Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand what Tom's next move is now though I see he was up all night perhaps contemplating it. Does he go all in with Kendall now? Both of them know the other will work against them now for their own good. Does Shiv also need to fess up and go back with Kendall because Tom will tell on her anyway, otherwise?
It's a very tangled web. I believe that next week's episode is one that the showrunner said was the most surprising of the series, so be careful.
I'm still waiting for Kendall's murder secret to come out by one of the siblings.
Does anyone really understand what Geri was threatening re her many millions of dollars demands of Roman? Something about not contradicting her story or she would release the pictures - what will her story be? I wondered if maybe the pressure will get to Roman and he turns suicidal, though that doesn't really fit his character up until this point. I'm not really sure where his arc is going though.
Gerri is quitting and she will have reputation managers watching what is said/implied about in online or in gossip circles. The Roys are masters at destroying people through the press or whisper campaigns. She is not going to make up with Roman ever. If any rumours come out about her, she will destroy Roman and the company with what she has and what she knows.
Kendall, Roman, Shiv, and even Tom have thrown away their allies and all are realizing they are on their own. Kendall seems to be handling this but we know how erratic he is.
I wondered if Tom would commit suicide. He wants Shiv to know that he did love her and he has absolutely nothing now. I think that whatever it is that is shocking will be related to Tom or Greg.
Roman has been throwing major red flags the last few episodes. I think if anyone is offing themselves, it's him.
Tom will lose everything including money. He will have nothing. The Roy kids will still be outrageously wealthy. If everything blows up, ie the deal and maybe a criminal investigation, I could see either Kendall or Roman considering it.
Tom literally knows where all the bodies are buried on the cruise line crimes/payoff. I don't think Tom ends up running Waystar, but I don't think he ends up throwing himself off a building.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand what Tom's next move is now though I see he was up all night perhaps contemplating it. Does he go all in with Kendall now? Both of them know the other will work against them now for their own good. Does Shiv also need to fess up and go back with Kendall because Tom will tell on her anyway, otherwise?
It's a very tangled web. I believe that next week's episode is one that the showrunner said was the most surprising of the series, so be careful.
I'm still waiting for Kendall's murder secret to come out by one of the siblings.
Does anyone really understand what Geri was threatening re her many millions of dollars demands of Roman? Something about not contradicting her story or she would release the pictures - what will her story be? I wondered if maybe the pressure will get to Roman and he turns suicidal, though that doesn't really fit his character up until this point. I'm not really sure where his arc is going though.
Gerri is quitting and she will have reputation managers watching what is said/implied about in online or in gossip circles. The Roys are masters at destroying people through the press or whisper campaigns. She is not going to make up with Roman ever. If any rumours come out about her, she will destroy Roman and the company with what she has and what she knows.
Kendall, Roman, Shiv, and even Tom have thrown away their allies and all are realizing they are on their own. Kendall seems to be handling this but we know how erratic he is.
I wondered if Tom would commit suicide. He wants Shiv to know that he did love her and he has absolutely nothing now. I think that whatever it is that is shocking will be related to Tom or Greg.
Roman has been throwing major red flags the last few episodes. I think if anyone is offing themselves, it's him.
Tom will lose everything including money. He will have nothing. The Roy kids will still be outrageously wealthy. If everything blows up, ie the deal and maybe a criminal investigation, I could see either Kendall or Roman considering it.
Tom literally knows where all the bodies are buried on the cruise line crimes/payoff. I don't think Tom ends up running Waystar, but I don't think he ends up throwing himself off a building.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ugh, tonights episode was really hard to watch. Not really even any surprises, just one miserable turn of events after another. Thoughts:
- Willa is the only character I genuinely like, and Connor saying that there was only one person in that room who genuinely believes in/cares about (can't remember which) him, and he was going to listen to her? One of the smartest things anyone has ever said on the show.
- I don't think Shiv and Tom can come back from that and now very curious to see what happens with the pregnancy.
- Roman is scaring me right now so the idea of him giving the eulogy is, uh, bad.
