Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 15:07     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

No, he doesn’t. He means here.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 14:51     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You know what is funny?
99% of WW2 information is still classified.
That is why we still only see the same 10-20 pictures of d-day. All the pictures soldiers took, army press corp etc were collected and classified to this day.

One thing that was declassified recently was the general Montgomery thing and why the US bashed his caution all the time. He was on direct orders from Churchill to save all British troops for the next phase of the war.
Yup, fighting Russia.
While the US did not go for it there is no shortage of plans from long ago that war with Russia is inevitable; and (from what little we know) UK and Europe still plan for it. They won’t stop using Ukraine as a proxy anytime soon; this is the best investment the west can make.

US won’t stop because it is a great test of our weapons for war with China.


No not really.

We are giving away really old crap for the most part

M113 APCs? Literally Vietnam era;

Hawk ground to air missiles? Used in the Cuban missile crisis;

Patriot? Developed for Desert Storm in the 1990s.

Even the M-1 main battle tank and F-16s we are giving them are very outdated tech.

War with China won’t rely on any U.S. tanks at all. It will be about subs, missiles, and aircraft carriers.


The PP was talking about it's classified in Russia, not the US. Sometimes they get confused when they post.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 14:46     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:You know what is funny?
99% of WW2 information is still classified.
That is why we still only see the same 10-20 pictures of d-day. All the pictures soldiers took, army press corp etc were collected and classified to this day.

One thing that was declassified recently was the general Montgomery thing and why the US bashed his caution all the time. He was on direct orders from Churchill to save all British troops for the next phase of the war.
Yup, fighting Russia.
While the US did not go for it there is no shortage of plans from long ago that war with Russia is inevitable; and (from what little we know) UK and Europe still plan for it. They won’t stop using Ukraine as a proxy anytime soon; this is the best investment the west can make.

US won’t stop because it is a great test of our weapons for war with China.


No not really.

We are giving away really old crap for the most part

M113 APCs? Literally Vietnam era;

Hawk ground to air missiles? Used in the Cuban missile crisis;

Patriot? Developed for Desert Storm in the 1990s.

Even the M-1 main battle tank and F-16s we are giving them are very outdated tech.

War with China won’t rely on any U.S. tanks at all. It will be about subs, missiles, and aircraft carriers.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 11:58     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

You know what is funny?
99% of WW2 information is still classified.
That is why we still only see the same 10-20 pictures of d-day. All the pictures soldiers took, army press corp etc were collected and classified to this day.

One thing that was declassified recently was the general Montgomery thing and why the US bashed his caution all the time. He was on direct orders from Churchill to save all British troops for the next phase of the war.
Yup, fighting Russia.
While the US did not go for it there is no shortage of plans from long ago that war with Russia is inevitable; and (from what little we know) UK and Europe still plan for it. They won’t stop using Ukraine as a proxy anytime soon; this is the best investment the west can make.

US won’t stop because it is a great test of our weapons for war with China.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 10:54     Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ukraine may have as little as five months to show some gains before the west pulls the plug according to reporting by the Financial Times.

RT summary to get around paywall https://www.rt.com/news/576536-ukraine-five-months-impress-us/

Probably a good time to start that spring offensive.


Not interested in anything a Russian mouthpiece like RT has to say.


You can read the original.

https://www.ft.com/content/bf182b8d-8f0b-4f73-b49a-ab79fa59bdb6


Ukraine’s allies fear military support for its battle against Russia is nearing a peak, with senior European officials increasingly concerned about the flow of aid next year as the US enters a divisive presidential campaign.

Washington has been Ukraine’s dominant source of weaponry and US officials say sufficient preapproved funds remain to sustain Kyiv for about five more months, covering a crucial counter-offensive planned for the coming weeks.

But European allies are increasingly uncertain about whether the US will come close to matching its existing $48bn package, adopted in 2022, particularly as it requires a vote in Congress this autumn against the backdrop of more partisan debate on the war.

“No one knows,” said a European official, one of 10 senior figures in countries allied with Ukraine who spoke to the Financial Times about the next phase of the war. “We can’t keep the same level of assistance forever,” the senior official added, arguing the current rate of support could be sustained for a year or possibly two but not more.

