Anonymous
05/08/2023 19:36
Subject: Succession - Season 4
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Cannot believe the near unanimous prophecy of Kerry's erasure from existence was so dead on balls accurate. Hard to believe she hasn't become a human turd in the punchbowl to screw up the deal with Matteson.
Roman mentioned her name briefly in last night's episode. May be a sign she'll make another appearance.
I didn't catch this. When and in what context?
Also, does Logan have a will? We know there was a paper in his safe, but did he have an actual will? I find this odd.
Anonymous
05/08/2023 17:43
Subject: Succession - Season 4
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If Tom didn’t father Shiv’s baby, who did? They can’t spring a new baby daddy character on us in the last few episodes, can they?
No, it's def Tom. Why Shiv kept looking at him and suddenly felt ambivalent about their relationship, even giving it one final go.
The show runners have confirmed in a podcast that Tom is the father. For sure for sure, no more speculation.
I think that fight makes it slightly more likely that Shiv will terminate the pregnancy because right now her choices are awful. She can try to stick it out with Tom, knowing that he believe what he said about her and also knowing that he would probably stick it out anyway just to stay in proximity to the money and power. Or she can divorce him knowing that he will have parental rights and she will have to pay him probably a huge amount in child support (in divorces like this, child support can be massive because there is an expectation that the kids have some consistency in their lives between the rich parent and the not-rich parents, which means the rich parent forks over a lot of money for housing, tutoring, activities, private schools, etc. in order to make up for the difference in resources) plus they would be in each others lives for ever.
Shiv is in her 5th or 6th month, isn’t she? I’m guessing the super-rich can always pay someone to take care of it, but still it seems like a long-shot.
Neither Shiv nor Tom would make a great parent, but Tom might be marginally better.
How on earth can Tom NOT know that she’s pregnant? She looks different and they were sleeping together. You’d think he would have noticed or suspected.
Why isn’t she telling him??????
Anonymous
05/08/2023 17:26
Subject: Succession - Season 4
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If Tom didn’t father Shiv’s baby, who did? They can’t spring a new baby daddy character on us in the last few episodes, can they?
No, it's def Tom. Why Shiv kept looking at him and suddenly felt ambivalent about their relationship, even giving it one final go.
The show runners have confirmed in a podcast that Tom is the father. For sure for sure, no more speculation.
I think that fight makes it slightly more likely that Shiv will terminate the pregnancy because right now her choices are awful. She can try to stick it out with Tom, knowing that he believe what he said about her and also knowing that he would probably stick it out anyway just to stay in proximity to the money and power. Or she can divorce him knowing that he will have parental rights and she will have to pay him probably a huge amount in child support (in divorces like this, child support can be massive because there is an expectation that the kids have some consistency in their lives between the rich parent and the not-rich parents, which means the rich parent forks over a lot of money for housing, tutoring, activities, private schools, etc. in order to make up for the difference in resources) plus they would be in each others lives for ever.
Shiv is in her 5th or 6th month, isn’t she? I’m guessing the super-rich can always pay someone to take care of it, but still it seems like a long-shot.
Neither Shiv nor Tom would make a great parent, but Tom might be marginally better.
Anonymous
05/08/2023 17:06
Subject: Succession - Season 4
Anonymous wrote:Cannot believe the near unanimous prophecy of Kerry's erasure from existence was so dead on balls accurate. Hard to believe she hasn't become a human turd in the punchbowl to screw up the deal with Matteson.
Eh, I'm still not convinced we don't see her again in some capacity. The funeral hasn't happened yet and we also haven't seen Marcia since the same episode.
Not saying I think she's coming back, but I wouldn't be surprised if she shows up to the funeral, or makes an appearance for something related to Waystar. Obviously she's not traveling with the family to Norway or LA, and wasn't invited to that party, but that doesn't mean that much. Karl wasn't at the party either and I don't think we're done with him yet either.
Anonymous
05/08/2023 17:03
Subject: Succession - Season 4
Anonymous wrote:Cannot believe the near unanimous prophecy of Kerry's erasure from existence was so dead on balls accurate. Hard to believe she hasn't become a human turd in the punchbowl to screw up the deal with Matteson.
Roman mentioned her name briefly in last night's episode. May be a sign she'll make another appearance.
Anonymous
05/08/2023 17:03
Subject: Succession - Season 4
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If Tom didn’t father Shiv’s baby, who did? They can’t spring a new baby daddy character on us in the last few episodes, can they?
No, it's def Tom. Why Shiv kept looking at him and suddenly felt ambivalent about their relationship, even giving it one final go.
The show runners have confirmed in a podcast that Tom is the father. For sure for sure, no more speculation.
I think that fight makes it slightly more likely that Shiv will terminate the pregnancy because right now her choices are awful. She can try to stick it out with Tom, knowing that he believe what he said about her and also knowing that he would probably stick it out anyway just to stay in proximity to the money and power. Or she can divorce him knowing that he will have parental rights and she will have to pay him probably a huge amount in child support (in divorces like this, child support can be massive because there is an expectation that the kids have some consistency in their lives between the rich parent and the not-rich parents, which means the rich parent forks over a lot of money for housing, tutoring, activities, private schools, etc. in order to make up for the difference in resources) plus they would be in each others lives for ever.
Anonymous
05/08/2023 17:01
Subject: Succession - Season 4
Cannot believe the near unanimous prophecy of Kerry's erasure from existence was so dead on balls accurate. Hard to believe she hasn't become a human turd in the punchbowl to screw up the deal with Matteson.
Anonymous
05/08/2023 16:48
Subject: Succession - Season 4
Anonymous wrote:If Tom didn’t father Shiv’s baby, who did? They can’t spring a new baby daddy character on us in the last few episodes, can they?
