Anonymous
Post 04/26/2023 12:12     Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
DeSantis F-ed around and is about to find out that Bob Eiger has bigger balls than him. lol
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2023 13:55     Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Anonymous wrote:They inje ted politics in to a theme park and family entertainment company. They deserve everything they get.


Did you miss the memo - Disney isn’t losing this fight. Disney world Florida is also not the only Disney theme park. The company was smart enough to brand their parks across the world. Three DW in Asia, one in Europe and two in the states. Disney can slowly begin to dismantle and unravel itself from Florida and rebrand in a friendlier USA state over five years, leaving a big gap in Florida’s tax base and unemployment of 80k people. They could also put more money in Disneyland, a park the company has neglected for years. Disney has options. At this point Iger is seeing what the king game will be for the company and the stockholders. As a stockholder myself, I support Iger.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2023 12:36     Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
They inje ted politics in to a theme park and family entertainment company. They deserve everything they get.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2023 11:28     Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
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He could build his prison and it would probably hurt Disney, but why would a governor go out of their way to drive away tourists from a large metropolitan area that relies on tourism?


Why indeed! Why is he spending SO MUCH taxpayer time and money pursuing this personal grudge that isn't even helping HIM let alone the rest of the state?

Meanwhile, is he still off showboating around Ohio or has he bothered coming back to Florida to at least put on a pair of white boots and pretend he cares about Ft Lauderdale?

We still have a housing crisis and an insurance crisis here in Florida, too. But sure, sign a six week abortion ban in the middle of the night as hurricane season approaches once again. Great prioritizing. Surely there's time to hold a good old fashioned book burning before heading back out on the trail again, too.


Are you in florida? Is the public getting weary of his grandstanding? It’s hard to believe there is a politician that I dislike as much as trump, but desantis really is making his case. I’m assuming the panhandle is rah rah desantis still, but surely the Tampa side of florida must be getting sick of him, no?


I am in Florida. I find it hard to tell if the whole state is getting sick of him - but it feels like he's reached a tipping point where people really are just tired of this sh**. I don't really know, though. I hated him from the beginning - though there was a very brief period, during the first part of his first term, where it seemed like he was acting like a serious person, and was also making overtures to those who didn't vote for him. THAT DeSantis is certainly long gone. He is just an exhausting person, who seems profoundly unserious. And it's not like he's too stupid to be serious - he jut decided that was more political advantageous for him. That's almost what makes it worst of all - he could be doing a decent job, and being a kind of normal person, and he just flgured it was more expedient to be an evil clown.

It just makes me joyful to see Disney destroy him. That pudding-smeared idiot.


Everything he does at this point should be viewed through the lens of a Presidential run. He's obviously decided that these actions are in his political interest in terms of winning states in the Primary.


He's made some bad strategic calls as far as that goes. He's also taking Florida for granted, which he shouldn't.


It's not like he will lose FL in a Presidential run. Now he's trying to go so far right with these social issues so he can win the other states.


Yes, we all understand what he's doing - thank you. What we're saying is that he's doing it badly and in these dark times it brings some joy to see him so badly humiliated. No one deserves humiliation more than he does.


Why do you think he's doing it badly?

I mean maybe he’s doing it well, and this is a primary vs. presidential run thing. He needs to get Trump’s hard right base during the primary while looking less incompetent/corrupt than Trump to the smarter folks in the middle. He’ll of course have to pivot hard during the Presidential run at that point because the far right will vote for him regardless. But, in reality, he’s probably just very thin skinned.

Once a politician has captured Trump's hard right base, no thinking independent or moderate will vote for them. Particularly given the stance on banning books, banning abortions and promoting guns. In 2024, these are the main issues that most suburban moms will be weighing. And on every count, the GOP loses. Americans do not want to live in a Christo-Fascist state.

He's doing it badly because he was viewed as the most normal, stable, moderate-ish candidate - and that's why he had support. But instead he turned himself into a petty, trans-obsessed clown who is trying to burn down Disney - Disney! - and burning himself down instead. His polling shows how badly he's doing this. His dwindling support from the big donors, who are speaking to the media about how his behavior and weird obsessions are giving them pause. And it's not like it's translating into a huge surge of support - he's losing, badly, to Trump at this point. He seems to be viewed simultaneously as a chaotic far right weirdo, AND as a stick up his a** Paul Ryan acolyte. And that's because everyone can smell the inauthenticity - the unformed raw ambition that seeks power and doesn't really have anything behind it.

