning gaps and other socioeconomic indicators and some regions are really getting the short end of the stick here. That's the whole point of these county wide magnets, to make the same opportunities available to students from across the county, not ghettoize resources and the best opportunities within the W regions.

The regional model is silly as few will want to travel cross county. Rich schools still will have all the classes and the other schools still will not. It really is all show and no substance.

It may well come down to what you have written. Higher SES students in west county will stay home, and the home catchment students are prioritized for a seat in those west county schools. East county students in the same regions won't have an opportunity to attend a west county school in their home regions.

No, yesterday they described it as only a portion of the program seats being dedicated to the home school students, and the rest being for the other schools in that region.

But they didn't give actual numbers yesterday, did they? Of course not. Because they have little idea what the programs will look like, and no idea yet what those program (physical building) requirements will be, which has an impact on the number of student seats that will be available. Then, factor in population growth, which increases home catchment student populations. East county will have a limited number of students being able to get into west county schools. Meanwhile, the east county schools are being made to weaken, likely significantly, the programs that have provided the east county schools academic achievement.

They did have numbers on slide 43: 200-240 regional seats plus 100 local seats each for two programs at GHS. I don't know if those are representative of all programs or just how those particular programs might be proportioned.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of ya'll really need to settle down. Great teachers exist outside of the magnet programs. One of my kids not at a magnet Algebra teacher had a masters in math from John Hopkins. My other kid's MS math teacher (different school) was certified to teach math at the MS and HS level and was finishing up an Education Leadership doctorate.

Some teach a schools that are closer to where they live, others want to influence a certain demographic, and others are just happy at their school.

Will there likely need to be some hiring and training, sure, but if they finalize things in short order, like by February, they will have at least a whole year to get that done. Heck they could make it part of the recruiting strategy now.

No one said we don't have some great teachers, but some people want advanced math in *every* HS. Finding good teachers to teach really advanced math for every HS is going to be very difficult to find, not to mention the fact that in some schools there won't be enough demand for such classes to fill the classroom. Not good use of taxpayer $.

They only need one teacher for anything past bc. We have several teachers who could teach it. You just need Mv and linear algebra at every school. So, that’s two extra classes beyond what is provided now.

Not true... At Blair, math classes include Logic, Discrete Mathematics, Advanced Geometry, Origins of Math, Complex Analysis (This is the course after MV calc and Lin Alg), and an Advanced Statistics Class (not to be confused with AP Stats). Similar things hold for science classes. As you can clearly see, it will be impossible to implement all these classes to the level they are taught at at Blair across the regional programs.

You are missing the point that we don't need a school offering all these COLLEGE LEVEL classes when we haven't even solved for offering the basic advance class offerings to all academically advanced students. Some schools aren't even offering AP Stats, BC Calc, or MVC.

So are you hoping the deterioration of the current Blair magnet can lead to creation of those advanced math classes (just AP Stats, BC Calc and MVC) in every other HS? You do realize that teachers who are capable of teaching these class require either math-major background or excessive training. And schools who can open these courses require enough student enrollment. Taylor has been very explicit that he plans to spend zero dollar on extra training or recruiting new teachers. The savings that you can get from letting Blair magnet teachers go wouldn't afford the 6 regional programs nor advanced math classes in every HS.

Both are needed but the magnets serve a very small number of kids so is it worth MCPS funding when they can go to their home schools and get advance classes and then more kids can benefit from it?

The regional model wouldn't shut down Blair/Poolsville SMACS nor RMIB. So assuming teachers there still want to stay, you don't save any $$ from not letting the very small number of high-achiever kids attending Blair SMACS anymore. Instead, the ones with homeschool from Ws can probably still at least take up to MVC back in their home schools or in a regional STEM program, but the other ones will find no advanced math courses back in their regions, because either lacking qualified teachers, or enough high-achieving students to enroll with him/her. In the same time, the regional model will face more and more in-equality over the time. In practice, you probably will see the magnet teachers either leave (because there's no more really advanced class to teach anymore) or move to regions with more resources (money-wise, student resource-wise, etc.).

