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Anonymous wrote:What if she drank so much that she died. That instead of being unconscious he was actually not moving because she wasn't breathing anymore. He wouldn't have noticed, but would you have thought she was more to blame because she was wearing the lace up boots? She was completely immobilized. He was raping her while she was unconscious. I'm not sure if she had done 200 shots that would have influenced the behavior of the other person who was raping her...

If she drank so much she was unconscious don't you think he was too drunk to notice his date was too drunk. At this point she probably should have been going to the hospital to have her stomach pumped. Was that his responsibility?

If she died would you have blamed him? her sister? the person that forced her to drink ... oh wait she is 24 ... should she be charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor... did she know underage people were drinking....yes of course she did... did she know her date was under 21? and she was drinking with him, even though he was 17....

So to recap this general argument that keeps cropping up:

Emily Doe was drunk, so it's her fault she was raped. She should have been more aware.
Brock was drunk, so it's not his fault he raped someone. He couldn't have been fully aware.

No. let me recap... Emily was drunk and having sex ... Brock was drunk and having sex... .Emily passed out... Brock did not notice.... Brock is a rapist.

I agree he is a rapist.

Emily is >21, Brock is <21, Emily was drinking with Brock... .Emily was contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

There should be a law that if you report your rape while committing a crime you will not be charged, just like if you are committing a crime (drinking) and need to call 911 you to save a life, you will not be charged.

But she was committing a crime, that is all. How many people don't report because they have to admit they were committing a crime.

What a weird, warped person you are.

This is why college campuses should not handle rape case. As you can see from the pages here... people can't handle the truth about rapes. They can't really handle the whole truth.

People get raped all the time while committing a crime... prostitution, drugs, underage drinking... many don't report because of the fact that they think they will get in trouble.

Hey, dumbass. On the scale of severity of crime, rape is way, WAY worse than underage drinking. How dare you even equate the two?

I didn't... but how many straight A, perfect students are afraid to tell their parents they got raped after they drank and smoked pot. Many.

Uh, no. They are not afraid to report because mom is going to be mad they drank. They're afraid to report because of people like you who will say it's their fault or otherwise assign blame or not believe them or take the side of the attacker. Your ignorance is really astounding.

Actually your ignorance is astounding. I want there to be a law that rape victims will not be charged with a crime if they are raped while committing a crime. I am on the side of the victim.

I also want to get rid of alcohol on campuses.
I also want there to be free counseling for rape victims.
I also want to change the laws so rape victims can sue in civil court for the cost of therapy.

You just want to pray to the gods that men will become less of pigs.

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Anonymous wrote:What if she drank so much that she died. That instead of being unconscious he was actually not moving because she wasn't breathing anymore. He wouldn't have noticed, but would you have thought she was more to blame because she was wearing the lace up boots? She was completely immobilized. He was raping her while she was unconscious. I'm not sure if she had done 200 shots that would have influenced the behavior of the other person who was raping her...

If she drank so much she was unconscious don't you think he was too drunk to notice his date was too drunk. At this point she probably should have been going to the hospital to have her stomach pumped. Was that his responsibility?

If she died would you have blamed him? her sister? the person that forced her to drink ... oh wait she is 24 ... should she be charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor... did she know underage people were drinking....yes of course she did... did she know her date was under 21? and she was drinking with him, even though he was 17....

So to recap this general argument that keeps cropping up:

Emily Doe was drunk, so it's her fault she was raped. She should have been more aware.
Brock was drunk, so it's not his fault he raped someone. He couldn't have been fully aware.

No. let me recap... Emily was drunk and having sex ... Brock was drunk and having sex... .Emily passed out... Brock did not notice.... Brock is a rapist.

I agree he is a rapist.

Emily is >21, Brock is <21, Emily was drinking with Brock... .Emily was contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

There should be a law that if you report your rape while committing a crime you will not be charged, just like if you are committing a crime (drinking) and need to call 911 you to save a life, you will not be charged.

But she was committing a crime, that is all. How many people don't report because they have to admit they were committing a crime.

What a weird, warped person you are.

This is why college campuses should not handle rape case. As you can see from the pages here... people can't handle the truth about rapes. They can't really handle the whole truth.

People get raped all the time while committing a crime... prostitution, drugs, underage drinking... many don't report because of the fact that they think they will get in trouble.

Hey, dumbass. On the scale of severity of crime, rape is way, WAY worse than underage drinking. How dare you even equate the two?

I didn't... but how many straight A, perfect students are afraid to tell their parents they got raped after they drank and smoked pot. Many.

