Anonymous wrote:I am so, so tired of the strategic stupidity of the Democrats. Why use all their political capital on an invisible win? Why not insist on reopening USAID? Or taking ICE off the streets? Stupid!!!

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Anonymous wrote:The Democrats did *not* vote to shut the government down. They voted *against* a CR that makes medical insurance financially unattainable for millions of Americans.

No, they voted against a CR that does not extend the temporary COVID subsidy increase.

I’m a Dem but oh. I did not realize what Ds were arguing about was a subsidy bump up that was intended to be temporary during the pandemic. Not loving that. But kudos to them re: messaging - I had no idea this was the hill they were dying on.

Ftr, Dems are not fighting for a "temporary" bump but for an expansion of the ACA that was enacted during the pandemic, an expansion that should have happened earlier but had been blocked. The justification was the pandemic but the need had already been there.

When the ACA was enacted, it was supposed to be modified to work as intended and instead has been modified to work less well. The expansion fixed some of this. Dems and Reps know this, they just haven't figured out the messaging yet.

It was temporary for covid when people had lost all their jobs and we're not able to work. Should we continue other pandemic policies indefinitely? What about WW2 subsidies?

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Anonymous wrote:The Democrats did *not* vote to shut the government down. They voted *against* a CR that makes medical insurance financially unattainable for millions of Americans.

No, they voted against a CR that does not extend the temporary COVID subsidy increase.

I’m a Dem but oh. I did not realize what Ds were arguing about was a subsidy bump up that was intended to be temporary during the pandemic. Not loving that. But kudos to them re: messaging - I had no idea this was the hill they were dying on.

Ftr, Dems are not fighting for a "temporary" bump but for an expansion of the ACA that was enacted during the pandemic, an expansion that should have happened earlier but had been blocked. The justification was the pandemic but the need had already been there.

When the ACA was enacted, it was supposed to be modified to work as intended and instead has been modified to work less well. The expansion fixed some of this. Dems and Reps know this, they just haven't figured out the messaging yet.

It was temporary for covid when people had lost all their jobs and we're not able to work. Should we continue other pandemic policies indefinitely? What about WW2 subsidies?

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Anonymous wrote:The Democrats did *not* vote to shut the government down. They voted *against* a CR that makes medical insurance financially unattainable for millions of Americans.

No, they voted against a CR that does not extend the temporary COVID subsidy increase.

I’m a Dem but oh. I did not realize what Ds were arguing about was a subsidy bump up that was intended to be temporary during the pandemic. Not loving that. But kudos to them re: messaging - I had no idea this was the hill they were dying on.

Ftr, Dems are not fighting for a "temporary" bump but for an expansion of the ACA that was enacted during the pandemic, an expansion that should have happened earlier but had been blocked. The justification was the pandemic but the need had already been there.

When the ACA was enacted, it was supposed to be modified to work as intended and instead has been modified to work less well. The expansion fixed some of this. Dems and Reps know this, they just haven't figured out the messaging yet.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so, so tired of the strategic stupidity of the Democrats. Why use all their political capital on an invisible win? Why not insist on reopening USAID? Or taking ICE off the streets? Stupid!!!

A fight is a fight. They chose healthcare because that’s the issue the entire caucus is comfortable with and can get behind.

Let’s celebrate them building their opposition muscles. This will not be the last fight.

The fact that two Democrats have defected shows how much work still needs to be done with this party.

They have picked a stupid hill to die on.

Why is their only solution to things to always throw more money at it?

Every single thing that is subsidized by the government gets more expensive. When it becomes unaffordable to average working people, then the Dem solution is to subsidize it more, causing it to get even more expensive and less affordable to even those making a good income.

It is the same with housing, higher education, even groceries. Why do Dems no understand this? We cannot just keep printing money out of thin air. Sure, we can tax rich people, but will eventually run out of that as well.

The only solution to getting any of these under control is to move to a more consumer driven model. We need to off-ramp the employer-centric model and cap what can be received in pre-tax benefits. There can and should be an underlying safety net for those who are truly disabled and cannot work, but everyone else needs to work and contribute. There will be pain but unfortunately there will need to be some in order for the insurance companies to be held accountable. The ACA has done little else except for massively pad the pockets of insurance companies.

The majority of Americans have employer based health insurance. But the foundation, the bedrock of our health care system, is not employment based health insurance. It's Medicare. Federal funding is the most important funding for our health care system. You cannot take it out. It underlies everything.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so, so tired of the strategic stupidity of the Democrats. Why use all their political capital on an invisible win? Why not insist on reopening USAID? Or taking ICE off the streets? Stupid!!!

