I never heard anyone dissecting and critiquing music like this until TS.

In the 80s,90s, 00s, we just listened to what we liked and judged you if you liked something different.

The internet has made everything weird and bad.

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Anonymous wrote:It will win AOTY

Come on now

I think that PP is just poking the bear.

Anonymous wrote:It will win AOTY

I really don't think so. It's getting increasingly hard for Taylor to win AOTY simply because of the volume of albums she's released -- each subsequent one feels less special and important because of how many she's released. She won for Fearless because it was her breakout album outside the country category. She won for 1989 which is definitely her best pop album and a really extraordinary collection of hit songs. She won for folklore because it was a genuinely successful shift in sound for her, establishing her as a more mature artist and rewarding the stretch and creativity. I don't entirely know why Midnights won, I think it was just like "you are our pop queen now." Don't get me wrong, I really love Midnights, but I don't think there was as strong of an industry reason to reward it that year. Except to kind of cement her at icon status.

But from here on out, it's just increasingly unlikely unless, like with folklore, she does something that surprises people in a really positive way. This tends to be era of an artist's music where they do weird things other people don't get, engage in failed experimentation (think Dylan in the 80s), and have messy private lives. Then she'll probably kind of disappear or relax into playing her hits for the masses but not really making anything new. And THEN her best chance to peak again will be some kind of comeback album in her 40s or, even better, 50s where she both does something new and reminds people what they loved about her all along. Also maybe makes herself relevant to a new generation. Think Johnny Cash doing that album of covers including NIN's "Hurt".

She's not going to just keep getting AOTY for churning out albums that feel mostly in keeping with the rest of her body of work. Especially because, thanks to Eras, people are just so darn familiar with her body of work at this point. It's going to be really hard to surprise and delight at this point. Victim of her own success and all that.

Anonymous wrote:It will win AOTY

Come on now

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Anonymous wrote:My take is that this album was rushed and phoned in to get under Matty Healy’s skin and prove how happy she’s been since he ghosted her. The whole thing feels like the musical equivalent of posting staged party photos and flashy couple pics with your new man just to show your ex how “great” you’re doing. Otherwise, why on earth would she be bragging about her boyfriend’s manhood in her lyrics? Nobody cares about it apart from an insecure ex. It did backfire though. This album makes Taylor sound insufferable, juvenile and arrogant. And the fact that she either misinterpreted or misrepresented what Charlie’s song was about makes the fans question everything we know from only her perspective. Who knows how unfairly she has represented her issues with Jake Gyllenhaal, Joe, Matty etc.

This sounds like some major overthinking.

Thinking about art or “art” is not a problem or “overthinking.”

I should hope people would think and have something to say about the songs.

Maybe the whole point was to provoke thought, which seems to have been very successful.

It will win AOTY

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Anonymous wrote:My take is that this album was rushed and phoned in to get under Matty Healy’s skin and prove how happy she’s been since he ghosted her. The whole thing feels like the musical equivalent of posting staged party photos and flashy couple pics with your new man just to show your ex how “great” you’re doing. Otherwise, why on earth would she be bragging about her boyfriend’s manhood in her lyrics? Nobody cares about it apart from an insecure ex. It did backfire though. This album makes Taylor sound insufferable, juvenile and arrogant. And the fact that she either misinterpreted or misrepresented what Charlie’s song was about makes the fans question everything we know from only her perspective. Who knows how unfairly she has represented her issues with Jake Gyllenhaal, Joe, Matty etc.

Bottom line, she's old, washed up and cringe. Only reason her handlers were able to extend her fame into her late 30s is with that complete hoax about "Taylor's version." What is Taylor's version? Those are called greatest hits for washed up artists. Instead her team repackaged her greatest hits with this phony con all of her fanatics bought hook, line, and sinker. If you think ruthless record labels would let artists re-record their old hit songs to steal the master's you are hopelessly gullible. Her fans still believe that nonsense after being duped out of $$$$$.

Yeah, that sucks. I feel used.

Do you think TS had a deal with a ruthless record label to re-record? My understanding was that Scooter or whoever could not stop her from re-recording because she owned the copyright of the songs — just not the actual recordings of the songs.

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Anonymous wrote:I've done three-four listens. Fate of Ophelia is only "good" song though I like actually romantic too and, to a lesser degree, cancelled. The rest, including cancelled and actually romantic, are all fillers.

Those are my favorites too. But I’m old enough to remember that when new albums were released, 1-2 great songs was all we expected. We almost never liked or listened to the other songs. We couldn’t even name them. So it’s impossible for me to be disappointed about that.