- I hate that Kendall started to seem kind of smart by the end of the episode again. I'm not rooting for Matsson, who also sucks, but if he stumbles into some huge win (Wayco acquiring Gojo) despite himself, I'm going to be so annoyed. So now I think this is probably what happens.
- Go Gerri! She can join Willa on the "not total trash" team. I like that she put Romans balls in a vise and started turning the crank. Perfect.
I was so pissed at Roman for insulting Willa in front of Connor and had major respect for Connor's character for his reaction. Roman sucks, Kendall sucks for being such a loser father and douche of an ex-husband, and Shiv is such a jerk to Tom (who sucks in his own way too).
It's crazy that of the four of them, Connor is the one who is turning out to have the most maturity and good sense when it comes to relationships.
Though in retrospect it kind of makes sense, because Connor is the only one of the four who ever seemed to understand on any level that (1) Logan was never going to give him the love or approval he craves, and (2) so you might as well just enjoy the money. At the beginning of the show, he's just off living on his big ranch out West away from all the Waystar craziness. He gets drawn in a bit in the second season, but ultimately still decides to go do his own thing and run for president. I mean, it's ridiculous and he's ridiculous, but it's also perversely admirable that he's just like "I'm really rich and my family sucks -- I'm just going to please myself." So he does. Good for him.
I also loved that Willa told him to stay in the race and the reasoning she gave him because it's so sensible. He came all this way and spent all this money, might as well see what happens, plus Menken is awful ("all my friends and family hate him") so eff that guy, and who the heck wants to go live in Oman when you are rich enough to live somewhere you actually want? Like why take a 3rd rate diplomatic posting when you could just go buy a really nice apartment in London or Paris or Berlin tomorrow and just live there without having to work? Willa is smarter than any of them.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand what Tom's next move is now though I see he was up all night perhaps contemplating it. Does he go all in with Kendall now? Both of them know the other will work against them now for their own good. Does Shiv also need to fess up and go back with Kendall because Tom will tell on her anyway, otherwise?
It's a very tangled web. I believe that next week's episode is one that the showrunner said was the most surprising of the series, so be careful.
I'm still waiting for Kendall's murder secret to come out by one of the siblings.
Does anyone really understand what Geri was threatening re her many millions of dollars demands of Roman? Something about not contradicting her story or she would release the pictures - what will her story be? I wondered if maybe the pressure will get to Roman and he turns suicidal, though that doesn't really fit his character up until this point. I'm not really sure where his arc is going though.
Gerri is quitting and she will have reputation managers watching what is said/implied about in online or in gossip circles. The Roys are masters at destroying people through the press or whisper campaigns. She is not going to make up with Roman ever. If any rumours come out about her, she will destroy Roman and the company with what she has and what she knows.
Kendall, Roman, Shiv, and even Tom have thrown away their allies and all are realizing they are on their own. Kendall seems to be handling this but we know how erratic he is.
I wondered if Tom would commit suicide. He wants Shiv to know that he did love her and he has absolutely nothing now. I think that whatever it is that is shocking will be related to Tom or Greg.
Roman has been throwing major red flags the last few episodes. I think if anyone is offing themselves, it's him.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand what Tom's next move is now though I see he was up all night perhaps contemplating it. Does he go all in with Kendall now? Both of them know the other will work against them now for their own good. Does Shiv also need to fess up and go back with Kendall because Tom will tell on her anyway, otherwise?
It's a very tangled web. I believe that next week's episode is one that the showrunner said was the most surprising of the series, so be careful.
I'm still waiting for Kendall's murder secret to come out by one of the siblings.
Does anyone really understand what Geri was threatening re her many millions of dollars demands of Roman? Something about not contradicting her story or she would release the pictures - what will her story be? I wondered if maybe the pressure will get to Roman and he turns suicidal, though that doesn't really fit his character up until this point. I'm not really sure where his arc is going though.