Exactly, the regional model creates further inequalities, so if the regional model is being proposed in the name of equity, then it makes no sense. The regions with established nationally-known programs will benefit from those programs while the regions with the new watered-down programs will be blocked off from those excellent programs. All this regional model does is ghettoize the inequalities further within some regions. For example, someone on here crunched the numbers on existing learning gaps and other socioeconomic indicators and some regions are really getting the short end of the stick here. That's the whole point of these county wide magnets, to make the same opportunities available to students from across the county, not ghettoize resources and the best opportunities within the W regions.

The regional model is silly as few will want to travel cross county. Rich schools still will have all the classes and the other schools still will not. It really is all show and no substance.

It may well come down to what you have written. Higher SES students in west county will stay home, and the home catchment students are prioritized for a seat in those west county schools. East county students in the same regions won't have an opportunity to attend a west county school in their home regions.

No, yesterday they described it as only a portion of the program seats being dedicated to the home school students, and the rest being for the other schools in that region.

But they didn't give actual numbers yesterday, did they? Of course not. Because they have little idea what the programs will look like, and no idea yet what those program (physical building) requirements will be, which has an impact on the number of student seats that will be available. Then, factor in population growth, which increases home catchment student populations. East county will have a limited number of students being able to get into west county schools. Meanwhile, the east county schools are being made to weaken, likely significantly, the programs that have provided the east county schools academic achievement.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of ya'll really need to settle down. Great teachers exist outside of the magnet programs. One of my kids not at a magnet Algebra teacher had a masters in math from John Hopkins. My other kid's MS math teacher (different school) was certified to teach math at the MS and HS level and was finishing up an Education Leadership doctorate.

Some teach a schools that are closer to where they live, others want to influence a certain demographic, and others are just happy at their school.

Will there likely need to be some hiring and training, sure, but if they finalize things in short order, like by February, they will have at least a whole year to get that done. Heck they could make it part of the recruiting strategy now.

No one said we don't have some great teachers, but some people want advanced math in *every* HS. Finding good teachers to teach really advanced math for every HS is going to be very difficult to find, not to mention the fact that in some schools there won't be enough demand for such classes to fill the classroom. Not good use of taxpayer $.

They only need one teacher for anything past bc. We have several teachers who could teach it. You just need Mv and linear algebra at every school. So, that’s two extra classes beyond what is provided now.

Not true... At Blair, math classes include Logic, Discrete Mathematics, Advanced Geometry, Origins of Math, Complex Analysis (This is the course after MV calc and Lin Alg), and an Advanced Statistics Class (not to be confused with AP Stats). Similar things hold for science classes. As you can clearly see, it will be impossible to implement all these classes to the level they are taught at at Blair across the regional programs.

You are missing the point that we don't need a school offering all these COLLEGE LEVEL classes when we haven't even solved for offering the basic advance class offerings to all academically advanced students. Some schools aren't even offering AP Stats, BC Calc, or MVC.

So are you hoping the deterioration of the current Blair magnet can lead to creation of those advanced math classes (just AP Stats, BC Calc and MVC) in every other HS? You do realize that teachers who are capable of teaching these class require either math-major background or excessive training. And schools who can open these courses require enough student enrollment. Taylor has been very explicit that he plans to spend zero dollar on extra training or recruiting new teachers. The savings that you can get from letting Blair magnet teachers go wouldn't afford the 6 regional programs nor advanced math classes in every HS.

Both are needed but the magnets serve a very small number of kids so is it worth MCPS funding when they can go to their home schools and get advance classes and then more kids can benefit from it?

The regional model wouldn't shut down Blair/Poolsville SMACS nor RMIB. So assuming teachers there still want to stay, you don't save any $$ from not letting the very small number of high-achiever kids attending Blair SMACS anymore. Instead, the ones with homeschool from Ws can probably still at least take up to MVC back in their home schools or in a regional STEM program, but the other ones will find no advanced math courses back in their regions, because either lacking qualified teachers, or enough high-achieving students to enroll with him/her. In the same time, the regional model will face more and more in-equality over the time. In practice, you probably will see the magnet teachers either leave (because there's no more really advanced class to teach anymore) or move to regions with more resources (money-wise, student resource-wise, etc.).

