Anonymous wrote:This is rather ironic

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/13/the-kremlin-is-starting-to-worry-about-trump/

"What the Kremlin fears most today is that Trump may be ousted or even killed. His ouster, Kremlin insiders argue, is bound to unleash a virulent and bipartisan anti-Russian campaign in Washington. Oddly, therefore, Putin has become a hostage to Trump’s survival and success. This has seriously restricted Russia’s geopolitical options. The Kremlin is perfectly aware that Democrats want to use Russia to discredit and possibly impeach Trump while Republican elites want to use Russia to deflate and discipline Trump. The Russian government fears not only Trump’s downfall, of course, but also the possibility that he could opportunistically switch to a tough anti-Moscow line in order to make peace with hawkish Republican leaders in Congress."

How could they be fearing Trump's downfall when the whole operation has been so sloppy? It's almost as if his downfall is part of the plan.

I still believe some version of what I started suspecting last summer:

1. Trump's debt to Russia got unwieldy. They told him he could get out of it by undermining Clinton.
2. He agreed to do it, believing it would be easy to either kill her campaign or undermine her presidency and then he'd be free.
3. He does everything he can think of to lose.
4. He knew there would be Russian interference in the election but still thought he'd lose and the hacking business would only harm a President Clinton.
5. Then SURPRISE! He's president, a job he definitely doesn't want. Still in the grips of Putin, with a debt he can never pay off.

Question is, what does Putin want him to do. Better question, how far will our national security let him go. Because for all the speculating we're doing here, there are obviously people who know way more. They may feel it's safer for the country if Trump stays where he is while they isolate the threat.

Anonymous wrote:Carter, Page, Manafort, Flynn. Four Trump advisers all cut loose b/c of Russia ties. Some point, and that point is now, you look at the boss

Carter Page is one person not two.

"Trump Campaign Aides Had Repeated Contacts With Russian Intelligence" http://nyti.ms/2l6gp6a - lets connect the dots.

Carter, Page, Manafort, Flynn. Four Trump advisers all cut loose b/c of Russia ties. Some point, and that point is now, you look at the boss

Anonymous wrote:This is rather ironic

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/13/the-kremlin-is-starting-to-worry-about-trump/

"What the Kremlin fears most today is that Trump may be ousted or even killed. His ouster, Kremlin insiders argue, is bound to unleash a virulent and bipartisan anti-Russian campaign in Washington. Oddly, therefore, Putin has become a hostage to Trump’s survival and success. This has seriously restricted Russia’s geopolitical options. The Kremlin is perfectly aware that Democrats want to use Russia to discredit and possibly impeach Trump while Republican elites want to use Russia to deflate and discipline Trump. The Russian government fears not only Trump’s downfall, of course, but also the possibility that he could opportunistically switch to a tough anti-Moscow line in order to make peace with hawkish Republican leaders in Congress."

It's a very tricky position now that Putin has been discovered. He can't act too chummy toward Trump or too antagonistic toward US interests.

Nothing. It's all good.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-department-warned-white-house-that-flynn-could-be-vulnerable-to-russian-blackmail-officials-say/2017/02/13/fc5dab88-f228-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_flynn-0818pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.

Justice Department warned WH that Flynn could be vulnerable to Russian blackmail last month.

What happens next?

This is rather ironic

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/13/the-kremlin-is-starting-to-worry-about-trump/

"What the Kremlin fears most today is that Trump may be ousted or even killed. His ouster, Kremlin insiders argue, is bound to unleash a virulent and bipartisan anti-Russian campaign in Washington. Oddly, therefore, Putin has become a hostage to Trump’s survival and success. This has seriously restricted Russia’s geopolitical options. The Kremlin is perfectly aware that Democrats want to use Russia to discredit and possibly impeach Trump while Republican elites want to use Russia to deflate and discipline Trump. The Russian government fears not only Trump’s downfall, of course, but also the possibility that he could opportunistically switch to a tough anti-Moscow line in order to make peace with hawkish Republican leaders in Congress."

I would love to hear the birtherism 2.0 poster respond to these. Thank you, PP, for posting the info from Adam Khan (@khanoisseur).

Let's not forget, this is the main story.

From Adam Kahn

1. A thread on something that's been bothering me:
How on earth was Trump losing money on his casinos while competitors were making bank?
2. You can say "haha what a dummy-losing money on casinos" but as I noted, Trump's losses appear deliberate, planned
3. But what if there's more to Trump's casino losses, which ran billions of dollars.
Was it to disguise Russian money laundering?
4. Article below from 1995 notes how Russian mafia was laundering money in and out of the US using dummy corps
5. A coincidence that Trump's projects–after banks ditched him–were financed by Russian mafia linked Bayrock?
6. Soviet characters–Sater, Arif, Sapir, Mashkevich-suddenly pouring hundreds of millions into a bankrupt Trump? ?
7. Were these Russian links established during Trump's casino run-he helps them with laundering-they bail him out?