No, it's def Tom. Why Shiv kept looking at him and suddenly felt ambivalent about their relationship, even giving it one final go.
Anonymous
05/08/2023 16:46
Subject: Succession - Season 4
If Tom didn’t father Shiv’s baby, who did? They can’t spring a new baby daddy character on us in the last few episodes, can they?
Anonymous
05/08/2023 16:41
Subject: Succession - Season 4
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: Kendall may be “sober” but he still has all the character traits of an addict/ is a dry drunk. .
YES! I thought the exact same thing in that scene. He's such a horribly damaged person. I feel so sad for his kids.
SIX CONTINENTS!
Anonymous
05/08/2023 15:46
Subject: Re:Succession - Season 4
Anonymous wrote:Poor Tom
Tom will bounce back. Maybe he doesn’t have love, but he can spill the beans about so much that his financial position is secure whether it’s inside or outside ATN. He knows Shiv’s been negotiating with Mattson, he knows about the ship scandal, and he knows what Kendall did to the Living+ forecasts.
And will he have a role if Shiv has her child? Such as sharing custody or full custody. Because let’s face it, everybody is right about Shiv, just like Kendall she’s too damaged to be a great parent. That is, if Shiv is actually carrying Tom’s child and there’s no big reveal about the father.
Anonymous
05/08/2023 15:29
Subject: Succession - Season 4
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: Kendall may be “sober” but he still has all the character traits of an addict/ is a dry drunk. .
YES! I thought the exact same thing in that scene. He's such a horribly damaged person. I feel so sad for his kids.
This scene made me think of Walter White at the end of Breaking Bad, admitting that all along he had been saying he was trying to provide for his family but the truth was really that he did it for himself, because he liked it and it made him feel important. Same with Kendall.
Anonymous
05/08/2023 15:21
Subject: Re:Succession - Season 4
Poor Tom
Anonymous
05/08/2023 15:09
Subject: Succession - Season 4
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: Kendall may be “sober” but he still has all the character traits of an addict/ is a dry drunk. .
YES! I thought the exact same thing in that scene. He's such a horribly damaged person. I feel so sad for his kids.
Anonymous
05/08/2023 14:48
Subject: Re:Succession - Season 4
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ugh, tonights episode was really hard to watch. Not really even any surprises, just one miserable turn of events after another. Thoughts:
- Willa is the only character I genuinely like, and Connor saying that there was only one person in that room who genuinely believes in/cares about (can't remember which) him, and he was going to listen to her? One of the smartest things anyone has ever said on the show.
- I don't think Shiv and Tom can come back from that and now very curious to see what happens with the pregnancy.
- Roman is scaring me right now so the idea of him giving the eulogy is, uh, bad.
- I hate that Kendall started to seem kind of smart by the end of the episode again. I'm not rooting for Matsson, who also sucks, but if he stumbles into some huge win (Wayco acquiring Gojo) despite himself, I'm going to be so annoyed. So now I think this is probably what happens.
- Go Gerri! She can join Willa on the "not total trash" team. I like that she put Romans balls in a vise and started turning the crank. Perfect.
I was so pissed at Roman for insulting Willa in front of Connor and had major respect for Connor's character for his reaction. Roman sucks, Kendall sucks for being such a loser father and douche of an ex-husband, and Shiv is such a jerk to Tom (who sucks in his own way too).
It's crazy that of the four of them, Connor is the one who is turning out to have the most maturity and good sense when it comes to relationships.
Though in retrospect it kind of makes sense, because Connor is the only one of the four who ever seemed to understand on any level that (1) Logan was never going to give him the love or approval he craves, and (2) so you might as well just enjoy the money. At the beginning of the show, he's just off living on his big ranch out West away from all the Waystar craziness. He gets drawn in a bit in the second season, but ultimately still decides to go do his own thing and run for president. I mean, it's ridiculous and he's ridiculous, but it's also perversely admirable that he's just like "I'm really rich and my family sucks -- I'm just going to please myself." So he does. Good for him.
I also loved that Willa told him to stay in the race and the reasoning she gave him because it's so sensible. He came all this way and spent all this money, might as well see what happens, plus Menken is awful ("all my friends and family hate him") so eff that guy, and who the heck wants to go live in Oman when you are rich enough to live somewhere you actually want? Like why take a 3rd rate diplomatic posting when you could just go buy a really nice apartment in London or Paris or Berlin tomorrow and just live there without having to work? Willa is smarter than any of them.
I like Connor and Willa too because they stay out of the Waystar fray and shady games for the most part.
But Willa clearly didn’t want to go live in Oman (can you blame her, being stuck there with Connor) and I wonder if that’s behind her advice to Connor, either a little or a lot. In which case her advice wasn’t exactly selfless. You’re absolutely right, they can go live in London or Paris instead, which must have gone through her head—but I don’t remember her having that specific convo with Connor. Maybe she did and I wasn’t paying attention.
I liked how Connor handled the funeral arrangements meeting. But he was deluded about his election chances until Roman spelled it out for him the night before polls opened, so I’m not sure about his maturity.
I like Willa, but let's be real - Willa did not stick around because of her great passionate love for Connor. Willa has figured out that no one in the family pays attention to Connor or takes him seriously. I think she probably started sticking up for Connor out of a sense of fair play and decency, but she married him for his millions or billions and it's very clear that she's going to exert her influence over him so that in time whatever[i] Willa says will go as far as Connor is concerned. Does that play into the finale of this show? I don't find it hugely likely, but on the other hand Willa is the only non-essential character that's been with us since season one, episode one.