Exactly, the regional model creates further inequalities, so if the regional model is being proposed in the name of equity, then it makes no sense. The regions with established nationally-known programs will benefit from those programs while the regions with the new watered-down programs will be blocked off from those excellent programs. All this regional model does is ghettoize the inequalities further within some regions. For example, someone on here crunched the numbers on existing learning gaps and other socioeconomic indicators and some regions are really getting the short end of the stick here. That's the whole point of these county wide magnets, to make the same opportunities available to students from across the county, not ghettoize resources and the best opportunities within the W regions.

The regional model is silly as few will want to travel cross county. Rich schools still will have all the classes and the other schools still will not. It really is all show and no substance.

It may well come down to what you have written. Higher SES students in west county will stay home, and the home catchment students are prioritized for a seat in those west county schools. East county students in the same regions won't have an opportunity to attend a west county school in their home regions.

No, yesterday they described it as only a portion of the program seats being dedicated to the home school students, and the rest being for the other schools in that region.

But they didn't give actual numbers yesterday, did they? Of course not. Because they have little idea what the programs will look like, and no idea yet what those program (physical building) requirements will be, which has an impact on the number of student seats that will be available. Then, factor in population growth, which increases home catchment student populations. East county will have a limited number of students being able to get into west county schools. Meanwhile, the east county schools are being made to weaken, likely significantly, the programs that have provided the east county schools academic achievement.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of ya'll really need to settle down. Great teachers exist outside of the magnet programs. One of my kids not at a magnet Algebra teacher had a masters in math from John Hopkins. My other kid's MS math teacher (different school) was certified to teach math at the MS and HS level and was finishing up an Education Leadership doctorate.

Some teach a schools that are closer to where they live, others want to influence a certain demographic, and others are just happy at their school.

Will there likely need to be some hiring and training, sure, but if they finalize things in short order, like by February, they will have at least a whole year to get that done. Heck they could make it part of the recruiting strategy now.

No one said we don't have some great teachers, but some people want advanced math in *every* HS. Finding good teachers to teach really advanced math for every HS is going to be very difficult to find, not to mention the fact that in some schools there won't be enough demand for such classes to fill the classroom. Not good use of taxpayer $.

They only need one teacher for anything past bc. We have several teachers who could teach it. You just need Mv and linear algebra at every school. So, that’s two extra classes beyond what is provided now.

Not true... At Blair, math classes include Logic, Discrete Mathematics, Advanced Geometry, Origins of Math, Complex Analysis (This is the course after MV calc and Lin Alg), and an Advanced Statistics Class (not to be confused with AP Stats). Similar things hold for science classes. As you can clearly see, it will be impossible to implement all these classes to the level they are taught at at Blair across the regional programs.

You are missing the point that we don't need a school offering all these COLLEGE LEVEL classes when we haven't even solved for offering the basic advance class offerings to all academically advanced students. Some schools aren't even offering AP Stats, BC Calc, or MVC.

So are you hoping the deterioration of the current Blair magnet can lead to creation of those advanced math classes (just AP Stats, BC Calc and MVC) in every other HS? You do realize that teachers who are capable of teaching these class require either math-major background or excessive training. And schools who can open these courses require enough student enrollment. Taylor has been very explicit that he plans to spend zero dollar on extra training or recruiting new teachers. The savings that you can get from letting Blair magnet teachers go wouldn't afford the 6 regional programs nor advanced math classes in every HS.

Both are needed but the magnets serve a very small number of kids so is it worth MCPS funding when they can go to their home schools and get advance classes and then more kids can benefit from it?

The regional model wouldn't shut down Blair/Poolsville SMACS nor RMIB. So assuming teachers there still want to stay, you don't save any $$ from not letting the very small number of high-achiever kids attending Blair SMACS anymore. Instead, the ones with homeschool from Ws can probably still at least take up to MVC back in their home schools or in a regional STEM program, but the other ones will find no advanced math courses back in their regions, because either lacking qualified teachers, or enough high-achieving students to enroll with him/her. In the same time, the regional model will face more and more in-equality over the time. In practice, you probably will see the magnet teachers either leave (because there's no more really advanced class to teach anymore) or move to regions with more resources (money-wise, student resource-wise, etc.).

