Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To address the question about Heros Green, is it a down year for them? Judging is impossible until the entire recruiting cycle completes itself. It is a new world, and I'm betting you'll see more de-commitments and flips to another school than we've typically seen. I also expect some schools will add to their class late in the cycle when hurt players show themselves on the field.
Having said all that, looking at HG v CB, the approximate average lax rank of the schools the players have committed to is 49.35 HG v 43.6 CB. That's not much of a difference.
Given South Florida and Florida State are starting programs, I assigned them both an equal ranking of 60. HG has two kids going there, and CB has 2 kids going to FSU. I think CB has committed 20 and HG has committed 14. So there's a difference there. If one assumes HG had multiple players out with injuries, then where they ultimately commit will adjust their average.
Looking at the top 12 players for each club (in terms of college lax ranking), HG has an average of 40.74, and CB has an average of 23.83. Kudos to CB.
Consider that two of HG top 12 players are going to South Florida, which has been given an average ranking of 60 for this analysis. I think South Florida will be much better than 60, so take it all with a grain of salt. If we throw out the two USF players and go with the following two players, their top 12 average goes to 44.58.
If you look at the rest of the roster that has committed, you see the average CB commit is about 70 and HG is 92.
For comparison, MD Black's 17 commits overall average is 26, the top 12 is 13.75, and the second group is 53.5.
Before people trash one school v another school, HG has 3 AAC, 5 ACC, 1 ASUN, 3 Big 10, 1 Big East, 1 CAA, 1 Patriot. Capital Blue has 4 ACC, 2 Big 10, 1 Big East, 1 Big South, 1 CAA, 8 Ivy, 3 Patriot.
So what does all this mean? Zip.
Nada, because clubs/teams don't get recruited; players do.
If you are a top player, it probably doesn't matter all that much which top club you play for because you'll have all your options open and only limited by your grades and budget. If you are on the second half of the roster you'll likely have to be more strategic in evaluating college lax vs. college degree vs. budget. AND....that's ok.
To suggest any of these results are bad is brain-dead nonsense.
They've all done exceptionally well. Clearly, Capital "Little Ivy" Blue is the place to be if you want to go to an IVY league school but that's about way more than just lacrosse. Again, thinking that any of these results are bad blows my mind.
I do wonder if Capital Blue requires a pre-SAT score and tax returns as part of its tryout process. (Stop, I'm kidding. Lighten up.)
One more time for the trolls in the back. ALL OF THESE RESULTS ARE CRAZY IMPRESSIVE. To the parents/players who are still available, keep grinding.
This is good work. Nice post.
A quibble on the potential future of the USF program versus FSU. Based on overall resources, sports commitment, and academic breadth, I would place my bets on FSU becoming more relevant, more quickly, and more permanently--similar to Clemson's trajectory--than I would on USF. Guessing 50-60 is fair for both for now. Expect FSU to be top 25 in 2-3 years.
Anonymous wrote:To address the question about Heros Green, is it a down year for them? Judging is impossible until the entire recruiting cycle completes itself. It is a new world, and I'm betting you'll see more de-commitments and flips to another school than we've typically seen. I also expect some schools will add to their class late in the cycle when hurt players show themselves on the field.
Having said all that, looking at HG v CB, the approximate average lax rank of the schools the players have committed to is 49.35 HG v 43.6 CB. That's not much of a difference.
Given South Florida and Florida State are starting programs, I assigned them both an equal ranking of 60. HG has two kids going there, and CB has 2 kids going to FSU. I think CB has committed 20 and HG has committed 14. So there's a difference there. If one assumes HG had multiple players out with injuries, then where they ultimately commit will adjust their average.
Looking at the top 12 players for each club (in terms of college lax ranking), HG has an average of 40.74, and CB has an average of 23.83. Kudos to CB.
Consider that two of HG top 12 players are going to South Florida, which has been given an average ranking of 60 for this analysis. I think South Florida will be much better than 60, so take it all with a grain of salt. If we throw out the two USF players and go with the following two players, their top 12 average goes to 44.58.
If you look at the rest of the roster that has committed, you see the average CB commit is about 70 and HG is 92.
For comparison, MD Black's 17 commits overall average is 26, the top 12 is 13.75, and the second group is 53.5.
