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Anonymous wrote:Italy now has the second highest case count, having surpassed South Korea today.

Italy: 7,375 cases 366 deaths

South Korea: 7,313 case 50 deaths

What is up with the mortality rate disparity?! It will be very interesting to see how the data rolls out - age, general health, smoking, etc.

It's likely more functional and better trained medical care. South Korea has an ace health care system. COVID-19 is going to come as a nasty surprise to people who think that "western" is inherently superior. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_South_Korea

South Korea DOES practice Western medicine - they are easily on par with the US.

they are heads and shoulders BETTER than the US. I didn't mean "western" as in medical vs. eastern medicine. I meant it as in, white European. Americans will be shocked to find out how sh*tty our healthcare system is compared to Korea and maybe even China.

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Biogen conference in Boston is responsible for almost all MA cases now. I'd be looking at why there and not the colleges. My guess is going to be handshakes, etc.

Any clusters I think are just a by product of an initial person somehow being tested, perhaps because he had severe pneumonia.

Here's an example. Say three travelers pick up the infection from Milan all return to the US and all come down with COVID-19.

One traveler is a student and goes to campus and spreads illness there. The student is sick for a few days but even if she called the health care center they wouldn't have tested her 2 weeks ago -- no contact with China. She goes on to infect many students at her college, plus a child care center where she volunteers. Those cases are just sprouting up now but again most are young so no surprising pneumonia. Only in another two weeks will some infections sprout up in those kids' grandparents or in contacts of other college students she infected.

One traveler is a 35 year old yoga teacher returning from a vacation. She is sick with a fever and cough but thinks nothing of it. She passes the infection on to her yoga students and people at the health food store where she shops. One of the workers at the health food store passes it on to his grandma in a nursing home who is now ill with pneumonia but she's 85, no one thinks anything of it. No one knows anything about the COVID-19 in the community or in the nursing home at the moment.

One traveler is a businessman and goes to a conference and meets a lot of people. He's 58 and has diabetes. He infects the same number of people as the college student, but because he actually developed severe symptoms, he got tested. There is now a cluster related to the conference everyone is worried about and contact testing... but no one is thinking at all about the other two clusters yet because no one tests anyone unless they are linked to a known case.

Agreed. And this is why I think it's been around longer than the last couple weeks. Lots of people with mild symptoms. We had a virus with symptoms very similar to Corona go through our area a month ago. I've treated a crazy number of pneumonia patients at the hospital the last couple of months. I'm not saying we shouldn't be concerned or shouldn't take precautions, but the panic on this forum doesn't match what I see IRL

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Biogen conference in Boston is responsible for almost all MA cases now. I'd be looking at why there and not the colleges. My guess is going to be handshakes, etc.

Any clusters I think are just a by product of an initial person somehow being tested, perhaps because he had severe pneumonia.

Here's an example. Say three travelers pick up the infection from Milan all return to the US and all come down with COVID-19.

One traveler is a student and goes to campus and spreads illness there. The student is sick for a few days but even if she called the health care center they wouldn't have tested her 2 weeks ago -- no contact with China. She goes on to infect many students at her college, plus a child care center where she volunteers. Those cases are just sprouting up now but again most are young so no surprising pneumonia. Only in another two weeks will some infections sprout up in those kids' grandparents or in contacts of other college students she infected.

One traveler is a 35 year old yoga teacher returning from a vacation. She is sick with a fever and cough but thinks nothing of it. She passes the infection on to her yoga students and people at the health food store where she shops. One of the workers at the health food store passes it on to his grandma in a nursing home who is now ill with pneumonia but she's 85, no one thinks anything of it. No one knows anything about the COVID-19 in the community or in the nursing home at the moment.

One traveler is a businessman and goes to a conference and meets a lot of people. He's 58 and has diabetes. He infects the same number of people as the college student, but because he actually developed severe symptoms, he got tested. There is now a cluster related to the conference everyone is worried about and contact testing... but no one is thinking at all about the other two clusters yet because no one tests anyone unless they are linked to a known case.

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Biogen conference in Boston is responsible for almost all MA cases now. I'd be looking at why there and not the colleges. My guess is going to be handshakes, etc.

Any clusters I think are just a by product of an initial person somehow being tested, perhaps because he had severe pneumonia.

Here's an example. Say three travelers pick up the infection from Milan all return to the US and all come down with COVID-19.

One traveler is a student and goes to campus and spreads illness there. The student is sick for a few days but even if she called the health care center they wouldn't have tested her 2 weeks ago -- no contact with China. She goes on to infect many students at her college, plus a child care center where she volunteers. Those cases are just sprouting up now but again most are young so no surprising pneumonia. Only in another two weeks will some infections sprout up in those kids' grandparents or in contacts of other college students she infected.

One traveler is a 35 year old yoga teacher returning from a vacation. She is sick with a fever and cough but thinks nothing of it. She passes the infection on to her yoga students and people at the health food store where she shops. One of the workers at the health food store passes it on to his grandma in a nursing home who is now ill with pneumonia but she's 85, no one thinks anything of it. No one knows anything about the COVID-19 in the community or in the nursing home at the moment.

One traveler is a businessman and goes to a conference and meets a lot of people. He's 58 and has diabetes. He infects the same number of people as the college student, but because he actually developed severe symptoms, he got tested. There is now a cluster related to the conference everyone is worried about and contact testing... but no one is thinking at all about the other two clusters yet because no one tests anyone unless they are linked to a known case.

Anonymous wrote:Here's a thought:

You are sick. You might have COVID. Make the personal decision not to spread it. Call if your symptoms worsen and arrange to be seen in a safe way.