Exactly, the regional model creates further inequalities, so if the regional model is being proposed in the name of equity, then it makes no sense. The regions with established nationally-known programs will benefit from those programs while the regions with the new watered-down programs will be blocked off from those excellent programs. All this regional model does is ghettoize the inequalities further within some regions. For example, someone on here crunched the numbers on existing learning gaps and other socioeconomic indicators and some regions are really getting the short end of the stick here. That's the whole point of these county wide magnets, to make the same opportunities available to students from across the county, not ghettoize resources and the best opportunities within the W regions.

The regional model is silly as few will want to travel cross county. Rich schools still will have all the classes and the other schools still will not. It really is all show and no substance.

It may well come down to what you have written. Higher SES students in west county will stay home, and the home catchment students are prioritized for a seat in those west county schools. East county students in the same regions won't have an opportunity to attend a west county school in their home regions.

No, yesterday they described it as only a portion of the program seats being dedicated to the home school students, and the rest being for the other schools in that region.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of ya'll really need to settle down. Great teachers exist outside of the magnet programs. One of my kids not at a magnet Algebra teacher had a masters in math from John Hopkins. My other kid's MS math teacher (different school) was certified to teach math at the MS and HS level and was finishing up an Education Leadership doctorate.

Some teach a schools that are closer to where they live, others want to influence a certain demographic, and others are just happy at their school.

Will there likely need to be some hiring and training, sure, but if they finalize things in short order, like by February, they will have at least a whole year to get that done. Heck they could make it part of the recruiting strategy now.

No one said we don't have some great teachers, but some people want advanced math in *every* HS. Finding good teachers to teach really advanced math for every HS is going to be very difficult to find, not to mention the fact that in some schools there won't be enough demand for such classes to fill the classroom. Not good use of taxpayer $.

They only need one teacher for anything past bc. We have several teachers who could teach it. You just need Mv and linear algebra at every school. So, that’s two extra classes beyond what is provided now.

Not true... At Blair, math classes include Logic, Discrete Mathematics, Advanced Geometry, Origins of Math, Complex Analysis (This is the course after MV calc and Lin Alg), and an Advanced Statistics Class (not to be confused with AP Stats). Similar things hold for science classes. As you can clearly see, it will be impossible to implement all these classes to the level they are taught at at Blair across the regional programs.

You are missing the point that we don't need a school offering all these COLLEGE LEVEL classes when we haven't even solved for offering the basic advance class offerings to all academically advanced students. Some schools aren't even offering AP Stats, BC Calc, or MVC.

So are you hoping the deterioration of the current Blair magnet can lead to creation of those advanced math classes (just AP Stats, BC Calc and MVC) in every other HS? You do realize that teachers who are capable of teaching these class require either math-major background or excessive training. And schools who can open these courses require enough student enrollment. Taylor has been very explicit that he plans to spend zero dollar on extra training or recruiting new teachers. The savings that you can get from letting Blair magnet teachers go wouldn't afford the 6 regional programs nor advanced math classes in every HS.

Both are needed but the magnets serve a very small number of kids so is it worth MCPS funding when they can go to their home schools and get advance classes and then more kids can benefit from it?

The regional model wouldn't shut down Blair/Poolsville SMACS nor RMIB. So assuming teachers there still want to stay, you don't save any $$ from not letting the very small number of high-achiever kids attending Blair SMACS anymore. Instead, the ones with homeschool from Ws can probably still at least take up to MVC back in their home schools or in a regional STEM program, but the other ones will find no advanced math courses back in their regions, because either lacking qualified teachers, or enough high-achieving students to enroll with him/her. In the same time, the regional model will face more and more in-equality over the time. In practice, you probably will see the magnet teachers either leave (because there's no more really advanced class to teach anymore) or move to regions with more resources (money-wise, student resource-wise, etc.).

Exactly, the regional model creates further inequalities, so if the regional model is being proposed in the name of equity, then it makes no sense. The regions with established nationally-known programs will benefit from those programs while the regions with the new watered-down programs will be blocked off from those excellent programs. All this regional model does is ghettoize the inequalities further within some regions. For example, someone on here crunched the numbers on existing learning gaps and other socioeconomic indicators and some regions are really getting the short end of the stick here. That's the whole point of these county wide magnets, to make the same opportunities available to students from across the county, not ghettoize resources and the best opportunities within the W regions.

