Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 17:06     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:You know, with so much political sorting in this country, especially by state, I'm not convinced overturning Roe will be a big significant political event. Yes, it's possible there will be marginal shifts in suburban purple districts. But if local laws reflect he prevailing local opinion, we may see very little effect.


Sure, it's not going to be a big deal in, say, Alabama. But it will be huge in a bunch of states. For example, VA now has a GOP legislature and governor. Those guys are going to be under huge pressure to ban abortion. Abortion will be completely illegal in WI, MI, and AZ based on laws that pre-date Roe and were not enforced because of it. Those states are about 50/50 R/D, so this issue is going to scramble politics there. PA has a GOP legislature that will be under pressure to ban abortion. Currently there is a Democratic governor, but there's an election this year and if a Republican wins, he'd be under pressure to sign a ban, so it will scramble politics there too.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 17:05     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Can't planned parenthood just cover the flights + hotels for women to go have abortions in blue states?
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 17:04     Subject: Re:“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:If this has already been covered in the previous 71 pages, I apologize and please point me to the right page. I want to make sure that I am understanding what Alito's issue is. “The Supreme Court may only protect these rights, Alito says, if they are ‘deeply rooted’ in history because when they are not, they are "unenumerated rights." So Alito's claim is that the Supreme Court can only defend rights that existed in the 1700s?! That as a society we should not expect to grow beyond beliefs that are over 200 years old? I mean, I know that this is also what happens with the Second Amendment - we've developed guns that are far beyond the imaginations of our founding fathers but the argument is that a gun is a gun and therefore protected. But now issues like abortion and same-sex marriages, which was also referenced in the leaked document, are not to be protected rights because they weren't a major political or social issue in the 1700s?


The left would never do this but guns were very different technologically in the 18th century. Muzzle loaded not breach loaded. Modern breach loaded ones should not be covered by his originalism. But then again it's all just bs. Abortion was not illegal in 1787. Neither were a lot of things at risk now because of this ruling. Most of the stuff this ruling impacts were made illegal in the 19th century.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 17:04     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Women need to start withholding sex from men—period. Vibrators are better anyway!


We should all go on strike.


Uh oh! Someone's read Lysistrata!


If you strike and no one knows you are on strike ….
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 17:02     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would love to see the OB GYNs get the heck out of those states which block them from properly caring for their patients


Are you going to sponsor them? Costs associated with them getting their license in another state? Moving costs? Help their spouse find a new job in another state?

Didn't think so.


They are not going to be able to practice in the red states. A simple exam could land the doctor in prison. They will leave on their own. Also major hospitals will bar them from using the hospital’s facilities.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 17:00     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Women need to start withholding sex from men—period. Vibrators are better anyway!


We should all go on strike.


Uh oh! Someone's read Lysistrata!
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 17:00     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Women need to start withholding sex from men—period. Vibrators are better anyway!


Seriously, we need to STRIKE FAST and HARD on this: SEX Ban imposed on ALL Men in Washington Starting Next Monday ( one week from the leak):

No Senator, Congressman, Legislative Aid, Staffer, Head of Communications, Lawyer, Lobbyist, Media personality,Pentagon, CIA, US Atty's Office, FBI office IS GETTING LAID

EVER Again starting NEXT Monday- until a Constitutional Amendment is passed that says, " a woman has domain over her own body and any decision she makes with it is between her and her MD and no law can be passed by Any State or Federal Body Abridging her right to control what enters , grows inside ( or not ) and leaves her own body" " Her gifts to the world are through her own labor and are therefore her own free choice and cannot be compelled"

And as for the " GOOd men" who want to Support us NO SEX for them Either until they Take the defense of US inTo High Gear

Also, Every Actress in America on TV and in Movies SHOULD Effective Next Monday REFUSE to have her sexuality exploited to make profits for Print media, film , TV, online Ads - let hairy , fat men try to sell products using only hairy fat men as Advertising.