Gerri is quitting and she will have reputation managers watching what is said/implied about in online or in gossip circles. The Roys are masters at destroying people through the press or whisper campaigns. She is not going to make up with Roman ever. If any rumours come out about her, she will destroy Roman and the company with what she has and what she knows.
Kendall, Roman, Shiv, and even Tom have thrown away their allies and all are realizing they are on their own. Kendall seems to be handling this but we know how erratic he is.
I wondered if Tom would commit suicide. He wants Shiv to know that he did love her and he has absolutely nothing now. I think that whatever it is that is shocking will be related to Tom or Greg.
Roman has been throwing major red flags the last few episodes. I think if anyone is offing themselves, it's him.
Tom will lose everything including money. He will have nothing. The Roy kids will still be outrageously wealthy. If everything blows up, ie the deal and maybe a criminal investigation, I could see either Kendall or Roman considering it.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand what Tom's next move is now though I see he was up all night perhaps contemplating it. Does he go all in with Kendall now? Both of them know the other will work against them now for their own good. Does Shiv also need to fess up and go back with Kendall because Tom will tell on her anyway, otherwise?
It's a very tangled web. I believe that next week's episode is one that the showrunner said was the most surprising of the series, so be careful.
I'm still waiting for Kendall's murder secret to come out by one of the siblings.
Does anyone really understand what Geri was threatening re her many millions of dollars demands of Roman? Something about not contradicting her story or she would release the pictures - what will her story be? I wondered if maybe the pressure will get to Roman and he turns suicidal, though that doesn't really fit his character up until this point. I'm not really sure where his arc is going though.
Gerri is quitting and she will have reputation managers watching what is said/implied about in online or in gossip circles. The Roys are masters at destroying people through the press or whisper campaigns. She is not going to make up with Roman ever. If any rumours come out about her, she will destroy Roman and the company with what she has and what she knows.
Kendall, Roman, Shiv, and even Tom have thrown away their allies and all are realizing they are on their own. Kendall seems to be handling this but we know how erratic he is.
I wondered if Tom would commit suicide. He wants Shiv to know that he did love her and he has absolutely nothing now. I think that whatever it is that is shocking will be related to Tom or Greg.
Roman has been throwing major red flags the last few episodes. I think if anyone is offing themselves, it's him.
Tom will lose everything including money. He will have nothing. The Roy kids will still be outrageously wealthy. If everything blows up, ie the deal and maybe a criminal investigation, I could see either Kendall or Roman considering it.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand what Tom's next move is now though I see he was up all night perhaps contemplating it. Does he go all in with Kendall now? Both of them know the other will work against them now for their own good. Does Shiv also need to fess up and go back with Kendall because Tom will tell on her anyway, otherwise?
It's a very tangled web. I believe that next week's episode is one that the showrunner said was the most surprising of the series, so be careful.
I'm still waiting for Kendall's murder secret to come out by one of the siblings.
Does anyone really understand what Geri was threatening re her many millions of dollars demands of Roman? Something about not contradicting her story or she would release the pictures - what will her story be? I wondered if maybe the pressure will get to Roman and he turns suicidal, though that doesn't really fit his character up until this point. I'm not really sure where his arc is going though.
Gerri is quitting and she will have reputation managers watching what is said/implied about in online or in gossip circles. The Roys are masters at destroying people through the press or whisper campaigns. She is not going to make up with Roman ever. If any rumours come out about her, she will destroy Roman and the company with what she has and what she knows.
Kendall, Roman, Shiv, and even Tom have thrown away their allies and all are realizing they are on their own. Kendall seems to be handling this but we know how erratic he is.
I wondered if Tom would commit suicide. He wants Shiv to know that he did love her and he has absolutely nothing now. I think that whatever it is that is shocking will be related to Tom or Greg.
Roman has been throwing major red flags the last few episodes. I think if anyone is offing themselves, it's him.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand what Tom's next move is now though I see he was up all night perhaps contemplating it. Does he go all in with Kendall now? Both of them know the other will work against them now for their own good. Does Shiv also need to fess up and go back with Kendall because Tom will tell on her anyway, otherwise?