Trump = who I consider one of the great monsters of our times - at least seems authentic in his lies and inauthenticity. He is the guy in the bizarre orange makeup and flabby suit who grabs women and steals everything he can get his hands on, and lies and lives in a weird mansion with a gold toilet. He can't really walk well and insults people constantly, and has a strange fixation on his own daughter. He craves the spotlight and he craves love, and that's who he is. We know him. I HATE him, but we know him.

Who is DeSantis? Do you think you know? He's a cipher.



This is a very clear-eyed description of Trump.

Trump is different. Trump has an innate sense of what people want to hear - he's, at his heart, an entertainer. An evil, craven, mean entertainer - but an entertainer. He gives the crowd a show. DeSantis isn't an entertainer. He has no charisma, no sense of fun or flair with language. He's just mean - and so long as people want to see mean, he's got them hooked. But if they want anything other than mean, he's no good.

Also, I don't know how to put this any better - but Trump is authentic in a very weird way. Lies constantly. I wouldn't trust him for anything. But you get the sense that he really is who he presents himself as. The whole grotesque package. That's not the case with DeSantis.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2023 10:45     Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
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Anonymous wrote:He's making a complete fool of himself over this.

Agreed. He thinks he’s gaining supporters by suggesting the building of a prison next to Disney??


Or levying a special tax on hotels in the area.


Desantis is scrambling to wipe the egg off his face. Everything is so interwoven that the solution of levying/prison/second amusement park won’t be as simple as it sounds. He tried to dissolve the whole reedy creek district and then realized that you can’t pluck it out of the ground like a weed without incurring a billion dollar debt that the surrounding counties would have to cover. Naturally, they didn’t like the idea. Whatever he’s thought of, I’m pretty sure the Disney lawyers are on top of it.



He could build his prison and it would probably hurt Disney, but why would a governor go out of their way to drive away tourists from a large metropolitan area that relies on tourism?


Why indeed! Why is he spending SO MUCH taxpayer time and money pursuing this personal grudge that isn't even helping HIM let alone the rest of the state?

Meanwhile, is he still off showboating around Ohio or has he bothered coming back to Florida to at least put on a pair of white boots and pretend he cares about Ft Lauderdale?

We still have a housing crisis and an insurance crisis here in Florida, too. But sure, sign a six week abortion ban in the middle of the night as hurricane season approaches once again. Great prioritizing. Surely there's time to hold a good old fashioned book burning before heading back out on the trail again, too.


OM Goodness. When I saw his potbelly hanging over his blue pants and those white BOOTS. Just wow. My husband asked if he had on his wife’s boots. I could only laugh with a WTF does he have on moment. If he said anything intelligible, I missed it.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2023 09:24     Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Anonymous wrote:Disney is set to eliminate thousands of jobs starting next week. - Bloomberg, April 18, 2023


I hear they are planning on closing for four weeks during this summer. They will close and blame DeSantis and the Florida legislators.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2023 09:21     Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney



He could build his prison and it would probably hurt Disney, but why would a governor go out of their way to drive away tourists from a large metropolitan area that relies on tourism?


Why indeed! Why is he spending SO MUCH taxpayer time and money pursuing this personal grudge that isn't even helping HIM let alone the rest of the state?

Meanwhile, is he still off showboating around Ohio or has he bothered coming back to Florida to at least put on a pair of white boots and pretend he cares about Ft Lauderdale?

We still have a housing crisis and an insurance crisis here in Florida, too. But sure, sign a six week abortion ban in the middle of the night as hurricane season approaches once again. Great prioritizing. Surely there's time to hold a good old fashioned book burning before heading back out on the trail again, too.


Are you in florida? Is the public getting weary of his grandstanding? It’s hard to believe there is a politician that I dislike as much as trump, but desantis really is making his case. I’m assuming the panhandle is rah rah desantis still, but surely the Tampa side of florida must be getting sick of him, no?