US president Joe Biden, who has cast the war in Ukraine as a strategic defeat for Russia, has given no indication he intends to reduce support. But he is preparing for a re-election campaign with Donald Trump, a critic of open-ended US backing for the war, his most likely Republican rival in the 2024 race.

...

Trump declined to say whether he wanted Ukraine to prevail in the war during a CNN town hall last week. He went on to demand Europe step up contributions and said he would arrange talks between Russia’s leader Vladimir Putin and Ukraine’s president Volodymyr Zelenskyy to rapidly end the conflict.

“What Donald Trump says has a lot of impact on how difficult this issue becomes in Congress,” said US Democratic Senator Chris Murphy, a member of the Senate foreign relations committee. “His position on Ukraine funding will have a lot to do with what happens if we need to reauthorise support.”

Some allies in regular contact with the US over Ukraine say Washington sees the next five months as critical to the outcome of the conflict and the last real chance for Kyiv to change the situation on the ground.

With polling showing US support for Ukraine waning, some European allies say the Biden administration is under pressure to show that tens of billions of dollars in assistance have made a significant impact on the battlefield.

“It is important for America to sell this war as a successful one, also for domestic purposes to prove that all of those aid packages have been successful in terms of Ukrainian advances,” a second European official said.

Some of the officials pointed to the UN General Assembly and G20 leaders’ summit taking place consecutively in early September as two crucial diplomatic events where both sides would come under large pressure to come to the table.

“If we get to September and Ukraine has not made significant gains, then the international pressure on [the west] to bring them to negotiations will be enormous,” said one of the officials on condition of anonymity. “The same is true for Russia if the counter-offensive leaves them routed.”

But western officials are also hopeful that Ukraine’s counter-offensive, backed by unprecedented supplies of Nato-standard weapons, will deliver major gains that they could force Putin to negotiate peace terms of some form.

Some Biden administration officials see that as Kyiv’s opportunity to open talks. “The message [to Kyiv] is basically that this is the best you’re going to get,” said another European official, referring to the level of western military support. “There’s no more flexibility in the US budget to keep writing cheques, and European arms factories are running at full capacity.”

Biden administration officials say the US has demonstrated widespread bipartisan support for Ukraine and that future assistance should not be in doubt. They pointed to recent comments by House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy who said he supports assistance for Ukraine and “will continue to support [it].” However, he has previously said there will be “no blank cheque” for aid to Ukraine.

Germany, France and the UK all made significant contributions to Ukraine this week during surprise visits by Zelenskyy. But the US plays a vital role in setting the scale and tempo of contributions.

Diplomats have begun looking at how the political calendar in the US may affect the timing of decisions on Ukraine, especially given Washington will host a Nato summit in the summer of 2024, months before the presidential elections.

US military assessments say Ukraine is unlikely to be able to achieve all its political goals on the battlefield this year, even if it does make gains during the counteroffensive. Ukrainian and European officials also acknowledge this view privately.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 10:47     Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The war will end when Russia is crushed and Putin is removed from power. We must give them whatever they need to do so. Anything else will just prolong Putin’s aggression toward Ukraine or other states. There is no appeasement, there is no way for a truce.


You are very naive if you think that it is one person war. There is a huge conglomerate behind Putin that will continue his work. Additionally, Putin can remain in power for another 15 years.


Nope. He doesn't have the health to sit for another 15 years. And the longer this war drags on, the more of a liability it become for him, and the more power he loses.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 10:46     Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine may have as little as five months to show some gains before the west pulls the plug according to reporting by the Financial Times.

RT summary to get around paywall https://www.rt.com/news/576536-ukraine-five-months-impress-us/

Probably a good time to start that spring offensive.


Not interested in anything a Russian mouthpiece like RT has to say.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 09:56     Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:The war will end when Russia is crushed and Putin is removed from power. We must give them whatever they need to do so. Anything else will just prolong Putin’s aggression toward Ukraine or other states. There is no appeasement, there is no way for a truce.


You are very naive if you think that it is one person war. There is a huge conglomerate behind Putin that will continue his work. Additionally, Putin can remain in power for another 15 years.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 09:52     Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Ukraine may have as little as five months to show some gains before the west pulls the plug according to reporting by the Financial Times.