A fight is a fight. They chose healthcare because that’s the issue the entire caucus is comfortable with and can get behind.

Let’s celebrate them building their opposition muscles. This will not be the last fight.

The fact that two Democrats have defected shows how much work still needs to be done with this party.

They have picked a stupid hill to die on.

Why is their only solution to things to always throw more money at it?

Every single thing that is subsidized by the government gets more expensive. When it becomes unaffordable to average working people, then the Dem solution is to subsidize it more, causing it to get even more expensive and less affordable to even those making a good income.

It is the same with housing, higher education, even groceries. Why do Dems no understand this? We cannot just keep printing money out of thin air. Sure, we can tax rich people, but will eventually run out of that as well.

The only solution to getting any of these under control is to move to a more consumer driven model. We need to off-ramp the employer-centric model and cap what can be received in pre-tax benefits. There can and should be an underlying safety net for those who are truly disabled and cannot work, but everyone else needs to work and contribute. There will be pain but unfortunately there will need to be some in order for the insurance companies to be held accountable. The ACA has done little else except for massively pad the pockets of insurance companies.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so, so tired of the strategic stupidity of the Democrats. Why use all their political capital on an invisible win? Why not insist on reopening USAID? Or taking ICE off the streets? Stupid!!!

A fight is a fight. They chose healthcare because that’s the issue the entire caucus is comfortable with and can get behind.

Let’s celebrate them building their opposition muscles. This will not be the last fight.

The fact that two Democrats have defected shows how much work still needs to be done with this party.

They have picked a stupid hill to die on.

Why is their only solution to things to always throw more money at it?

Every single thing that is subsidized by the government gets more expensive. When it becomes unaffordable to average working people, then the Dem solution is to subsidize it more, causing it to get even more expensive and less affordable to even those making a good income.

It is the same with housing, higher education, even groceries. Why do Dems no understand this? We cannot just keep printing money out of thin air. Sure, we can tax rich people, but will eventually run out of that as well.

The only solution to getting any of these under control is to move to a more consumer driven model. We need to off-ramp the employer-centric model and cap what can be received in pre-tax benefits. There can and should be an underlying safety net for those who are truly disabled and cannot work, but everyone else needs to work and contribute. There will be pain but unfortunately there will need to be some in order for the insurance companies to be held accountable. The ACA has done little else except for massively pad the pockets of insurance companies.

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Anonymous wrote:The Democrats did *not* vote to shut the government down. They voted *against* a CR that makes medical insurance financially unattainable for millions of Americans.

No, they voted against a CR that does not extend the temporary COVID subsidy increase.

I’m a Dem but oh. I did not realize what Ds were arguing about was a subsidy bump up that was intended to be temporary during the pandemic. Not loving that. But kudos to them re: messaging - I had no idea this was the hill they were dying on.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so, so tired of the strategic stupidity of the Democrats. Why use all their political capital on an invisible win? Why not insist on reopening USAID? Or taking ICE off the streets? Stupid!!!

A fight is a fight. They chose healthcare because that’s the issue the entire caucus is comfortable with and can get behind.

Let’s celebrate them building their opposition muscles. This will not be the last fight.

The fact that two Democrats have defected shows how much work still needs to be done with this party.

Anonymous wrote:I am so, so tired of the strategic stupidity of the Democrats. Why use all their political capital on an invisible win? Why not insist on reopening USAID? Or taking ICE off the streets? Stupid!!!

Anonymous wrote:I am so, so tired of the strategic stupidity of the Democrats. Why use all their political capital on an invisible win? Why not insist on reopening USAID? Or taking ICE off the streets? Stupid!!!

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Anonymous wrote:The Democrats did *not* vote to shut the government down. They voted *against* a CR that makes medical insurance financially unattainable for millions of Americans.

No, they voted against a CR that does not extend the temporary COVID subsidy increase.

Anonymous wrote:MTG is saying to keep it shut down until the GOP brings back Obamacare subsidies because her adult kids will need to pay twice as much:

lol

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Anonymous wrote:I do not[u] understand why the Democrats don't just let the tax credit expire and let the Republicans get crushed when their constituents see their insurance costs soar!! Please someone explain this to me!

Republicans only care about the wealthy (corporations and people). They'll hold the middle and lower classes hostage to get concessions - corporate welfare or tax breaks. Then the Republicans will turn on their media hype machine to blame Dems for any pain their constituents felt. R constituents will fall for it hook, line, and sinker. Rinse and repeat.

Corporations are against the tariffs, and against Trump's immigration crackdown.