Before people trash one school v another school, HG has 3 AAC, 5 ACC, 1 ASUN, 3 Big 10, 1 Big East, 1 CAA, 1 Patriot. Capital Blue has 4 ACC, 2 Big 10, 1 Big East, 1 Big South, 1 CAA, 8 Ivy, 3 Patriot.
So what does all this mean? Zip.
Nada, because clubs/teams don't get recruited; players do.
If you are a top player, it probably doesn't matter all that much which top club you play for because you'll have all your options open and only limited by your grades and budget. If you are on the second half of the roster you'll likely have to be more strategic in evaluating college lax vs. college degree vs. budget. AND....that's ok.
To suggest any of these results are bad is brain-dead nonsense.
They've all done exceptionally well. Clearly, Capital "Little Ivy" Blue is the place to be if you want to go to an IVY league school but that's about way more than just lacrosse. Again, thinking that any of these results are bad blows my mind.
I do wonder if Capital Blue requires a pre-SAT score and tax returns as part of its tryout process. (Stop, I'm kidding. Lighten up.)
One more time for the trolls in the back. ALL OF THESE RESULTS ARE CRAZY IMPRESSIVE. To the parents/players who are still available, keep grinding.
Anonymous wrote:To address the question about Heros Green, is it a down year for them? Judging is impossible until the entire recruiting cycle completes itself. It is a new world, and I'm betting you'll see more de-commitments and flips to another school than we've typically seen. I also expect some schools will add to their class late in the cycle when hurt players show themselves on the field.
Having said all that, looking at HG v CB, the approximate average lax rank of the schools the players have committed to is 49.35 HG v 43.6 CB. That's not much of a difference.
Given South Florida and Florida State are starting programs, I assigned them both an equal ranking of 60. HG has two kids going there, and CB has 2 kids going to FSU. I think CB has committed 20 and HG has committed 14. So there's a difference there. If one assumes HG had multiple players out with injuries, then where they ultimately commit will adjust their average.
Looking at the top 12 players for each club (in terms of college lax ranking), HG has an average of 40.74, and CB has an average of 23.83. Kudos to CB.
Consider that two of HG top 12 players are going to South Florida, which has been given an average ranking of 60 for this analysis. I think South Florida will be much better than 60, so take it all with a grain of salt. If we throw out the two USF players and go with the following two players, their top 12 average goes to 44.58.
If you look at the rest of the roster that has committed, you see the average CB commit is about 70 and HG is 92.
For comparison, MD Black's 17 commits overall average is 26, the top 12 is 13.75, and the second group is 53.5.
Before people trash one school v another school, HG has 3 AAC, 5 ACC, 1 ASUN, 3 Big 10, 1 Big East, 1 CAA, 1 Patriot. Capital Blue has 4 ACC, 2 Big 10, 1 Big East, 1 Big South, 1 CAA, 8 Ivy, 3 Patriot.
So what does all this mean? Zip.
Nada, because clubs/teams don't get recruited; players do.
If you are a top player, it probably doesn't matter all that much which top club you play for because you'll have all your options open and only limited by your grades and budget. If you are on the second half of the roster you'll likely have to be more strategic in evaluating college lax vs. college degree vs. budget. AND....that's ok.
To suggest any of these results are bad is brain-dead nonsense.
They've all done exceptionally well. Clearly, Capital "Little Ivy" Blue is the place to be if you want to go to an IVY league school but that's about way more than just lacrosse. Again, thinking that any of these results are bad blows my mind.
I do wonder if Capital Blue requires a pre-SAT score and tax returns as part of its tryout process. (Stop, I'm kidding. Lighten up.)
One more time for the trolls in the back. ALL OF THESE RESULTS ARE CRAZY IMPRESSIVE. To the parents/players who are still available, keep grinding.
Anonymous wrote:You seem to have a handle on this, any view as to why they're behind and underperforming thus far?Anonymous wrote:To address the question about Heros Green, is it a down year for them? Judging is impossible until the entire recruiting cycle completes itself. It is a new world, and I'm betting you'll see more de-commitments and flips to another school than we've typically seen. I also expect some schools will add to their class late in the cycle when hurt players show themselves on the field.
Having said all that, looking at HG v CB, the approximate average lax rank of the schools the players have committed to is 49.35 HG v 43.6 CB. That's not much of a difference.