ALL WOMEN Report to Washington for Protests: so, no Teaching in schools, no Nursing in Hospitals - You are Needed in Washington Instead


So I have a problem with this line of thinking. First are you really sleeping with someone who is in favor of this ruling? Second it is very transactional. It seems you feel women’s only recourse is to use sex to manipulate or buy men’s favor. Jury nullification is a better track.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 16:59     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:I would love to see the OB GYNs get the heck out of those states which block them from properly caring for their patients


Are you going to sponsor them? Costs associated with them getting their license in another state? Moving costs? Help their spouse find a new job in another state?

Didn't think so.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 16:57     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:You know, with so much political sorting in this country, especially by state, I'm not convinced overturning Roe will be a big significant political event. Yes, it's possible there will be marginal shifts in suburban purple districts. But if local laws reflect he prevailing local opinion, we may see very little effect.


Exactly, and if women die in these red states as a result - it’s god’s will, so what-evs.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 16:56     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Women need to start withholding sex from men—period. Vibrators are better anyway!


We should all go on strike.


Oh! I already warned my husband. And he is pushing for us to have one more child. No sir! I’m shutting that all the way down for now.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 16:54     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Stepping back: is anyone honestly shocked by this? I’m not. Are people really surprised by the apparent majority opinion, or Roberts getting infuriated by the leak? None of this can be called surprising in the truest sense of the word, right?


+1. I'm not sure why this is surprising to anyone. This has been widely forecasted this since the ACB confirmation. One would think that women's rights organizations and planned parenthood would have been mounting full-throated defenses of a women's right to choose. It appears they have been busy with other priorities.



Those groups have been behind the curve for decades. People who are upset by the contents of this leak need to start facing up to the failures, many of the worst of those coming from overly-lionized women (e.g. RBG, HRC, etc.), of the putative defenders of this of these rights.

Yes. I’m unthread, not shocked by this, but still devastated.

To the poster at the top of the page: yes. Alito’s ‘practical originalism’ wipes out personhood as rewritten by the centuries following the Founding Fathers.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 16:54     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
You know, with so much political sorting in this country, especially by state, I'm not convinced overturning Roe will be a big significant political event. Yes, it's possible there will be marginal shifts in suburban purple districts. But if local laws reflect he prevailing local opinion, we may see very little effect.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 16:46     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Stepping back: is anyone honestly shocked by this? I’m not. Are people really surprised by the apparent majority opinion, or Roberts getting infuriated by the leak? None of this can be called surprising in the truest sense of the word, right?


+1. I'm not sure why this is surprising to anyone. This has been widely forecasted this since the ACB confirmation. One would think that women's rights organizations and planned parenthood would have been mounting full-throated defenses of a women's right to choose. It appears they have been busy with other priorities.



Those groups have been behind the curve for decades. People who are upset by the contents of this leak need to start facing up to the failures, many of the worst of those coming from overly-lionized women (e.g. RBG, HRC, etc.), of the putative defenders of this of these rights.
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 16:44     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Women need to start withholding sex from men—period. Vibrators are better anyway!


Seriously, we need to STRIKE FAST and HARD on this: SEX Ban imposed on ALL Men in Washington Starting Next Monday ( one week from the leak):

No Senator, Congressman, Legislative Aid, Staffer, Head of Communications, Lawyer, Lobbyist, Media personality,Pentagon, CIA, US Atty's Office, FBI office IS GETTING LAID

EVER Again starting NEXT Monday- until a Constitutional Amendment is passed that says, " a woman has domain over her own body and any decision she makes with it is between her and her MD and no law can be passed by Any State or Federal Body Abridging her right to control what enters , grows inside ( or not ) and leaves her own body" " Her gifts to the world are through her own labor and are therefore her own free choice and cannot be compelled"

And as for the " GOOd men" who want to Support us NO SEX for them Either until they Take the defense of US inTo High Gear

Also, Every Actress in America on TV and in Movies SHOULD Effective Next Monday REFUSE to have her sexuality exploited to make profits for Print media, film , TV, online Ads - let hairy , fat men try to sell products using only hairy fat men as Advertising.

ALL WOMEN Report to Washington for Protests: so, no Teaching in schools, no Nursing in Hospitals - You are Needed in Washington Instead
Anonymous
Post 05/03/2022 16:44     Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
I would love to see the OB GYNs get the heck out of those states which block them from properly caring for their patients