8. Recall the lawsuit against Bayrock naming Trump and kids alleges $250 million were laundered, untaxed, to Russia
9. We know Trump was getting tax benefits for losing people's investments, but now we have this laundering angle
10. Here is the smoking gun: US Treasury fined Trump's casinos $10 million for "significant, long standing anti-money laundering violations"
11. $10M money laundering fine levied on Trump was LARGEST PENALTY FinCen-Financial Crimes Enforcement Network-ever levied against a casino
12. If Congress pursues Trump's Russia ties/grooming, his casino money laundering investigation holds key answers
13. Fresh look into the casino would reveal how far back his Russian ties go, activities money laundering supported
14. Danny Leung, VP Foreign Marketing at Trump's casino was ID'd by US Senate as member of organized crime/money laundering outfit 14K Triad
15. Perfect segue-from money laundering at Trump's casinos to organized crime hires to Russian mafia $
16. So during his casino (hit with $10M $ laundering fine) run in 90s Trump *personally* sold condos to Russian mob
17. Bogantin-Mogilevich link leads me back to question ?, plus possibility that kompromat on Trump is financial too!
18. Trump sold *5* condos to associate of crime boss/Putin pal Mogilevich, whose CV includes Al Qaeda, arms, nukes, contract hits on journos
19. For exposing Mogilevich's relationship to Putin, ex-KGB Litvinenko was killed with radioactive pulonium-210 in a London hotel in 2006
20. If Mogilevich-Putin collab is behind Trump, you'll understand why no journalist or politician will probe further
21. So now that it's clear both Bogatin, Sater worked for Mogilevich–explains Trump's casino financials, $10M fine?
21. So now that it's clear both Bogatin, Sater worked for Mogilevich–explains Trump's casino financials, $10M fine?
22. No reporter wants to touch Trump's RUS-mob$-Mogilevich ties–after all, a contract hit was placed on one for this

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


If we're going to build up the "Russia Controls Trump" conspiracy AGAIN, would you please provide some evidence this time? Russia/Trump is proving to be birtherism 2.0!

Evidence is all over the place!

Why, oh, why does Trump defend Putin at every turn?
Why, oh, why did Trump equate Putin's murderous ways with America's government?
Why, oh, why did Trump say a few weeks ago that he was open to lifting sanctions against Russia?
Why, oh, why won't Trump release his tax returns?
Why, oh, why was 19.5% of Rosneft sold to an unknown buyer and left in an account in the Cayman islands?
Why, oh, why has the author of the 35 page dossier on Trump disappeared?
Why, oh, why did Putin arrest or kill the people believed to be sources of the 35 page dossier on Trump?
Why, oh, why did the Russians hack the US election in favor of Trump?

I'm tired of typing. How's the weather in Moscow?

Given that everyone of these is your elaborate fantasy (Cayman Islands stuff is secret, who knows where it went?) based upon a few facts, I call "Russia Controls Trump" a quarter-baked idea that serves as a distraction from domestic issues. And that my friends, makes it Birtherism 2.0!

Hot take. Take a peek at the front page of the WaPo.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


If we're going to build up the "Russia Controls Trump" conspiracy AGAIN, would you please provide some evidence this time? Russia/Trump is proving to be birtherism 2.0!

Evidence is all over the place!

Why, oh, why does Trump defend Putin at every turn?
Why, oh, why did Trump equate Putin's murderous ways with America's government?
Why, oh, why did Trump say a few weeks ago that he was open to lifting sanctions against Russia?
Why, oh, why won't Trump release his tax returns?
Why, oh, why was 19.5% of Rosneft sold to an unknown buyer and left in an account in the Cayman islands?
Why, oh, why has the author of the 35 page dossier on Trump disappeared?
Why, oh, why did Putin arrest or kill the people believed to be sources of the 35 page dossier on Trump?
Why, oh, why did the Russians hack the US election in favor of Trump?

I'm tired of typing. How's the weather in Moscow?

Given that everyone of these is your elaborate fantasy (Cayman Islands stuff is secret, who knows where it went?) based upon a few facts, I call "Russia Controls Trump" a quarter-baked idea that serves as a distraction from domestic issues. And that my friends, makes it Birtherism 2.0!

Anonymous wrote:These are all great questions. Now that trump and sessions have issued "get tough on crime" EOs, there will be a full investigation, and

they will be tried for their treasonous actions.

Haha, good one!

These are all great questions. Now that trump and sessions have issued "get tough on crime" EOs, there will be a full investigation, and they will be tried for their treasonous actions.

Anonymous wrote:


If we're going to build up the "Russia Controls Trump" conspiracy AGAIN, would you please provide some evidence this time? Russia/Trump is proving to be birtherism 2.0!

Evidence is all over the place!

Why, oh, why does Trump defend Putin at every turn?
Why, oh, why did Trump equate Putin's murderous ways with America's government?
Why, oh, why did Trump say a few weeks ago that he was open to lifting sanctions against Russia?
Why, oh, why won't Trump release his tax returns?
Why, oh, why was 19.5% of Rosneft sold to an unknown buyer and left in an account in the Cayman islands?
Why, oh, why has the author of the 35 page dossier on Trump disappeared?
Why, oh, why did Putin arrest or kill the people believed to be sources of the 35 page dossier on Trump?
Why, oh, why did the Russians hack the US election in favor of Trump?

I'm tired of typing. How's the weather in Moscow?