Given South Florida and Florida State are starting programs, I assigned them both an equal ranking of 60. HG has two kids going there, and CB has 2 kids going to FSU. I think CB has committed 20 and HG has committed 14. So there's a difference there. If one assumes HG had multiple players out with injuries, then where they ultimately commit will adjust their average.
Looking at the top 12 players for each club (in terms of college lax ranking), HG has an average of 40.74, and CB has an average of 23.83. Kudos to CB.
Consider that two of HG top 12 players are going to South Florida, which has been given an average ranking of 60 for this analysis. I think South Florida will be much better than 60, so take it all with a grain of salt. If we throw out the two USF players and go with the following two players, their top 12 average goes to 44.58.
If you look at the rest of the roster that has committed, you see the average CB commit is about 70 and HG is 92.
For comparison, MD Black's 17 commits overall average is 26, the top 12 is 13.75, and the second group is 53.5.
Before people trash one school v another school, HG has 3 AAC, 5 ACC, 1 ASUN, 3 Big 10, 1 Big East, 1 CAA, 1 Patriot. Capital Blue has 4 ACC, 2 Big 10, 1 Big East, 1 Big South, 1 CAA, 8 Ivy, 3 Patriot.
So what does all this mean? Zip.
Nada, because clubs/teams don't get recruited; players do.
If you are a top player, it probably doesn't matter all that much which top club you play for because you'll have all your options open and only limited by your grades and budget. If you are on the second half of the roster you'll likely have to be more strategic in evaluating college lax vs. college degree vs. budget. AND....that's ok.
To suggest any of these results are bad is brain-dead nonsense.
They've all done exceptionally well. Clearly, Capital "Little Ivy" Blue is the place to be if you want to go to an IVY league school but that's about way more than just lacrosse. Again, thinking that any of these results are bad blows my mind.
I do wonder if Capital Blue requires a pre-SAT score and tax returns as part of its tryout process. (Stop, I'm kidding. Lighten up.)
One more time for the trolls in the back. ALL OF THESE RESULTS ARE CRAZY IMPRESSIVE. To the parents/players who are still available, keep grinding.
thank you, thank you thank you!Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To address the question about Heros Green, is it a down year for them? Judging is impossible until the entire recruiting cycle completes itself. It is a new world, and I'm betting you'll see more de-commitments and flips to another school than we've typically seen. I also expect some schools will add to their class late in the cycle when hurt players show themselves on the field.
Having said all that, looking at HG v CB, the approximate average lax rank of the schools the players have committed to is 49.35 HG v 43.6 CB. That's not much of a difference.
Given South Florida and Florida State are starting programs, I assigned them both an equal ranking of 60. HG has two kids going there, and CB has 2 kids going to FSU. I think CB has committed 20 and HG has committed 14. So there's a difference there. If one assumes HG had multiple players out with injuries, then where they ultimately commit will adjust their average.
Looking at the top 12 players for each club (in terms of college lax ranking), HG has an average of 40.74, and CB has an average of 23.83. Kudos to CB.
Consider that two of HG top 12 players are going to South Florida, which has been given an average ranking of 60 for this analysis. I think South Florida will be much better than 60, so take it all with a grain of salt. If we throw out the two USF players and go with the following two players, their top 12 average goes to 44.58.
If you look at the rest of the roster that has committed, you see the average CB commit is about 70 and HG is 92.
For comparison, MD Black's 17 commits overall average is 26, the top 12 is 13.75, and the second group is 53.5.
Before people trash one school v another school, HG has 3 AAC, 5 ACC, 1 ASUN, 3 Big 10, 1 Big East, 1 CAA, 1 Patriot. Capital Blue has 4 ACC, 2 Big 10, 1 Big East, 1 Big South, 1 CAA, 8 Ivy, 3 Patriot.
So what does all this mean? Zip.
Nada, because clubs/teams don't get recruited; players do.
If you are a top player, it probably doesn't matter all that much which top club you play for because you'll have all your options open and only limited by your grades and budget. If you are on the second half of the roster you'll likely have to be more strategic in evaluating college lax vs. college degree vs. budget. AND....that's ok.
To suggest any of these results are bad is brain-dead nonsense.