RT summary to get around paywall https://www.rt.com/news/576536-ukraine-five-months-impress-us/

Probably a good time to start that spring offensive.
Anonymous
Post 05/19/2023 00:50     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
And of course the Kyiv Independent reports on things from Ukraine which does have freedom of speech, with the notable exception of information relating to their troop movements etc.
https://kyivindependent.com/


Sigh. Kyiv Independent is funded by the government of Canada and the EU's equivalent of NED. It is anything but independent because it services a particular point of view, and no others. Please learn that there is no editorial independence with donor funding.


Wait - CANADA ?!? OH NOES! Not THEM!!!!

I mean, who knows what kind of crazy, radical ideas those, those, CANADIANS are forcing on to the gullible, stupid, easily-manipulated Kholkhols in Kiev ???



Try harder comrade Trollski. You’re slipping.


Wow, using ethnic slurs AND misspelling them?


The only ones using that ethnic slur are Russians, who have numerous demeaning and dehumanizing slurs for Ukrainians.

But, what else would you expect from people supporting a leader who’s been indicted for war crimes, and launched unprovoked attacked on several peaceful neighbors ?


My expectations for you are to a) avoid ethnic slurs, and b) become a better speller. Both are wholly within your control.
Anonymous
Post 05/18/2023 22:37     Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:If Russia does pull out, I'm sure the Ukrainians will request a NATO defense line established between them and Russia. NATO is a defensive alliance, so wouldn't enter Russian territory (unless Russia uses nuclear weapons - at that point all bets are off). The problem is the Russian Government doesn't seem to want to stop the war or make peace?

{I can't post the quote - the DCUMS filter will block it}
https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/03/19/russian-propagandists-turn-on-pro-western-traitors?utm_medium=cpc.adword.pd&utm_source=google&ppccampaignID=18151738051&ppcadID=&utm_campaign=a.22brand_pmax&utm_content=conversion.direct-response.anonymous&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIkJ2z8P___gIVgfHjBx2mwQlzEAMYASAAEgJ2LPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Skabeyeva: "any freezing of the situation is in any case a respite for the Ukrainian army. There is a feeling that we have a window of opportunity now, when we can achieve our goals"
"we must act now"
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1659256719652921354

"In wartime, all alarmists are executed on the spot."
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en

Scroll down and you can see an interesting discussion about who will fight after nuclear strikes on the major European cities. Scroll down further to 10:55 AM · May 18, 2023 and you'll see this:

"The State Duma has called for clarity on who should be listed as traitors or enemies of the people. The matter is that the deputy speaker of the state duma, Vyacheslav Davankov, has called on the Interior Ministry to give an official comment, to clarify what this combination of yellow and blue colors in clothing is. Whether it is an offense, a crime in terms of the law or not. What was the occasion? The reason for this appeal was in the case of Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, where the headmistress of the school complained to the police about the mother of a pupil. These pictures show the girl coming to class with yellow and blue strands in her hair braids. Investigators went to the hairstylist, the child's family, the school, and checked everything. As a result of this inspection, it was reported that it was not a crime."
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1659211038573867015?cxt=HHwWjsDRmcLp2YYuAAAA

Think about this folks. The State Duma and Interior Ministry (equivalent to the FBI) are trying to determine that a schoolgirl is a traitor for having blue and yellow colored braided hair.

I believe the process of mass paranoia and mass psychosis has begun. I believe that within two years you will likely not be able to recognize Russia anymore.


I already can't recognize Russia from 10 years ago.
Anonymous
Post 05/18/2023 22:34     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
And of course the Kyiv Independent reports on things from Ukraine which does have freedom of speech, with the notable exception of information relating to their troop movements etc.
https://kyivindependent.com/


Sigh. Kyiv Independent is funded by the government of Canada and the EU's equivalent of NED. It is anything but independent because it services a particular point of view, and no others. Please learn that there is no editorial independence with donor funding.


Wait - CANADA ?!? OH NOES! Not THEM!!!!

I mean, who knows what kind of crazy, radical ideas those, those, CANADIANS are forcing on to the gullible, stupid, easily-manipulated Kholkhols in Kiev ???



