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Anonymous wrote:I disagree that this isn't a traumatizing story. Obviously levels of trauma vary significantly and many many people are able to read (and even laugh ) about it without feeling any personal impact. But this is really tough to know about for "deep feeling" people, and it absolutely has a negative collective impact on mental health.

I hope these people are found and rescued, and that with their billions they will pay back the costs of being rescued from what I agree was entirely a vanity project at now great financial and emotional cost to the public. It's horrifying and I hope they are able to be saved. I can't imagine what their families are going through.

This is the best post and I agree 100%

Some people here should be ashamed of themselves.

The teen on board is especially upsetting.

You're fully welcome to step away, turn the tv off, stop commenting. These people were morons, even the teen. Step away if you're traumatized.

You know these are same people whining about their anxiety constantly. Deep down they crave feeding it.

I hope everyone survives, for their own sake, and so the billionnaire can disinherit his stepson (to the extent he was a beneficiary in the first place).

Anonymous wrote:May I ask a dumb question?

We have pics of the Titanic wreck, so clearly someone has been down there before? How did they live to tell the tale?

Many submersibles have gone down there. Even Titan has gone down before and returned.

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Anonymous wrote:from what I can read we have:

-No safety redundancy
-No safety training for submarine problems
-No systems redundancy
-No backups for tracking
-No "Deadman's switch" that would surface the craft if something went wrong
-No way to track the vessel if the first system failed
-No way of testing hull integrity prior to each dive
-No way of knowing the number of dives each hull can take before it becomes unsafe to operate

It was a failure waiting to happen

I hope the crew is found and can be brought home alive. Can't imagine what their families are going through.

At those depths, none of those things are of any use.

It would be enlightening to see a safety feature comparison between the Titan and the other deep diving submersibles that have made the same trip.

I would love this. - One of the ignoramus PPs who doesn't understand why, e.g., you can't physically connect a submersible to a boat on the surface of the water.

Anonymous wrote:May I ask a dumb question?

We have pics of the Titanic wreck, so clearly someone has been down there before? How did they live to tell the tale?

Those pics were taken with a remote rover.

May I ask a dumb question?

We have pics of the Titanic wreck, so clearly someone has been down there before? How did they live to tell the tale?

I think this is horrifying and hope they are rescued. I especially feel terrible for the teenager. Why on earth his dad would take him along is beyond me.

However. This is yet another incredibly risky/borderline insane thing that well-off people indulge in. Some people find these risks thrilling; me, I think they show how incredibly privileged and sheltered from real dangers they are, that they would actually pursue these risks to feel more alive or whatever. Poor people are at risk from so many actual dangers, while the rich go around seeking danger just smacks of the ultimate decadence.

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Anonymous wrote:All I have to say is that this thread has kept me entertained throughout this dreary rainy day. The orcas and their little net idea is a winner.

I thought the orcas have had enough of human foolishness. Maybe the banging noises is orca humor.

Enjoyed the crane suggestion. Also the hero dolphin suggestion was super cute.

The "tin can" description of the submarine was perfect. Just because the materials came from Boeing does not equate it to be fit for this dangerous, ridiculous voyage.

Wendy Rush, the wife of Stockton Rush, is a descendant of the Ida and Isador Straus. Isador Straus is the founder of Macy’s and he and his wife died aboard the Titanic. I would link the nyt article, but there is a paywall

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Anonymous wrote:I disagree that this isn't a traumatizing story. Obviously levels of trauma vary significantly and many many people are able to read (and even laugh ) about it without feeling any personal impact. But this is really tough to know about for "deep feeling" people, and it absolutely has a negative collective impact on mental health.

I hope these people are found and rescued, and that with their billions they will pay back the costs of being rescued from what I agree was entirely a vanity project at now great financial and emotional cost to the public. It's horrifying and I hope they are able to be saved. I can't imagine what their families are going through.

This is the best post and I agree 100%

Some people here should be ashamed of themselves.

The teen on board is especially upsetting.

You're fully welcome to step away, turn the tv off, stop commenting. These people were morons, even the teen. Step away if you're traumatized.

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I hope these people are found and rescued, and that with their billions they will pay back the costs of being rescued from what I agree was entirely a vanity project at now great financial and emotional cost to the public.

I guess you feel the titanic victims themselves should have been billed for their rescue.

Traveling via a normal mode of transportation is not a vanity project, so no.

