Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:They may not have realized how close they were to hearstroke/death while they were trying to save the dog as well. Maybe if they did they would have acted differently but maybe not. Dogs have become like humans to many of us.

+1

I would never leave my dog behind to die alone.

The point is that the dog could have been left behind in a shady spot to rest, while the rest of the family got the baby to safety and got help. Obviously they would rush help to the dog.

Anonymous wrote:Would a sat phone have helped them to get connected to search and rescue?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They may not have realized how close they were to hearstroke/death while they were trying to save the dog as well. Maybe if they did they would have acted differently but maybe not. Dogs have become like humans to many of us.

+1

I would never leave my dog behind to die alone.

Darwinism for dog owners.

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Anonymous wrote:After reading through all the information, it doesn't sound like they intended to do a day long hike. And if the dog didn't have protection for it's feet, Jonathan probably found himself trying to carry the dog AND the baby. With the scorching temperatures, he reached a point where he simply couldn't go any further. He was probably also developing heat stroke. And that's why he was found in the sitting position with the dog and baby next to him.
Then his wife was also succumbing to heat stroke. I gather they were trying to stick together as a group, but when Jonathan couldn't go any further she ventured ahead to seek help. Maybe due to her health issues she couldn't take the baby with her. By then it was too late. Soon after she also collapsed.
Very heartbreaking and tragic.

I think this is right, and I’ve been posting on this thread since the 3rd page.

At the end, sticking together is what killed them. At a certain point, you need to ditch the “fur baby” if you’re struggling to physically save yourself or a child. I know it’s terrible, but the best course of action was to leave the dog behind tied up in a shady location. That older dog with the heavy fur likely began having trouble first, either thru burned paws or heat exhaustion. I’m willing to bet money on it. They then killed themselves struggling to help the dog.

Had they managed to get back to safety and cell phone reception, they could’ve called the park service and gotten the fire gate unlocked. The rancher could then drive the fire road to rescue the dog.

I think the big story here is that people need to be a lot more careful when taking their pets on outdoor adventures. If something bad happens, you need to face the fact that you may be put in a situation where you will need to sacrifice your animal. This recently happened to a friend of mine who was involved in a sinking sailboat incident off the coast of California - his dog was left on the boat and lost at sea.

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Anonymous wrote:People who do drugs recreationally do not give drugs to babies. Simmer down, Nancy Reagan.

If the mother was EBF the drugs would have passed through her breastmilk.

And before you say impossible -

Both parents admitted to using cocaine, and Krystin breastfed the baby thinking the drug would have passed through her system after 12 hours
https://www.kold.com/story/33304269/ex-tucson-reporters-sentenced-in-child-endangerment-case/

Clearly you have no experience with drugs or people who use them if you think these people took a bunch of cocaine with them to do an 8 hour hike. That is not how people use cocaine. This theory is nonsense.

A - No one said they took cocaine. Its just an example.

B - If they took any recreational drugs the night before the hike, the narcotics would
have still be present in her breastmilk throughout the damned hike which started around 8AM according to reports.

How would that have affected the hike so much that it killed everybody, including the dog?

Mind-altering drugs and a heatstroke. Case solved.

I don’t know why you’re so bent on the drugs. Heatstroke itself is mindbending.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who do drugs recreationally do not give drugs to babies. Simmer down, Nancy Reagan.

If the mother was EBF the drugs would have passed through her breastmilk.

And before you say impossible -

Both parents admitted to using cocaine, and Krystin breastfed the baby thinking the drug would have passed through her system after 12 hours
https://www.kold.com/story/33304269/ex-tucson-reporters-sentenced-in-child-endangerment-case/

Clearly you have no experience with drugs or people who use them if you think these people took a bunch of cocaine with them to do an 8 hour hike. That is not how people use cocaine. This theory is nonsense.

A - No one said they took cocaine. Its just an example.

B - If they took any recreational drugs the night before the hike, the narcotics would
have still be present in her breastmilk throughout the damned hike which started around 8AM according to reports.

How would that have affected the hike so much that it killed everybody, including the dog?

Mind-altering drugs and a heatstroke. Case solved.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who do drugs recreationally do not give drugs to babies. Simmer down, Nancy Reagan.

If the mother was EBF the drugs would have passed through her breastmilk.

And before you say impossible -

Both parents admitted to using cocaine, and Krystin breastfed the baby thinking the drug would have passed through her system after 12 hours
https://www.kold.com/story/33304269/ex-tucson-reporters-sentenced-in-child-endangerment-case/

Clearly you have no experience with drugs or people who use them if you think these people took a bunch of cocaine with them to do an 8 hour hike. That is not how people use cocaine. This theory is nonsense.

A - No one said they took cocaine. Its just an example.

B - If they took any recreational drugs the night before the hike, the narcotics would
have still be present in her breastmilk throughout the damned hike which started around 8AM according to reports.

How would that have affected the hike so much that it killed everybody, including the dog?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They may not have realized how close they were to hearstroke/death while they were trying to save the dog as well. Maybe if they did they would have acted differently but maybe not. Dogs have become like humans to many of us.

+1

I would never leave my dog behind to die alone.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They may not have realized how close they were to hearstroke/death while they were trying to save the dog as well. Maybe if they did they would have acted differently but maybe not. Dogs have become like humans to many of us.

+1

I would never leave my dog behind to die alone.

Anonymous wrote:They may not have realized how close they were to hearstroke/death while they were trying to save the dog as well. Maybe if they did they would have acted differently but maybe not. Dogs have become like humans to many of us.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who do drugs recreationally do not give drugs to babies. Simmer down, Nancy Reagan.

If the mother was EBF the drugs would have passed through her breastmilk.

And before you say impossible -

Both parents admitted to using cocaine, and Krystin breastfed the baby thinking the drug would have passed through her system after 12 hours
https://www.kold.com/story/33304269/ex-tucson-reporters-sentenced-in-child-endangerment-case/

Clearly you have no experience with drugs or people who use them if you think these people took a bunch of cocaine with them to do an 8 hour hike. That is not how people use cocaine. This theory is nonsense.

A - No one said they took cocaine. Its just an example.

B - If they took any recreational drugs the night before the hike, the narcotics would
have still be present in her breastmilk throughout the damned hike which started around 8AM according to reports.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who do drugs recreationally do not give drugs to babies. Simmer down, Nancy Reagan.

If the mother was EBF the drugs would have passed through her breastmilk.

And before you say impossible -

Both parents admitted to using cocaine, and Krystin breastfed the baby thinking the drug would have passed through her system after 12 hours
https://www.kold.com/story/33304269/ex-tucson-reporters-sentenced-in-child-endangerment-case/

Clearly you have no experience with drugs or people who use them if you think these people took a bunch of cocaine with them to do an 8 hour hike. That is not how people use cocaine. This theory is nonsense.