Will create pretense to pardon Manafort as well.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Also

The former U.S. special envoy for Ukraine told House investigators on Thursday that he warned President Trump’s personal attorney, Rudolph W. Giuliani, that Giuliani was receiving untrustworthy information from Ukrainian political figures about former vice president Joe Biden and his son, according to two people familiar with his testimony

WaPo

So basically, the State Department told Giuliani this was fake stuff and he continued to push it and now we have the president and vice president pushing it on the American public, and 30% have bought it, and it will be used as a pretext to give Ukraine to Russia.

And putin is the clear winner.

Way to go, GOP.

Anonymous wrote:Also

The former U.S. special envoy for Ukraine told House investigators on Thursday that he warned President Trump’s personal attorney, Rudolph W. Giuliani, that Giuliani was receiving untrustworthy information from Ukrainian political figures about former vice president Joe Biden and his son, according to two people familiar with his testimony

WaPo

So basically, the State Department told Giuliani this was fake stuff and he continued to push it and now we have the president and vice president pushing it on the American public, and 30% have bought it, and it will be used as a pretext to give Ukraine to Russia.

Giuliani was warned that Ukrainian claims of Bidens’ misconduct were not credible, Trump’s ex-envoy tells lawmakers

The former U.S. special envoy for Ukraine told House investigators on Thursday that he warned President Trump’s personal attorney, Rudolph W. Giuliani, that Giuliani was receiving untrustworthy information from Ukrainian political figures about former vice president Joe Biden and his son, according to two people familiar with his testimony.

Kurt Volker, who resigned last week after being named in a whistleblower complaint that sparked the House impeachment inquiry of Trump, said he tried to caution Giuliani that his sources, including Ukraine’s former top prosecutor, were unreliable and that he should be careful about putting faith in the prosecutor’s stories, said the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the closed door meeting.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Word has it that the Volker deposition isn't going the way Schiff would like.

Evidently, Schiff took over questioning at one point from his counsel which was reported as "unusual" because staff was supposed to lead.

Dems seem nervous.

Meanwhile trump doesn’t seem nervous at all.

Volker gave text messages showing career diplomats knew that Trump was holding the fund for his political gain. So NO!

LOL. No.

In newly disclosed text messages shared with Congress, the top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine at the time writes to a group of other American diplomats that "I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.”

In the exchange, obtained by ABC News, the concerns are expressed by Bill Taylor, the top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine. Gordon Sondland, the United States Ambassador to the European Union, responds to Taylor, saying, "Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump’s intentions. The President has been crystal clear: no quid pro quo’s of any kind. The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensky promised during his campaign."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/top-diplomat-ukraine-crazy-withhold-security-sasistance-political/story?id=66039011

Guess which of those people is a political appointee.

Gordon D. Sondland is the founder and chairman of Provenance Hotels.

On March 12, 2018, President Donald Trump selected Sondland to be the next United States Ambassador to the European Union.

Anonymous wrote:If you think Sonland, a Trump appointee who is a hotelier himself and a million dollar contributor to the Trump PACs, is a professional and independent voice for the facts on the ground, then I don't know what to say.

The professionals on the ground understand what this was, as do most of the GOP Senators, who are in a tough spot and they know it.

+1 - Slow clap...

Sondland sounds just as dirty as Guiliani and the rest of the lot...

"Sondland has been the U.S. envoy to the European Union since July 2018. He has assisted Giuliani's effort to contact Ukrainian officials about an investigation, according to Giuliani, who says he briefed Sondland and Volker after his meetings." ABC News

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Word has it that the Volker deposition isn't going the way Schiff would like.

Evidently, Schiff took over questioning at one point from his counsel which was reported as "unusual" because staff was supposed to lead.

Dems seem nervous.

Whose word? Link? Just posting it here doesn't make it true.

Having seen some of the texts Volker shared as leaked by the republicans, they don't seem to help Trump.

General discussion. Zeldin just spoke on camera - said that the idea that today's testimony blew a huge hole in the idea that money was withheld and that there was a quid pro quo.

1. Don't need a "quid pro quo" for impeachment. In any normal time, Trump's speech on the South Lawn this morning would lead to immediate impeachment.

2. Text messages were released showing that a US diplomat called it a "quid pro quo"

3. Money WAS withheld on order of the President - that's an established fact

If you think Sonland, a Trump appointee who is a hotelier himself and a million dollar contributor to the Trump PACs, is a professional and independent voice for the facts on the ground, then I don't know what to say.

The professionals on the ground understand what this was, as do most of the GOP Senators, who are in a tough spot and they know it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Word has it that the Volker deposition isn't going the way Schiff would like.

Evidently, Schiff took over questioning at one point from his counsel which was reported as "unusual" because staff was supposed to lead.

Dems seem nervous.

Meanwhile trump doesn’t seem nervous at all.

Volker gave text messages showing career diplomats knew that Trump was holding the fund for his political gain. So NO!

LOL. No.

In newly disclosed text messages shared with Congress, the top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine at the time writes to a group of other American diplomats that "I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.”

In the exchange, obtained by ABC News, the concerns are expressed by Bill Taylor, the top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine. Gordon Sondland, the United States Ambassador to the European Union, responds to Taylor, saying, "Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump’s intentions. The President has been crystal clear: no quid pro quo’s of any kind. The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensky promised during his campaign."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/top-diplomat-ukraine-crazy-withhold-security-sasistance-political/story?id=66039011

Yeah, right.

The former U.S. special envoy for Ukraine told House investigators on Thursday that he warned President Trump’s personal attorney, Rudolph W. Giuliani, that Giuliani was receiving untrustworthy information from Ukrainian political figures about former vice president Joe Biden and his son, according to two people familiar with his testimony.

Kurt Volker, who resigned last week after being named in a whistleblower complaint that sparked the House impeachment inquiry of Trump, said he tried to caution Guiliani that his sources, including Ukraine’s former top prosecutor, were unreliable and that he should be careful about putting faith in the prosecutor’s stories, said the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the closed door meeting.

From WaPo - first accounts of his testimony.

Also

The former U.S. special envoy for Ukraine told House investigators on Thursday that he warned President Trump’s personal attorney, Rudolph W. Giuliani, that Giuliani was receiving untrustworthy information from Ukrainian political figures about former vice president Joe Biden and his son, according to two people familiar with his testimony

WaPo

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Word has it that the Volker deposition isn't going the way Schiff would like.

Evidently, Schiff took over questioning at one point from his counsel which was reported as "unusual" because staff was supposed to lead.

Dems seem nervous.

Meanwhile trump doesn’t seem nervous at all.

Volker gave text messages showing career diplomats knew that Trump was holding the fund for his political gain. So NO!

LOL. No.

In newly disclosed text messages shared with Congress, the top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine at the time writes to a group of other American diplomats that "I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.”

In the exchange, obtained by ABC News, the concerns are expressed by Bill Taylor, the top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine. Gordon Sondland, the United States Ambassador to the European Union, responds to Taylor, saying, "Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump’s intentions. The President has been crystal clear: no quid pro quo’s of any kind. The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensky promised during his campaign."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/top-diplomat-ukraine-crazy-withhold-security-sasistance-political/story?id=66039011

The ex-U.S. special envoy (Volker) for Ukraine told House investigators that he warned Rudy Giuliani that Giuliani was receiving untrustworthy information from Ukrainian political figures about Biden and his son, two people familiar with his testimony tell Washington Post.


That doesn;t seem to support that it is going badly for "the Dems."

Doesn’t seem helpful to Drumpf

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/top-diplomat-ukraine-crazy-withhold-security-sasistance-political/story?id=66039011