They've all done exceptionally well. Clearly, Capital "Little Ivy" Blue is the place to be if you want to go to an IVY league school but that's about way more than just lacrosse. Again, thinking that any of these results are bad blows my mind.
I do wonder if Capital Blue requires a pre-SAT score and tax returns as part of its tryout process. (Stop, I'm kidding. Lighten up.)
One more time for the trolls in the back. ALL OF THESE RESULTS ARE CRAZY IMPRESSIVE. To the parents/players who are still available, keep grinding.
You win the internet today!
You seem to have a handle on this, any view as to why they're behind and underperforming thus far?Anonymous wrote:To address the question about Heros Green, is it a down year for them? Judging is impossible until the entire recruiting cycle completes itself. It is a new world, and I'm betting you'll see more de-commitments and flips to another school than we've typically seen. I also expect some schools will add to their class late in the cycle when hurt players show themselves on the field.
Having said all that, looking at HG v CB, the approximate average lax rank of the schools the players have committed to is 49.35 HG v 43.6 CB. That's not much of a difference.
Given South Florida and Florida State are starting programs, I assigned them both an equal ranking of 60. HG has two kids going there, and CB has 2 kids going to FSU. I think CB has committed 20 and HG has committed 14. So there's a difference there. If one assumes HG had multiple players out with injuries, then where they ultimately commit will adjust their average.
Looking at the top 12 players for each club (in terms of college lax ranking), HG has an average of 40.74, and CB has an average of 23.83. Kudos to CB.
Consider that two of HG top 12 players are going to South Florida, which has been given an average ranking of 60 for this analysis. I think South Florida will be much better than 60, so take it all with a grain of salt. If we throw out the two USF players and go with the following two players, their top 12 average goes to 44.58.
If you look at the rest of the roster that has committed, you see the average CB commit is about 70 and HG is 92.
For comparison, MD Black's 17 commits overall average is 26, the top 12 is 13.75, and the second group is 53.5.
Before people trash one school v another school, HG has 3 AAC, 5 ACC, 1 ASUN, 3 Big 10, 1 Big East, 1 CAA, 1 Patriot. Capital Blue has 4 ACC, 2 Big 10, 1 Big East, 1 Big South, 1 CAA, 8 Ivy, 3 Patriot.
So what does all this mean? Zip.
Nada, because clubs/teams don't get recruited; players do.
If you are a top player, it probably doesn't matter all that much which top club you play for because you'll have all your options open and only limited by your grades and budget. If you are on the second half of the roster you'll likely have to be more strategic in evaluating college lax vs. college degree vs. budget. AND....that's ok.
To suggest any of these results are bad is brain-dead nonsense.
They've all done exceptionally well. Clearly, Capital "Little Ivy" Blue is the place to be if you want to go to an IVY league school but that's about way more than just lacrosse. Again, thinking that any of these results are bad blows my mind.
I do wonder if Capital Blue requires a pre-SAT score and tax returns as part of its tryout process. (Stop, I'm kidding. Lighten up.)
One more time for the trolls in the back. ALL OF THESE RESULTS ARE CRAZY IMPRESSIVE. To the parents/players who are still available, keep grinding.
Anonymous wrote:To address the question about Heros Green, is it a down year for them? Judging is impossible until the entire recruiting cycle completes itself. It is a new world, and I'm betting you'll see more de-commitments and flips to another school than we've typically seen. I also expect some schools will add to their class late in the cycle when hurt players show themselves on the field.
Having said all that, looking at HG v CB, the approximate average lax rank of the schools the players have committed to is 49.35 HG v 43.6 CB. That's not much of a difference.
Given South Florida and Florida State are starting programs, I assigned them both an equal ranking of 60. HG has two kids going there, and CB has 2 kids going to FSU. I think CB has committed 20 and HG has committed 14. So there's a difference there. If one assumes HG had multiple players out with injuries, then where they ultimately commit will adjust their average.
Looking at the top 12 players for each club (in terms of college lax ranking), HG has an average of 40.74, and CB has an average of 23.83. Kudos to CB.
Consider that two of HG top 12 players are going to South Florida, which has been given an average ranking of 60 for this analysis. I think South Florida will be much better than 60, so take it all with a grain of salt. If we throw out the two USF players and go with the following two players, their top 12 average goes to 44.58.