It's a very tangled web. I believe that next week's episode is one that the showrunner said was the most surprising of the series, so be careful.
I'm still waiting for Kendall's murder secret to come out by one of the siblings.
Does anyone really understand what Geri was threatening re her many millions of dollars demands of Roman? Something about not contradicting her story or she would release the pictures - what will her story be? I wondered if maybe the pressure will get to Roman and he turns suicidal, though that doesn't really fit his character up until this point. I'm not really sure where his arc is going though.
Gerri is quitting and she will have reputation managers watching what is said/implied about in online or in gossip circles. The Roys are masters at destroying people through the press or whisper campaigns. She is not going to make up with Roman ever. If any rumours come out about her, she will destroy Roman and the company with what she has and what she knows.
Kendall, Roman, Shiv, and even Tom have thrown away their allies and all are realizing they are on their own. Kendall seems to be handling this but we know how erratic he is.
I wondered if Tom would commit suicide. He wants Shiv to know that he did love her and he has absolutely nothing now. I think that whatever it is that is shocking will be related to Tom or Greg.
Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand what Tom's next move is now though I see he was up all night perhaps contemplating it. Does he go all in with Kendall now? Both of them know the other will work against them now for their own good. Does Shiv also need to fess up and go back with Kendall because Tom will tell on her anyway, otherwise?
It's a very tangled web. I believe that next week's episode is one that the showrunner said was the most surprising of the series, so be careful.
I'm still waiting for Kendall's murder secret to come out by one of the siblings.
Does anyone really understand what Geri was threatening re her many millions of dollars demands of Roman? Something about not contradicting her story or she would release the pictures - what will her story be? I wondered if maybe the pressure will get to Roman and he turns suicidal, though that doesn't really fit his character up until this point. I'm not really sure where his arc is going though.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ugh, tonights episode was really hard to watch. Not really even any surprises, just one miserable turn of events after another. Thoughts:
- Willa is the only character I genuinely like, and Connor saying that there was only one person in that room who genuinely believes in/cares about (can't remember which) him, and he was going to listen to her? One of the smartest things anyone has ever said on the show.
- I don't think Shiv and Tom can come back from that and now very curious to see what happens with the pregnancy.
- Roman is scaring me right now so the idea of him giving the eulogy is, uh, bad.
- I hate that Kendall started to seem kind of smart by the end of the episode again. I'm not rooting for Matsson, who also sucks, but if he stumbles into some huge win (Wayco acquiring Gojo) despite himself, I'm going to be so annoyed. So now I think this is probably what happens.
- Go Gerri! She can join Willa on the "not total trash" team. I like that she put Romans balls in a vise and started turning the crank. Perfect.
I was so pissed at Roman for insulting Willa in front of Connor and had major respect for Connor's character for his reaction. Roman sucks, Kendall sucks for being such a loser father and douche of an ex-husband, and Shiv is such a jerk to Tom (who sucks in his own way too).
It's crazy that of the four of them, Connor is the one who is turning out to have the most maturity and good sense when it comes to relationships.
Though in retrospect it kind of makes sense, because Connor is the only one of the four who ever seemed to understand on any level that (1) Logan was never going to give him the love or approval he craves, and (2) so you might as well just enjoy the money. At the beginning of the show, he's just off living on his big ranch out West away from all the Waystar craziness. He gets drawn in a bit in the second season, but ultimately still decides to go do his own thing and run for president. I mean, it's ridiculous and he's ridiculous, but it's also perversely admirable that he's just like "I'm really rich and my family sucks -- I'm just going to please myself." So he does. Good for him.
I also loved that Willa told him to stay in the race and the reasoning she gave him because it's so sensible. He came all this way and spent all this money, might as well see what happens, plus Menken is awful ("all my friends and family hate him") so eff that guy, and who the heck wants to go live in Oman when you are rich enough to live somewhere you actually want? Like why take a 3rd rate diplomatic posting when you could just go buy a really nice apartment in London or Paris or Berlin tomorrow and just live there without having to work? Willa is smarter than any of them.