Try harder comrade Trollski. You’re slipping.


Wow, using ethnic slurs AND misspelling them?


The only ones using that ethnic slur are Russians, who have numerous demeaning and dehumanizing slurs for Ukrainians.

But, what else would you expect from people supporting a leader who’s been indicted for war crimes, and launched unprovoked attacked on several peaceful neighbors ?
Anonymous
Post 05/18/2023 20:03     Subject: Re:Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

If Russia does pull out, I'm sure the Ukrainians will request a NATO defense line established between them and Russia. NATO is a defensive alliance, so wouldn't enter Russian territory (unless Russia uses nuclear weapons - at that point all bets are off). The problem is the Russian Government doesn't seem to want to stop the war or make peace?

{I can't post the quote - the DCUMS filter will block it}
https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/03/19/russian-propagandists-turn-on-pro-western-traitors?utm_medium=cpc.adword.pd&utm_source=google&ppccampaignID=18151738051&ppcadID=&utm_campaign=a.22brand_pmax&utm_content=conversion.direct-response.anonymous&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIkJ2z8P___gIVgfHjBx2mwQlzEAMYASAAEgJ2LPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Skabeyeva: "any freezing of the situation is in any case a respite for the Ukrainian army. There is a feeling that we have a window of opportunity now, when we can achieve our goals"
"we must act now"
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1659256719652921354

"In wartime, all alarmists are executed on the spot."
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en

Scroll down and you can see an interesting discussion about who will fight after nuclear strikes on the major European cities. Scroll down further to 10:55 AM · May 18, 2023 and you'll see this:

"The State Duma has called for clarity on who should be listed as traitors or enemies of the people. The matter is that the deputy speaker of the state duma, Vyacheslav Davankov, has called on the Interior Ministry to give an official comment, to clarify what this combination of yellow and blue colors in clothing is. Whether it is an offense, a crime in terms of the law or not. What was the occasion? The reason for this appeal was in the case of Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, where the headmistress of the school complained to the police about the mother of a pupil. These pictures show the girl coming to class with yellow and blue strands in her hair braids. Investigators went to the hairstylist, the child's family, the school, and checked everything. As a result of this inspection, it was reported that it was not a crime."
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1659211038573867015?cxt=HHwWjsDRmcLp2YYuAAAA

Think about this folks. The State Duma and Interior Ministry (equivalent to the FBI) are trying to determine that a schoolgirl is a traitor for having blue and yellow colored braided hair.

I believe the process of mass paranoia and mass psychosis has begun. I believe that within two years you will likely not be able to recognize Russia anymore.
Anonymous
Post 05/18/2023 16:59     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
And of course the Kyiv Independent reports on things from Ukraine which does have freedom of speech, with the notable exception of information relating to their troop movements etc.
https://kyivindependent.com/


Sigh. Kyiv Independent is funded by the government of Canada and the EU's equivalent of NED. It is anything but independent because it services a particular point of view, and no others. Please learn that there is no editorial independence with donor funding.


Wait - CANADA ?!? OH NOES! Not THEM!!!!

I mean, who knows what kind of crazy, radical ideas those, those, CANADIANS are forcing on to the gullible, stupid, easily-manipulated Kholkhols in Kiev ???



Try harder comrade Trollski. You’re slipping.


To be fair, their bs about NED and the EED worked on Elon Musk.
Anonymous
Post 05/18/2023 16:49     Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
And of course the Kyiv Independent reports on things from Ukraine which does have freedom of speech, with the notable exception of information relating to their troop movements etc.
https://kyivindependent.com/


Sigh. Kyiv Independent is funded by the government of Canada and the EU's equivalent of NED. It is anything but independent because it services a particular point of view, and no others. Please learn that there is no editorial independence with donor funding.


Wait - CANADA ?!? OH NOES! Not THEM!!!!

I mean, who knows what kind of crazy, radical ideas those, those, CANADIANS are forcing on to the gullible, stupid, easily-manipulated Kholkhols in Kiev ???



Try harder comrade Trollski. You’re slipping.


Wow, using ethnic slurs AND misspelling them?