I am in Florida. I find it hard to tell if the whole state is getting sick of him - but it feels like he's reached a tipping point where people really are just tired of this sh**. I don't really know, though. I hated him from the beginning - though there was a very brief period, during the first part of his first term, where it seemed like he was acting like a serious person, and was also making overtures to those who didn't vote for him. THAT DeSantis is certainly long gone. He is just an exhausting person, who seems profoundly unserious. And it's not like he's too stupid to be serious - he jut decided that was more political advantageous for him. That's almost what makes it worst of all - he could be doing a decent job, and being a kind of normal person, and he just flgured it was more expedient to be an evil clown.

It just makes me joyful to see Disney destroy him. That pudding-smeared idiot.


Everything he does at this point should be viewed through the lens of a Presidential run. He's obviously decided that these actions are in his political interest in terms of winning states in the Primary.

He's made some bad strategic calls as far as that goes. He's also taking Florida for granted, which he shouldn't.


It's not like he will lose FL in a Presidential run. Now he's trying to go so far right with these social issues so he can win the other states.

Yes, we all understand what he's doing - thank you. What we're saying is that he's doing it badly and in these dark times it brings some joy to see him so badly humiliated. No one deserves humiliation more than he does.

Why do you think he's doing it badly?

I mean maybe he’s doing it well, and this is a primary vs. presidential run thing. He needs to get Trump’s hard right base during the primary while looking less incompetent/corrupt than Trump to the smarter folks in the middle. He’ll of course have to pivot hard during the Presidential run at that point because the far right will vote for him regardless. But, in reality, he’s probably just very thin skinned.

Once a politician has captured Trump's hard right base, no thinking independent or moderate will vote for them. Particularly given the stance on banning books, banning abortions and promoting guns. In 2024, these are the main issues that most suburban moms will be weighing. And on every count, the GOP loses. Americans do not want to live in a Christo-Fascist state.

He's doing it badly because he was viewed as the most normal, stable, moderate-ish candidate - and that's why he had support. But instead he turned himself into a petty, trans-obsessed clown who is trying to burn down Disney - Disney! - and burning himself down instead. His polling shows how badly he's doing this. His dwindling support from the big donors, who are speaking to the media about how his behavior and weird obsessions are giving them pause. And it's not like it's translating into a huge surge of support - he's losing, badly, to Trump at this point. He seems to be viewed simultaneously as a chaotic far right weirdo, AND as a stick up his a** Paul Ryan acolyte. And that's because everyone can smell the inauthenticity - the unformed raw ambition that seeks power and doesn't really have anything behind it.

Trump = who I consider one of the great monsters of our times - at least seems authentic in his lies and inauthenticity. He is the guy in the bizarre orange makeup and flabby suit who grabs women and steals everything he can get his hands on, and lies and lives in a weird mansion with a gold toilet. He can't really walk well and insults people constantly, and has a strange fixation on his own daughter. He craves the spotlight and he craves love, and that's who he is. We know him. I HATE him, but we know him.

Who is DeSantis? Do you think you know? He's a cipher.



This is a very clear-eyed description of Trump.
Anonymous
Post 04/23/2023 09:07     Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Disney is set to eliminate thousands of jobs starting next week. - Bloomberg, April 18, 2023
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 21:57     Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
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Anonymous wrote:What’s the definition of insanity again?


Doesn’t this violate Article 1 of the Constitution as it relates prohibition of bills of attainder?


He fails in court all the time. This will not survive a court challenge. He’s just trying to soothe his bruised ego.


The zero carb diet probably isnt helping his mood either.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 21:21     Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
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Post 04/19/2023 21:19     Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
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Anonymous wrote:He's making a complete fool of himself over this.

Agreed. He thinks he’s gaining supporters by suggesting the building of a prison next to Disney??


Or levying a special tax on hotels in the area.


Desantis is scrambling to wipe the egg off his face. Everything is so interwoven that the solution of levying/prison/second amusement park won’t be as simple as it sounds. He tried to dissolve the whole reedy creek district and then realized that you can’t pluck it out of the ground like a weed without incurring a billion dollar debt that the surrounding counties would have to cover. Naturally, they didn’t like the idea. Whatever he’s thought of, I’m pretty sure the Disney lawyers are on top of it.



He could build his prison and it would probably hurt Disney, but why would a governor go out of their way to drive away tourists from a large metropolitan area that relies on tourism?


Why indeed! Why is he spending SO MUCH taxpayer time and money pursuing this personal grudge that isn't even helping HIM let alone the rest of the state?