I never understood how he ended up with her. She was an escort or something like that and everyone was embarrassed by her. He's reasonably attractive, has tons of money so he wouldn't need an escort. That never made sense to me.
I think you give Connor too much credit. Connor has always been presented as an idiot who was so sheltered and coddled that he doesn't understand basic social etiquette. The family is embarrassed by him, and he used his money to live out the plot of Pretty Woman so he could earn a seat at the big kid's table. And I say this as someone who loves Connor.
+1. I've been re-watching previous seasons with my daughter and it's emphasized many times that Connor is a real weirdo/fail son. And he's largely accepted that. When he brings Willa to Logan's birthday they all know she's an escort and Marcia is taken aback/dismissive - "He rents a room. He rents a girl." When they go out to his ranch the siblings learn that Connor adopted some sick old dog from someone, but could bear to put it down so he pays some rando in the bar to take it. When he tells his siblings he's engaged to Willa they are surprised, congratulate him, and then in the course of their conversation tell him he won't do better than Willa.
Roman was trying to pull the Logan flex with Connor, just like Kendall tried with Nate, and Shiv tried with Tom. And it didn't work for any of them.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ugh, tonights episode was really hard to watch. Not really even any surprises, just one miserable turn of events after another. Thoughts:
- Willa is the only character I genuinely like, and Connor saying that there was only one person in that room who genuinely believes in/cares about (can't remember which) him, and he was going to listen to her? One of the smartest things anyone has ever said on the show.
- I don't think Shiv and Tom can come back from that and now very curious to see what happens with the pregnancy.
- Roman is scaring me right now so the idea of him giving the eulogy is, uh, bad.
- I hate that Kendall started to seem kind of smart by the end of the episode again. I'm not rooting for Matsson, who also sucks, but if he stumbles into some huge win (Wayco acquiring Gojo) despite himself, I'm going to be so annoyed. So now I think this is probably what happens.
- Go Gerri! She can join Willa on the "not total trash" team. I like that she put Romans balls in a vise and started turning the crank. Perfect.
I was so pissed at Roman for insulting Willa in front of Connor and had major respect for Connor's character for his reaction. Roman sucks, Kendall sucks for being such a loser father and douche of an ex-husband, and Shiv is such a jerk to Tom (who sucks in his own way too).
It's crazy that of the four of them, Connor is the one who is turning out to have the most maturity and good sense when it comes to relationships.
Though in retrospect it kind of makes sense, because Connor is the only one of the four who ever seemed to understand on any level that (1) Logan was never going to give him the love or approval he craves, and (2) so you might as well just enjoy the money. At the beginning of the show, he's just off living on his big ranch out West away from all the Waystar craziness. He gets drawn in a bit in the second season, but ultimately still decides to go do his own thing and run for president. I mean, it's ridiculous and he's ridiculous, but it's also perversely admirable that he's just like "I'm really rich and my family sucks -- I'm just going to please myself." So he does. Good for him.
I also loved that Willa told him to stay in the race and the reasoning she gave him because it's so sensible. He came all this way and spent all this money, might as well see what happens, plus Menken is awful ("all my friends and family hate him") so eff that guy, and who the heck wants to go live in Oman when you are rich enough to live somewhere you actually want? Like why take a 3rd rate diplomatic posting when you could just go buy a really nice apartment in London or Paris or Berlin tomorrow and just live there without having to work? Willa is smarter than any of them.
I never understood how he ended up with her. She was an escort or something like that and everyone was embarrassed by her. He's reasonably attractive, has tons of money so he wouldn't need an escort. That never made sense to me.
I think you give Connor too much credit. Connor has always been presented as an idiot who was so sheltered and coddled that he doesn't understand basic social etiquette. The family is embarrassed by him, and he used his money to live out the plot of Pretty Woman so he could earn a seat at the big kid's table. And I say this as someone who loves Connor.
Anonymous wrote: Kendall may be “sober” but he still has all the character traits of an addict/ is a dry drunk. .