Very true. I remember back in the dark ages, joining the Columbia Record Club (or whatever it was called) to buy CDs. It was always painful buying an entire CD when I knew there would only be one or two songs on each that I liked. At least with streaming, you can just play the songs you like and ignore the rest. My favorites are Fate of Ophelia, Life of a Showgirl, Eldest Daughter, Wi$h Li$t, Ruin the Friendship, Opalite, and Honey. Hate the others.

In the dark ages and then you give a CD example? What about even further back with "the B side" meant something? The B side had all the crap songs. Easily half the album was crap.

Are you ok?

Are you totally new to how the music industry works?

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Anonymous wrote:My take is that this album was rushed and phoned in to get under Matty Healy’s skin and prove how happy she’s been since he ghosted her. The whole thing feels like the musical equivalent of posting staged party photos and flashy couple pics with your new man just to show your ex how “great” you’re doing. Otherwise, why on earth would she be bragging about her boyfriend’s manhood in her lyrics? Nobody cares about it apart from an insecure ex. It did backfire though. This album makes Taylor sound insufferable, juvenile and arrogant. And the fact that she either misinterpreted or misrepresented what Charlie’s song was about makes the fans question everything we know from only her perspective. Who knows how unfairly she has represented her issues with Jake Gyllenhaal, Joe, Matty etc.

This sounds like some major overthinking.

Thinking about art or “art” is not a problem or “overthinking.”

I should hope people would think and have something to say about the songs.

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Anonymous wrote:Album is a flop. Once she blew the initial PR and bot activity, nobody really cares.

It's so funny how you keep coming back to make the same ridiculous claim over and over. She really lives in your mind rent-free, doesn't she?

What is up with the attempts at controlling/ridiculing others thoughts? Or deleting posts you don’t like? Get a grip even Taylor says anytime you say her name, she gets money.

No one is trying to control your thoughts - but when you make false claims, you're going to be called out on them. You keep insisting this album is a "flop," when all reports simply say reception has been mixed. Commercially, anyway, it's been an enormous success.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/music/music-news/taylor-swift-the-life-of-a-showgirl-critic-reviews-1236392461/

DP

You are assuming the poster meant it is a financial flop.

“The album is an artistic flop.” That’s an opinion. You are welcome to have a different opinion but you should not squash someone’s viewpoint.

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Anonymous wrote:Album is a flop. Once she blew the initial PR and bot activity, nobody really cares.

It's so funny how you keep coming back to make the same ridiculous claim over and over. She really lives in your mind rent-free, doesn't she?

DP

It’s so funny how you think only one person dislikes the album. 😂😂

Anonymous wrote:How could tap water and dry toast be this controverial?

Fair point. It’s annoying how bad it is…

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Anonymous wrote:This album was so uninspiring and mailed in. It’s obviously a reflection of her being in this sham relationship with the jock bozo.

Shes the only artist in history to hold the top 12 spots on the charts. Album rocks. I loved it

She manipulated that but okay.

I honestly think she's an depressed alcoholic. This relationship with Travis is frankly just gross. Nobody finds that trashy moron aspirational and nobody actually believes she's addicted to his penis. It's all so phony and forced. She needs to dump his sorry ass.

Anonymous wrote:My take is that this album was rushed and phoned in to get under Matty Healy’s skin and prove how happy she’s been since he ghosted her. The whole thing feels like the musical equivalent of posting staged party photos and flashy couple pics with your new man just to show your ex how “great” you’re doing. Otherwise, why on earth would she be bragging about her boyfriend’s manhood in her lyrics? Nobody cares about it apart from an insecure ex. It did backfire though. This album makes Taylor sound insufferable, juvenile and arrogant. And the fact that she either misinterpreted or misrepresented what Charlie’s song was about makes the fans question everything we know from only her perspective. Who knows how unfairly she has represented her issues with Jake Gyllenhaal, Joe, Matty etc.

I don't know about rushed, but agree she is trying to prove a point to matty (so many little digs at him, all of wood), which makes for bad art. I also think she is drinking way too much. Both her and matty need to go to rehab together and make a great rehab collab album!

But the charlie thing - first that is also about matty (pick a fight with the person he calls his best friend because she can't pick a fight with him), second charli and her gang HAVE made a bunch of little digs at Taylor in the past two years and those digs sting because they are matty's gang. It isn't a response to a song that isn't really about her. It is about all those little "valentines" (eg digs) charli has been sending her way.

betty ford clinic, both of you two, stat. Also dump your parasite clout chasing partner/enablers. You don't have get back together but you do have to "make up" so that you can make good music again,