I don't care about the cost of this rescue mission. The government wastes so much money on a daily basis, this is a drop in the bucket. It's hard to get excited about this. Our tax dollars are often wasted. So what.

You don't have to get excited about this but on balance I think that it would be better the billionaires to pay for their own search and rescue missions instead of the taxpayers.

I can think of lots of ways to spare taxpayers. This barely registers.

Okay, but I'm not wrong.

Well you are, because they won't be billed.

LOL I am not saying they will be billed.

You've decided that you're right about who should pay and who shouldn't. Who agrees with you? Not the Coast Guard and US Government. So, what exactly are you right about? The government wastes a shit ton of money every day. And you think stopping these rare rescues would make even the slightest difference?

A lot of people agree with me but that isn't even the point, I think that if you sit and think for one minute whether a billionaire--one individual who has a THOUSAND million dollars--should pay for a rescue operation, or if it should be the US government which is financed in large part through working people, you should pick the billionaire.

And in case this wasn't clear, this is just a thought exercise.

Whatever. Get over it.

Who the hell are you again? Oh, right. Nobody.

Just like you. But at least there are better people than you out there who do the right thing and don't make petty decisions because they are jealous of the rich. I'm glad they call the shots and not you.

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I hope these people are found and rescued, and that with their billions they will pay back the costs of being rescued from what I agree was entirely a vanity project at now great financial and emotional cost to the public.

I guess you feel the titanic victims themselves should have been billed for their rescue.

Traveling via a normal mode of transportation is not a vanity project, so no.

I don't care about the cost of this rescue mission. The government wastes so much money on a daily basis, this is a drop in the bucket. It's hard to get excited about this. Our tax dollars are often wasted. So what.

You don't have to get excited about this but on balance I think that it would be better the billionaires to pay for their own search and rescue missions instead of the taxpayers.

I can think of lots of ways to spare taxpayers. This barely registers.

Okay, but I'm not wrong.

Well you are, because they won't be billed.

LOL I am not saying they will be billed.

You've decided that you're right about who should pay and who shouldn't. Who agrees with you? Not the Coast Guard and US Government. So, what exactly are you right about? The government wastes a shit ton of money every day. And you think stopping these rare rescues would make even the slightest difference?

A lot of people agree with me but that isn't even the point, I think that if you sit and think for one minute whether a billionaire--one individual who has a THOUSAND million dollars--should pay for a rescue operation, or if it should be the US government which is financed in large part through working people, you should pick the billionaire.

And in case this wasn't clear, this is just a thought exercise.

Whatever. Get over it.

Who the hell are you again? Oh, right. Nobody.

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I hope these people are found and rescued, and that with their billions they will pay back the costs of being rescued from what I agree was entirely a vanity project at now great financial and emotional cost to the public.

I guess you feel the titanic victims themselves should have been billed for their rescue.

Traveling via a normal mode of transportation is not a vanity project, so no.

As if Titanic was not a vanity project. You are delusional.

Yeah, I’m sure the people crammed into the lower decks and steerage were TOTES out there on a vanity project.

Now you can try to backpedal and claim that you meant only the design/construction of the Titanic that was a vanity project, but as you know, that’s irrelevant, as we’re discussing above not the building of this current “vessel,” but the rich people’s choices to take the trip.

Just hearing all of the safety cut corners, former employees, reports of concerns, the other millionaire who was meant to go today but pulled out and got his deposit back… it's pretty crazy that this dive happened and that the people on board actually signed that waiver, climbed into that tiny thing and went for it. There's thrill seekers and then this - it's a whole other level. All of that previous information about safety was online for the most part as part of reports and former employees. These people either read about it and made peace with the risk or didn't due their due diligence and went in with blinders on. Either way, this story is nuts. I haven't watch the news this much in years.

Anonymous wrote:I disagree that this isn't a traumatizing story. Obviously levels of trauma vary significantly and many many people are able to read (and even laugh ) about it without feeling any personal impact. But this is really tough to know about for "deep feeling" people, and it absolutely has a negative collective impact on mental health.

I hope these people are found and rescued, and that with their billions they will pay back the costs of being rescued from what I agree was entirely a vanity project at now great financial and emotional cost to the public. It's horrifying and I hope they are able to be saved. I can't imagine what their families are going through.

This is the best post and I agree 100%

Some people here should be ashamed of themselves.

The teen on board is especially upsetting.