Meanwhile, is he still off showboating around Ohio or has he bothered coming back to Florida to at least put on a pair of white boots and pretend he cares about Ft Lauderdale?

We still have a housing crisis and an insurance crisis here in Florida, too. But sure, sign a six week abortion ban in the middle of the night as hurricane season approaches once again. Great prioritizing. Surely there's time to hold a good old fashioned book burning before heading back out on the trail again, too.


Are you in florida? Is the public getting weary of his grandstanding? It’s hard to believe there is a politician that I dislike as much as trump, but desantis really is making his case. I’m assuming the panhandle is rah rah desantis still, but surely the Tampa side of florida must be getting sick of him, no?


I am in Florida. I find it hard to tell if the whole state is getting sick of him - but it feels like he's reached a tipping point where people really are just tired of this sh**. I don't really know, though. I hated him from the beginning - though there was a very brief period, during the first part of his first term, where it seemed like he was acting like a serious person, and was also making overtures to those who didn't vote for him. THAT DeSantis is certainly long gone. He is just an exhausting person, who seems profoundly unserious. And it's not like he's too stupid to be serious - he jut decided that was more political advantageous for him. That's almost what makes it worst of all - he could be doing a decent job, and being a kind of normal person, and he just flgured it was more expedient to be an evil clown.

It just makes me joyful to see Disney destroy him. That pudding-smeared idiot.


Everything he does at this point should be viewed through the lens of a Presidential run. He's obviously decided that these actions are in his political interest in terms of winning states in the Primary.


He's made some bad strategic calls as far as that goes. He's also taking Florida for granted, which he shouldn't.


It's not like he will lose FL in a Presidential run. Now he's trying to go so far right with these social issues so he can win the other states.


Yes, we all understand what he's doing - thank you. What we're saying is that he's doing it badly and in these dark times it brings some joy to see him so badly humiliated. No one deserves humiliation more than he does.


Why do you think he's doing it badly?


DP, but he's attacking the state's major tourist attraction/big business, threatening to try to ruin it. And in a climate of rising political violence. And regular people in Florida are starting to ask about things like their property insurance premiums being astronomical, among other things.


His influencers are always making excuses about the insurance premiums, saying his hands are tied because insurance companies could leave the state.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 21:17     Subject: Re:DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He's going to need all the moderates, Independents, suburban women, pro-business Republicans...and this is his high-profile strategy. He has genuinely lost the plot.


The dirty secret is that he never had the plot. He got lucky during COVID - his reckless strategy was popular in a crazy time (and never mind all those dead Floridians). He became a media darling. But there was never any there there. If there's anyone who should ever feel deep seeded imposter syndrome, it's him.


His blanking during the debate with Crist was a giveaway. It was an easy, obvious question.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 13:35     Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:He's making a complete fool of himself over this.

Agreed. He thinks he’s gaining supporters by suggesting the building of a prison next to Disney??


Or levying a special tax on hotels in the area.


Desantis is scrambling to wipe the egg off his face. Everything is so interwoven that the solution of levying/prison/second amusement park won’t be as simple as it sounds. He tried to dissolve the whole reedy creek district and then realized that you can’t pluck it out of the ground like a weed without incurring a billion dollar debt that the surrounding counties would have to cover. Naturally, they didn’t like the idea. Whatever he’s thought of, I’m pretty sure the Disney lawyers are on top of it.



He could build his prison and it would probably hurt Disney, but why would a governor go out of their way to drive away tourists from a large metropolitan area that relies on tourism?


Disney World sits on 40 square miles of land owned by Disney. The prison idea is asinine because the property at the edges of Disney property is expensive. The businesses around it survive on the tourist traffic. High priced toll roads would cause the same problems for businesses in Osceola and Orange counties.


If he really wanted to do it, he could use eminent domain to seize land for it. The point is that it would be the most petty asinine politically suicidal action that a governor could possibly make


You know there’s more to an eminent domain claim than just wanting the property, right?
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 13:27     Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
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Anonymous wrote:He's making a complete fool of himself over this.

Agreed. He thinks he’s gaining supporters by suggesting the building of a prison next to Disney??


Or levying a special tax on hotels in the area.