Uh, no. They are not afraid to report because mom is going to be mad they drank. They're afraid to report because of people like you who will say it's their fault or otherwise assign blame or not believe them or take the side of the attacker. Your ignorance is really astounding.

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Anonymous wrote:What if she drank so much that she died. That instead of being unconscious he was actually not moving because she wasn't breathing anymore. He wouldn't have noticed, but would you have thought she was more to blame because she was wearing the lace up boots? She was completely immobilized. He was raping her while she was unconscious. I'm not sure if she had done 200 shots that would have influenced the behavior of the other person who was raping her...

If she drank so much she was unconscious don't you think he was too drunk to notice his date was too drunk. At this point she probably should have been going to the hospital to have her stomach pumped. Was that his responsibility?

If she died would you have blamed him? her sister? the person that forced her to drink ... oh wait she is 24 ... should she be charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor... did she know underage people were drinking....yes of course she did... did she know her date was under 21? and she was drinking with him, even though he was 17....

So to recap this general argument that keeps cropping up:

Emily Doe was drunk, so it's her fault she was raped. She should have been more aware.
Brock was drunk, so it's not his fault he raped someone. He couldn't have been fully aware.

No. let me recap... Emily was drunk and having sex ... Brock was drunk and having sex... .Emily passed out... Brock did not notice.... Brock is a rapist.

I agree he is a rapist.

Emily is >21, Brock is <21, Emily was drinking with Brock... .Emily was contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

There should be a law that if you report your rape while committing a crime you will not be charged, just like if you are committing a crime (drinking) and need to call 911 you to save a life, you will not be charged.

But she was committing a crime, that is all. How many people don't report because they have to admit they were committing a crime.

What a weird, warped person you are.

This is why college campuses should not handle rape case. As you can see from the pages here... people can't handle the truth about rapes. They can't really handle the whole truth.

People get raped all the time while committing a crime... prostitution, drugs, underage drinking... many don't report because of the fact that they think they will get in trouble.

Hey, dumbass. On the scale of severity of crime, rape is way, WAY worse than underage drinking. How dare you even equate the two?

I didn't... but how many straight A, perfect students are afraid to tell their parents they got raped after they drank and smoked pot. Many.

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Anonymous wrote:What if she drank so much that she died. That instead of being unconscious he was actually not moving because she wasn't breathing anymore. He wouldn't have noticed, but would you have thought she was more to blame because she was wearing the lace up boots? She was completely immobilized. He was raping her while she was unconscious. I'm not sure if she had done 200 shots that would have influenced the behavior of the other person who was raping her...

If she drank so much she was unconscious don't you think he was too drunk to notice his date was too drunk. At this point she probably should have been going to the hospital to have her stomach pumped. Was that his responsibility?

If she died would you have blamed him? her sister? the person that forced her to drink ... oh wait she is 24 ... should she be charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor... did she know underage people were drinking....yes of course she did... did she know her date was under 21? and she was drinking with him, even though he was 17....

So to recap this general argument that keeps cropping up:

Emily Doe was drunk, so it's her fault she was raped. She should have been more aware.
Brock was drunk, so it's not his fault he raped someone. He couldn't have been fully aware.

No. let me recap... Emily was drunk and having sex ... Brock was drunk and having sex... .Emily passed out... Brock did not notice.... Brock is a rapist.

I agree he is a rapist.

Emily is >21, Brock is <21, Emily was drinking with Brock... .Emily was contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

There should be a law that if you report your rape while committing a crime you will not be charged, just like if you are committing a crime (drinking) and need to call 911 you to save a life, you will not be charged.

But she was committing a crime, that is all. How many people don't report because they have to admit they were committing a crime.

What a weird, warped person you are.

This is why college campuses should not handle rape case. As you can see from the pages here... people can't handle the truth about rapes. They can't really handle the whole truth.

People get raped all the time while committing a crime... prostitution, drugs, underage drinking... many don't report because of the fact that they think they will get in trouble.

Hey, dumbass. On the scale of severity of crime, rape is way, WAY worse than underage drinking. How dare you even equate the two?

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Anonymous wrote:What if she drank so much that she died. That instead of being unconscious he was actually not moving because she wasn't breathing anymore. He wouldn't have noticed, but would you have thought she was more to blame because she was wearing the lace up boots? She was completely immobilized. He was raping her while she was unconscious. I'm not sure if she had done 200 shots that would have influenced the behavior of the other person who was raping her...

