Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 12:34     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
Anonymous wrote:
The prolific anti-CC poster is still engaged in flurries of handwaving and deflections but has still not addressed the central issue on the floor here:

If you want to insist that Common Core is "a mess" and is "developmentally inappropriate" and "bad standards" then again, for the 457th time, HOW SPECIFICALLY SO and BY WHAT SPECIFIC CRITERIA and WHERE IS YOUR DATA AND ANALYSIS TO BACK IT UP?

All you keep doing is posting opinion and rant as chaff, which does not address the question above.

If you cannot answer the question, you are being intellectually dishonest with us.



Okay. I have a lot to gain by coming on here and being "intellectually dishonest". You can believe that if you wish. But I am not a rich person (far from it) nor is my child in a charter school that does not teach to the test. I actually think that many "intellectuals" are the ones sending us into the toilet. If you would listen to some "intellectually dishonest" people (as you seem to think they are), you might get a better understanding of how things actually work or don't work. Sorry I don't have tons of "data and analysis", but relying solely on those things will leave so much of a child behind (and already is in huge numbers). Because children are not just numbers. Your children are lucky to be in a charter school. You have no idea.

Oh, I do have something. I have a voice and a vote and I intend to use those things. Your data is not helping you anyway BTW. It's showing what the rest of us "intellectually dishonest" people already know---lots of money spent with no impact. Your way is not working. Why not try something different?



Your problem is that you don't have *ANYTHING* to base "your voice and your vote" on - or for that matter, your opinion that "it is not working" and "has had no impact" - other than some extreme disinformation and lies coming in the form of right wing talking points being spread as a funded, organized disinformation astroturf campaign by the Heartland Institute and others which have been repeated here ad nauseam, despite having been shown to have no data, substance or analysis behind them and which have been disproven over and over again.

Do you really not even understand that it's problematic that you can't actually prove any of the things you are saying? That you are accepting these talking points on nothing but faith? Intellectual honesty means you need to question things and look closely and carefully at the statements being made on either side, and to independently verify things before just going out and repeating them. It's pretty obvious that you haven't done that.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 12:32     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests

The "no teachers were involved" nonsense was already debunked and disproven, so the PP is obviously just trolling. S/he might as well be posting "LOL! No, 1+1 = 3.64" and it isn't even funny trolling...


Can you read? It was never disproven. One Politifact article citing one teacher and the Common Core website--that's it.




Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 12:29     Subject: "Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests


How do you account for so many teachers who are speaking out against the CC?

They are "bad teachers", right?
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 12:25     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
Anonymous wrote:


The prolific anti-CC poster is still engaged in flurries of handwaving and deflections but has still not addressed the central issue on the floor here:

If you want to insist that Common Core is "a mess" and is "developmentally inappropriate" and "bad standards" then again, for the 457th time, HOW SPECIFICALLY SO and BY WHAT SPECIFIC CRITERIA and WHERE IS YOUR DATA AND ANALYSIS TO BACK IT UP?

All you keep doing is posting opinion and rant as chaff, which does not address the question above.

If you cannot answer the question, you are being intellectually dishonest with us.


LOL! Still can't find those teachers, can you?



The "no teachers were involved" nonsense was already debunked and disproven, so the PP is obviously just trolling. S/he might as well be posting "LOL! No, 1+1 = 3.64" and it isn't even funny trolling...
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 12:25     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
The prolific anti-CC poster is still engaged in flurries of handwaving and deflections but has still not addressed the central issue on the floor here:

If you want to insist that Common Core is "a mess" and is "developmentally inappropriate" and "bad standards" then again, for the 457th time, HOW SPECIFICALLY SO and BY WHAT SPECIFIC CRITERIA and WHERE IS YOUR DATA AND ANALYSIS TO BACK IT UP?

All you keep doing is posting opinion and rant as chaff, which does not address the question above.

If you cannot answer the question, you are being intellectually dishonest with us.



Okay. I have a lot to gain by coming on here and being "intellectually dishonest". You can believe that if you wish. But I am not a rich person (far from it) nor is my child in a charter school that does not teach to the test. I actually think that many "intellectuals" are the ones sending us into the toilet. If you would listen to some "intellectually dishonest" people (as you seem to think they are), you might get a better understanding of how things actually work or don't work. Sorry I don't have tons of "data and analysis", but relying solely on those things will leave so much of a child behind (and already is in huge numbers). Because children are not just numbers. Your children are lucky to be in a charter school. You have no idea.

Oh, I do have something. I have a voice and a vote and I intend to use those things. Your data is not helping you anyway BTW. It's showing what the rest of us "intellectually dishonest" people already know---lots of money spent with no impact. Your way is not working. Why not try something different?

Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 12:23     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
The teachers question was already addressed several times over with the Politifact article and many others, yet you have failed to provide any actual evidence for your own claims that no teachers were involved.


A teacher who claims she is responsible for putting in the "equal" sign? Really, you call that data or documentation?
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 12:14     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
Anonymous wrote:


The prolific anti-CC poster is still engaged in flurries of handwaving and deflections but has still not addressed the central issue on the floor here:

If you want to insist that Common Core is "a mess" and is "developmentally inappropriate" and "bad standards" then again, for the 457th time, HOW SPECIFICALLY SO and BY WHAT SPECIFIC CRITERIA and WHERE IS YOUR DATA AND ANALYSIS TO BACK IT UP?

All you keep doing is posting opinion and rant as chaff, which does not address the question above.

If you cannot answer the question, you are being intellectually dishonest with us.


LOL! Still can't find those teachers, can you?

The teachers question was already addressed several times over with the Politifact article and many others, yet you have failed to provide any actual evidence for your own claims that no teachers were involved.

Now, stop deflecting and present your specifics, your data, your criteria, and your detailed analyses.

Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 11:47     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests


The prolific anti-CC poster is still engaged in flurries of handwaving and deflections but has still not addressed the central issue on the floor here:

If you want to insist that Common Core is "a mess" and is "developmentally inappropriate" and "bad standards" then again, for the 457th time, HOW SPECIFICALLY SO and BY WHAT SPECIFIC CRITERIA and WHERE IS YOUR DATA AND ANALYSIS TO BACK IT UP?

All you keep doing is posting opinion and rant as chaff, which does not address the question above.

If you cannot answer the question, you are being intellectually dishonest with us.


LOL! Still can't find those teachers, can you?




Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 11:41     Subject: "Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
The prolific anti-CC poster is still engaged in flurries of handwaving and deflections but has still not addressed the central issue on the floor here:

If you want to insist that Common Core is "a mess" and is "developmentally inappropriate" and "bad standards" then again, for the 457th time, HOW SPECIFICALLY SO and BY WHAT SPECIFIC CRITERIA and WHERE IS YOUR DATA AND ANALYSIS TO BACK IT UP?

All you keep doing is posting opinion and rant as chaff, which does not address the question above.

If you cannot answer the question, you are being intellectually dishonest with us.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 11:38     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests

Not sure how that's relevant but I'm the PP and my children attend a charter, which is not just meeting, but exceeding CC standards - they don't teach to the tests, they don't spend any significant prep time on standardized tests, yet get some of the best scores in the region. What they do works.


Well, that explains a lot.




Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 11:34     Subject: "Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Common Core is the accepted standard and is the status quo. It is up to the anti-CC folks to make and prove their case via specific details, tangible evidence, data, and analysis. Yet they have consistently failed to do so and instead all they do is attempt to bamboozle, deflect, accuse and raise the same debunked points over and over again. Sorry, but that is not how things work in the real world.


Just curious...do your children attend public school?


Not sure how that's relevant but I'm the PP and my children attend a charter, which is not just meeting, but exceeding CC standards - they don't teach to the tests, they don't spend any significant prep time on standardized tests, yet get some of the best scores in the region. What they do works.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 09:57     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
CC was started by well meaning politicians who wanted to fix education. The result: a mess. The big money publishers got involved with the help of the feds and the result is a mess.


+1 And in Ohio 22 hours of testing for 6th graders! (lots of electoral votes there):

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/editorials/2015/02/27/editorial-slash-testing-keep-common-core/24110487/
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 09:48     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
Yet they have consistently failed to do so and instead all they do is attempt to bamboozle, deflect, accuse and raise the same debunked points over and over again. Sorry, but that is not how things work in the real world.



Welcome to the real world. You'd best stay in Washington DC. where people don't do those things.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 09:38     Subject: "Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
Anonymous wrote:Common Core is the accepted standard and is the status quo. It is up to the anti-CC folks to make and prove their case via specific details, tangible evidence, data, and analysis. Yet they have consistently failed to do so and instead all they do is attempt to bamboozle, deflect, accuse and raise the same debunked points over and over again. Sorry, but that is not how things work in the real world.


Just curious...do your children attend public school?
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 09:36     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests


How interesting is it that the state that Bill Gates grew up in is a state that has rejected CC? It's also a state that accepts death with dignity and one of the first states to decriminalize marijuana, etc. Bunch of free thinkers out there who seem to do pretty well for themselves.

http://www.livingindialogue.com/washington-state-democratic-party-committee-vote-rejects-common-core/