If you look at the rest of the roster that has committed, you see the average CB commit is about 70 and HG is 92.
For comparison, MD Black's 17 commits overall average is 26, the top 12 is 13.75, and the second group is 53.5.
Before people trash one school v another school, HG has 3 AAC, 5 ACC, 1 ASUN, 3 Big 10, 1 Big East, 1 CAA, 1 Patriot. Capital Blue has 4 ACC, 2 Big 10, 1 Big East, 1 Big South, 1 CAA, 8 Ivy, 3 Patriot.
So what does all this mean? Zip.
Nada, because clubs/teams don't get recruited; players do.
If you are a top player, it probably doesn't matter all that much which top club you play for because you'll have all your options open and only limited by your grades and budget. If you are on the second half of the roster you'll likely have to be more strategic in evaluating college lax vs. college degree vs. budget. AND....that's ok.
To suggest any of these results are bad is brain-dead nonsense.
They've all done exceptionally well. Clearly, Capital "Little Ivy" Blue is the place to be if you want to go to an IVY league school but that's about way more than just lacrosse. Again, thinking that any of these results are bad blows my mind.
I do wonder if Capital Blue requires a pre-SAT score and tax returns as part of its tryout process. (Stop, I'm kidding. Lighten up.)
One more time for the trolls in the back. ALL OF THESE RESULTS ARE CRAZY IMPRESSIVE. To the parents/players who are still available, keep grinding.
Anonymous wrote:LMAO. Now Hero's club faces an insurmountable deficit to Capital because "building relationships"? That's rich!Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Oh, you don't have to identify yourself. Well aware by now you're a parent who has seen just your own circumstance, hearsay on others. And of course have heard the club pitch.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nah, I read just fine. If you also believe the college coaches want to take in innumerable contacts from club directors about every player under the sun, you do not understand how it works. The recruiting director's job: help get certain college coaches to a field to see xyz players. After that, the coaches will want to see more of them or not. If yes, they'll ask for certain info about said player, from several sources. For the club's part, just respond and be organized so stuff doesn't fall between the cracks.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You have it backwards. Your "rest of it" is most of it. Getting the college coaches to make it a semi-priority to see the players on the field is their main job. No college coach is taking on ANY of their only 8-10 players because a recruiting director tells them to.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not PP, but saying girls are “underperforming” (especially when maybe been out hurt)- by whatever subjective standard you hold - is, in fact, not respectful.
And the “Maybe I am, maybe not” is weird.
Never said the players were underperforming. The players did everything right - they’re #5 in the country. It’s a reflection of the club’s recruiting capability, not player performance.
I think you may be over estimating Club recruiting as a whole. Everything falls on the kids.
If that’s what your club is telling you, that’s unfortunate. Your club’s recruiting director should be actively communicating with coaches about players during the recruiting season. The number of commits on M&D and Capital isn’t coincidental. As someone who’s been through this process, a lot of it comes down to the relationships the club has with coaches, and how well the club markets each player to the coaches at schools on her dream list. The rest of it (performing at tournaments, grades, scores, etc) falls on the player’s shoulders.
There wasn’t a sequence suggested in the PP so nothing “backwards” about it. Players control what they control (grades, test scores, playing well). Clubs can control what they should control: develop relationships with coaches to promote players, get them to the sidelines, and stay engaged with coaches throughout the entire recruiting process. Capital and M&D both do this and it shows from their recruiting performance.
If a club leaves recruiting to the player and the parents, you should know other clubs are taking an entirely different approach. You don’t have to take my word on it: the recruiting results of the clubs taking an active role speak for themselves.
Nothing goes anywhere if the player can't play. And if they can, college coaches will be very interested regardless of anything outside that player's control.
Cool. I don’t know anything. Just a parent who’s seen it up close. You sound like a delightful person trying to justify a club’s poor recruiting results. Best of luck to ya.
100% that college coaches didn't lay all that out for you.
IDC about any club's recruiting results. BUT, if they can get coaches to the field, they're doing well and you're in good shape.
Of course you care, otherwise you wouldn’t be writing. You just don’t like that this conversation is happening around Hero’s 26 recruiting results. And that’s ok. Keep with the status quo, it seems to be working.