If YOU choose to self-isolate because you are sick, you won't spread it to others. You will limit the spread.

Remember the slogan "only YOU can prevent forest fires?"

THAT!

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Anonymous wrote:Italy now has the second highest case count, having surpassed South Korea today.

Italy: 7,375 cases 366 deaths

South Korea: 7,313 case 50 deaths

What is up with the mortality rate disparity?! It will be very interesting to see how the data rolls out - age, general health, smoking, etc.

It's likely more functional and better trained medical care. South Korea has an ace health care system. COVID-19 is going to come as a nasty surprise to people who think that "western" is inherently superior. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_South_Korea

South Korea DOES practice Western medicine - they are easily on par with the US.

they are heads and shoulders BETTER than the US. I didn't mean "western" as in medical vs. eastern medicine. I meant it as in, white European. Americans will be shocked to find out how sh*tty our healthcare system is compared to Korea and maybe even China.

Dear LORD, the China is great poster.

On thing the crisis in Wuhan revealed is that the Chinese medical system is way over centralized. There are barely any clinics, which is why we saw all those huge lines at the Wuhan hospitals when cases went over a few 100 there. This of course served only to escalate spreading of the virus.

And then we saw China expend great energy in creating quarantine centers and scaling up treatment capacity. It would be foolish not to see that China did some things right that may not happen in the US (and I'm not talking about locking everyone in.)

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Biogen conference in Boston is responsible for almost all MA cases now. I'd be looking at why there and not the colleges. My guess is going to be handshakes, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Italy now has the second highest case count, having surpassed South Korea today.

Italy: 7,375 cases 366 deaths

South Korea: 7,313 case 50 deaths

What is up with the mortality rate disparity?! It will be very interesting to see how the data rolls out - age, general health, smoking, etc.

It's likely more functional and better trained medical care. South Korea has an ace health care system. COVID-19 is going to come as a nasty surprise to people who think that "western" is inherently superior. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_South_Korea

South Korea DOES practice Western medicine - they are easily on par with the US.

they are heads and shoulders BETTER than the US. I didn't mean "western" as in medical vs. eastern medicine. I meant it as in, white European. Americans will be shocked to find out how sh*tty our healthcare system is compared to Korea and maybe even China.

Dear LORD, the China is great poster.

I mean ... have you ever BEEN to a US ER during flu season? It's not pretty. We have a jacked-up medical system in the US, and everyone even peripherally involved or slightly observant knows that. We also lack the political and social will to complete large projects especially if they cause inconvenience to a privileged sectors. I mean ffs, municipalities are filing lawsuits to stop quarantine facilities from being built there. We suck as a society when we are faced with the need for collective action. I think China is horrific and scary in its scale of human rights abuses as well, by the way. But that has nothing to do with the coming sh*tshow in the US.

Anonymous wrote:Has this interview with Scott Gottlieb been posted yet?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transcript-scott-gottlieb-on-face-the-nation-march-8-2020/

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Anonymous wrote:Italy now has the second highest case count, having surpassed South Korea today.

Italy: 7,375 cases 366 deaths

South Korea: 7,313 case 50 deaths

What is up with the mortality rate disparity?! It will be very interesting to see how the data rolls out - age, general health, smoking, etc.

It's likely more functional and better trained medical care. South Korea has an ace health care system. COVID-19 is going to come as a nasty surprise to people who think that "western" is inherently superior. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_South_Korea

South Korea DOES practice Western medicine - they are easily on par with the US.

they are heads and shoulders BETTER than the US. I didn't mean "western" as in medical vs. eastern medicine. I meant it as in, white European. Americans will be shocked to find out how sh*tty our healthcare system is compared to Korea and maybe even China.

Dear LORD, the China is great poster.

On thing the crisis in Wuhan revealed is that the Chinese medical system is way over centralized. There are barely any clinics, which is why we saw all those huge lines at the Wuhan hospitals when cases went over a few 100 there. This of course served only to escalate spreading of the virus.

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Anonymous wrote:Italy now has the second highest case count, having surpassed South Korea today.

Italy: 7,375 cases 366 deaths

South Korea: 7,313 case 50 deaths

What is up with the mortality rate disparity?! It will be very interesting to see how the data rolls out - age, general health, smoking, etc.

It's likely more functional and better trained medical care. South Korea has an ace health care system. COVID-19 is going to come as a nasty surprise to people who think that "western" is inherently superior. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_South_Korea

South Korea DOES practice Western medicine - they are easily on par with the US.

they are heads and shoulders BETTER than the US. I didn't mean "western" as in medical vs. eastern medicine. I meant it as in, white European. Americans will be shocked to find out how sh*tty our healthcare system is compared to Korea and maybe even China.

Dear LORD, the China is great poster.

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Anonymous wrote:Italy now has the second highest case count, having surpassed South Korea today.

Italy: 7,375 cases 366 deaths

South Korea: 7,313 case 50 deaths

What is up with the mortality rate disparity?! It will be very interesting to see how the data rolls out - age, general health, smoking, etc.

It's likely more functional and better trained medical care. South Korea has an ace health care system. COVID-19 is going to come as a nasty surprise to people who think that "western" is inherently superior. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_South_Korea

South Korea DOES practice Western medicine - they are easily on par with the US.

they are heads and shoulders BETTER than the US. I didn't mean "western" as in medical vs. eastern medicine. I meant it as in, white European. Americans will be shocked to find out how sh*tty our healthcare system is compared to Korea and maybe even China.

Dear LORD, the China is great poster.