If she drank so much she was unconscious don't you think he was too drunk to notice his date was too drunk. At this point she probably should have been going to the hospital to have her stomach pumped. Was that his responsibility?

If she died would you have blamed him? her sister? the person that forced her to drink ... oh wait she is 24 ... should she be charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor... did she know underage people were drinking....yes of course she did... did she know her date was under 21? and she was drinking with him, even though he was 17....

So to recap this general argument that keeps cropping up:

Emily Doe was drunk, so it's her fault she was raped. She should have been more aware.
Brock was drunk, so it's not his fault he raped someone. He couldn't have been fully aware.

No. let me recap... Emily was drunk and having sex ... Brock was drunk and having sex... .Emily passed out... Brock did not notice.... Brock is a rapist.

I agree he is a rapist.

Emily is >21, Brock is <21, Emily was drinking with Brock... .Emily was contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

There should be a law that if you report your rape while committing a crime you will not be charged, just like if you are committing a crime (drinking) and need to call 911 you to save a life, you will not be charged.

But she was committing a crime, that is all. How many people don't report because they have to admit they were committing a crime.

What a weird, warped person you are.

This is why college campuses should not handle rape case. As you can see from the pages here... people can't handle the truth about rapes. They can't really handle the whole truth.

People get raped all the time while committing a crime... prostitution, drugs, underage drinking... many don't report because of the fact that they think they will get in trouble.

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What exactly are you expecting to happen? You want to be able to stumble bum around black out drunk whenever/wherever you please with the GUARANTEE that nothing bad will happen to you? Ha. Dream on.

Not the PP, but I think the desirable situation would be that if you are stumbling around drunk and someone attacks you, more blame is placed on the attacker than on you. I learned defensive driving in drivers ed. That has been useful on the road when someone is clearly swerving and/or speeding recklessly. If they hit me, though, the reaction is not likely to be, "Did you remember to drive defensively?" as opposed to, "Why was that person driving 115mph and changing lanes?"

It's not BLAME. It's preparing ourselves for the future. You hear about that terrible accident and tell your kids "don't drive recklessly AND do drive defensively." You even might say "there are angry drivers out there, just be cool so you don't trigger road rage."

But if your kid WAS hit by an angry driver and lying in the hospital paralyzed from the waist down would you say, "Well, you really should have been driving defensively. What did you do to make the driver so angry, anyway?"

NO. So why is it okay to do that for rape?

We aren't talking to the victim here. We are preparing our children and ourselves for the world.

So because you want to pretend if you teach enough lessons stuff like this can't happen to your kids, you will withhold empathy from a person to whom it did happen.

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Anonymous wrote:What if she drank so much that she died. That instead of being unconscious he was actually not moving because she wasn't breathing anymore. He wouldn't have noticed, but would you have thought she was more to blame because she was wearing the lace up boots? She was completely immobilized. He was raping her while she was unconscious. I'm not sure if she had done 200 shots that would have influenced the behavior of the other person who was raping her...

If she drank so much she was unconscious don't you think he was too drunk to notice his date was too drunk. At this point she probably should have been going to the hospital to have her stomach pumped. Was that his responsibility?

If she died would you have blamed him? her sister? the person that forced her to drink ... oh wait she is 24 ... should she be charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor... did she know underage people were drinking....yes of course she did... did she know her date was under 21? and she was drinking with him, even though he was 17....

So to recap this general argument that keeps cropping up:

Emily Doe was drunk, so it's her fault she was raped. She should have been more aware.
Brock was drunk, so it's not his fault he raped someone. He couldn't have been fully aware.

No. let me recap... Emily was drunk and having sex ... Brock was drunk and having sex... .Emily passed out... Brock did not notice.... Brock is a rapist.

I agree he is a rapist.

Emily is >21, Brock is <21, Emily was drinking with Brock... .Emily was contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

There should be a law that if you report your rape while committing a crime you will not be charged, just like if you are committing a crime (drinking) and need to call 911 you to save a life, you will not be charged.

But she was committing a crime, that is all. How many people don't report because they have to admit they were committing a crime.

What a weird, warped person you are.

Unless she was actively getting the drinks for him I don't see how she was contributing. All the over 21s at a party are not responsible for who is drinking at said party. Only the host is, no?

[quote=Anonymous]Any normal person without the intent of assault would have noticed that the person who they were with wasn't moving. He had to drag her. She was limp! Even if he was falling over drunk, he would have noticed that. This is coming deep from within his character. Being drunk only made it unvarnished and accessible to him. He may or may not regret it, but she didn't put it inside him. The seed for him was there. It's like saying drinking automatically would turn every man into a rapist. It's just not the case. [/quote]

She walked willingly to the dumpster. He did not drag her. At some point during the sex act she was involved, she was rubbing his back...Emily wrote that in her letter.