The regional model is silly as few will want to travel cross county. Rich schools still will have all the classes and the other schools still will not. It really is all show and no substance.

It may well come down to what you have written. Higher SES students in west county will stay home, and the home catchment students are prioritized for a seat in those west county schools. East county students in the same regions won't have an opportunity to attend a west county school in their home regions.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of ya'll really need to settle down. Great teachers exist outside of the magnet programs. One of my kids not at a magnet Algebra teacher had a masters in math from John Hopkins. My other kid's MS math teacher (different school) was certified to teach math at the MS and HS level and was finishing up an Education Leadership doctorate.

Some teach a schools that are closer to where they live, others want to influence a certain demographic, and others are just happy at their school.

Will there likely need to be some hiring and training, sure, but if they finalize things in short order, like by February, they will have at least a whole year to get that done. Heck they could make it part of the recruiting strategy now.

No one said we don't have some great teachers, but some people want advanced math in *every* HS. Finding good teachers to teach really advanced math for every HS is going to be very difficult to find, not to mention the fact that in some schools there won't be enough demand for such classes to fill the classroom. Not good use of taxpayer $.

They only need one teacher for anything past bc. We have several teachers who could teach it. You just need Mv and linear algebra at every school. So, that’s two extra classes beyond what is provided now.

Not true... At Blair, math classes include Logic, Discrete Mathematics, Advanced Geometry, Origins of Math, Complex Analysis (This is the course after MV calc and Lin Alg), and an Advanced Statistics Class (not to be confused with AP Stats). Similar things hold for science classes. As you can clearly see, it will be impossible to implement all these classes to the level they are taught at at Blair across the regional programs.

You are missing the point that we don't need a school offering all these COLLEGE LEVEL classes when we haven't even solved for offering the basic advance class offerings to all academically advanced students. Some schools aren't even offering AP Stats, BC Calc, or MVC.

So are you hoping the deterioration of the current Blair magnet can lead to creation of those advanced math classes (just AP Stats, BC Calc and MVC) in every other HS? You do realize that teachers who are capable of teaching these class require either math-major background or excessive training. And schools who can open these courses require enough student enrollment. Taylor has been very explicit that he plans to spend zero dollar on extra training or recruiting new teachers. The savings that you can get from letting Blair magnet teachers go wouldn't afford the 6 regional programs nor advanced math classes in every HS.

Both are needed but the magnets serve a very small number of kids so is it worth MCPS funding when they can go to their home schools and get advance classes and then more kids can benefit from it?

The regional model wouldn't shut down Blair/Poolsville SMACS nor RMIB. So assuming teachers there still want to stay, you don't save any $$ from not letting the very small number of high-achiever kids attending Blair SMACS anymore. Instead, the ones with homeschool from Ws can probably still at least take up to MVC back in their home schools or in a regional STEM program, but the other ones will find no advanced math courses back in their regions, because either lacking qualified teachers, or enough high-achieving students to enroll with him/her. In the same time, the regional model will face more and more in-equality over the time. In practice, you probably will see the magnet teachers either leave (because there's no more really advanced class to teach anymore) or move to regions with more resources (money-wise, student resource-wise, etc.).

Exactly, the regional model creates further inequalities, so if the regional model is being proposed in the name of equity, then it makes no sense. The regions with established nationally-known programs will benefit from those programs while the regions with the new watered-down programs will be blocked off from those excellent programs. All this regional model does is ghettoize the inequalities further within some regions. For example, someone on here crunched the numbers on existing learning gaps and other socioeconomic indicators and some regions are really getting the short end of the stick here. That's the whole point of these county wide magnets, to make the same opportunities available to students from across the county, not ghettoize resources and the best opportunities within the W regions.

The regional model is silly as few will want to travel cross county. Rich schools still will have all the classes and the other schools still will not. It really is all show and no substance.

It may well come down to what you have written. Higher SES students in west county will stay home, and the home catchment students are prioritized for a seat in those west county schools. East county students in the same regions won't have an opportunity to attend a west county school in their home regions.