Desantis is scrambling to wipe the egg off his face. Everything is so interwoven that the solution of levying/prison/second amusement park won’t be as simple as it sounds. He tried to dissolve the whole reedy creek district and then realized that you can’t pluck it out of the ground like a weed without incurring a billion dollar debt that the surrounding counties would have to cover. Naturally, they didn’t like the idea. Whatever he’s thought of, I’m pretty sure the Disney lawyers are on top of it.



He could build his prison and it would probably hurt Disney, but why would a governor go out of their way to drive away tourists from a large metropolitan area that relies on tourism?


Why indeed! Why is he spending SO MUCH taxpayer time and money pursuing this personal grudge that isn't even helping HIM let alone the rest of the state?

Meanwhile, is he still off showboating around Ohio or has he bothered coming back to Florida to at least put on a pair of white boots and pretend he cares about Ft Lauderdale?

We still have a housing crisis and an insurance crisis here in Florida, too. But sure, sign a six week abortion ban in the middle of the night as hurricane season approaches once again. Great prioritizing. Surely there's time to hold a good old fashioned book burning before heading back out on the trail again, too.


Are you in florida? Is the public getting weary of his grandstanding? It’s hard to believe there is a politician that I dislike as much as trump, but desantis really is making his case. I’m assuming the panhandle is rah rah desantis still, but surely the Tampa side of florida must be getting sick of him, no?


I am in Florida. I find it hard to tell if the whole state is getting sick of him - but it feels like he's reached a tipping point where people really are just tired of this sh**. I don't really know, though. I hated him from the beginning - though there was a very brief period, during the first part of his first term, where it seemed like he was acting like a serious person, and was also making overtures to those who didn't vote for him. THAT DeSantis is certainly long gone. He is just an exhausting person, who seems profoundly unserious. And it's not like he's too stupid to be serious - he jut decided that was more political advantageous for him. That's almost what makes it worst of all - he could be doing a decent job, and being a kind of normal person, and he just flgured it was more expedient to be an evil clown.

It just makes me joyful to see Disney destroy him. That pudding-smeared idiot.


Everything he does at this point should be viewed through the lens of a Presidential run. He's obviously decided that these actions are in his political interest in terms of winning states in the Primary.


He's made some bad strategic calls as far as that goes. He's also taking Florida for granted, which he shouldn't.


It's not like he will lose FL in a Presidential run. Now he's trying to go so far right with these social issues so he can win the other states.


Yes, we all understand what he's doing - thank you. What we're saying is that he's doing it badly and in these dark times it brings some joy to see him so badly humiliated. No one deserves humiliation more than he does.


Why do you think he's doing it badly?


DP, but he's attacking the state's major tourist attraction/big business, threatening to try to ruin it. And in a climate of rising political violence. And regular people in Florida are starting to ask about things like their property insurance premiums being astronomical, among other things.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2023 13:26     Subject: DeSantis and FL moving to hammer Disney
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Anonymous wrote:He's making a complete fool of himself over this.

Agreed. He thinks he’s gaining supporters by suggesting the building of a prison next to Disney??


Or levying a special tax on hotels in the area.


Desantis is scrambling to wipe the egg off his face. Everything is so interwoven that the solution of levying/prison/second amusement park won’t be as simple as it sounds. He tried to dissolve the whole reedy creek district and then realized that you can’t pluck it out of the ground like a weed without incurring a billion dollar debt that the surrounding counties would have to cover. Naturally, they didn’t like the idea. Whatever he’s thought of, I’m pretty sure the Disney lawyers are on top of it.



He could build his prison and it would probably hurt Disney, but why would a governor go out of their way to drive away tourists from a large metropolitan area that relies on tourism?


Disney World sits on 40 square miles of land owned by Disney. The prison idea is asinine because the property at the edges of Disney property is expensive. The businesses around it survive on the tourist traffic. High priced toll roads would cause the same problems for businesses in Osceola and Orange counties.


If he really wanted to do it, he could use eminent domain to seize land for it. The point is that it would be the most petty asinine politically suicidal action that a governor could possibly make


Sure. And the state would pay a fortune. That land is worth a lot. Disney would fight to get every penny.


That would depend on if Disney ever fought an assessment. Hard to argue a patch of swamp is worth hundrends of millions when you just argued that it was worthless


That was then, this is now.

That land is worth money because Disney spend the money to develop it. I was in Florida before WDW opened, and that part of the state was an empty swamp.


Disney owns lots of undeveloped land. I doubt they are arguing those parcels should be highly valued