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Anonymous wrote:What if she drank so much that she died. That instead of being unconscious he was actually not moving because she wasn't breathing anymore. He wouldn't have noticed, but would you have thought she was more to blame because she was wearing the lace up boots? She was completely immobilized. He was raping her while she was unconscious. I'm not sure if she had done 200 shots that would have influenced the behavior of the other person who was raping her...

If she drank so much she was unconscious don't you think he was too drunk to notice his date was too drunk. At this point she probably should have been going to the hospital to have her stomach pumped. Was that his responsibility?

If she died would you have blamed him? her sister? the person that forced her to drink ... oh wait she is 24 ... should she be charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor... did she know underage people were drinking....yes of course she did... did she know her date was under 21? and she was drinking with him, even though he was 17....

So to recap this general argument that keeps cropping up:

Emily Doe was drunk, so it's her fault she was raped. She should have been more aware.
Brock was drunk, so it's not his fault he raped someone. He couldn't have been fully aware.

No. let me recap... Emily was drunk and having sex ... Brock was drunk and having sex... .Emily passed out... Brock did not notice.... Brock is a rapist.

I agree he is a rapist.

Emily is >21, Brock is <21, Emily was drinking with Brock... .Emily was contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

There should be a law that if you report your rape while committing a crime you will not be charged, just like if you are committing a crime (drinking) and need to call 911 you to save a life, you will not be charged.

But she was committing a crime, that is all. How many people don't report because they have to admit they were committing a crime.

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What exactly are you expecting to happen? You want to be able to stumble bum around black out drunk whenever/wherever you please with the GUARANTEE that nothing bad will happen to you? Ha. Dream on.

Not the PP, but I think the desirable situation would be that if you are stumbling around drunk and someone attacks you, more blame is placed on the attacker than on you. I learned defensive driving in drivers ed. That has been useful on the road when someone is clearly swerving and/or speeding recklessly. If they hit me, though, the reaction is not likely to be, "Did you remember to drive defensively?" as opposed to, "Why was that person driving 115mph and changing lanes?"

It's not BLAME. It's preparing ourselves for the future. You hear about that terrible accident and tell your kids "don't drive recklessly AND do drive defensively." You even might say "there are angry drivers out there, just be cool so you don't trigger road rage."

But if your kid WAS hit by an angry driver and lying in the hospital paralyzed from the waist down would you say, "Well, you really should have been driving defensively. What did you do to make the driver so angry, anyway?"

NO. So why is it okay to do that for rape?

We aren't talking to the victim here. We are preparing our children and ourselves for the world.

[quote=Anonymous]Any normal person without the intent of assault would have noticed that the person who they were with wasn't moving. He had to drag her. She was limp! Even if he was falling over drunk, he would have noticed that. This is coming deep from within his character. Being drunk only made it unvarnished and accessible to him. He may or may not regret it, but she didn't put it inside him. The seed for him was there. It's like saying drinking automatically would turn every man into a rapist. It's just not the case. [/quote]

When was she limp? When exactly was she unconscious?

He dragged her or they both slipped down a hill?

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What exactly are you expecting to happen? You want to be able to stumble bum around black out drunk whenever/wherever you please with the GUARANTEE that nothing bad will happen to you? Ha. Dream on.

Not the PP, but I think the desirable situation would be that if you are stumbling around drunk and someone attacks you, more blame is placed on the attacker than on you. I learned defensive driving in drivers ed. That has been useful on the road when someone is clearly swerving and/or speeding recklessly. If they hit me, though, the reaction is not likely to be, "Did you remember to drive defensively?" as opposed to, "Why was that person driving 115mph and changing lanes?"

It's not BLAME. It's preparing ourselves for the future. You hear about that terrible accident and tell your kids "don't drive recklessly AND do drive defensively." You even might say "there are angry drivers out there, just be cool so you don't trigger road rage."

But if your kid WAS hit by an angry driver and lying in the hospital paralyzed from the waist down would you say, "Well, you really should have been driving defensively. What did you do to make the driver so angry, anyway?"

NO. So why is it okay to do that for rape?

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What exactly are you expecting to happen? You want to be able to stumble bum around black out drunk whenever/wherever you please with the GUARANTEE that nothing bad will happen to you? Ha. Dream on.

Not the PP, but I think the desirable situation would be that if you are stumbling around drunk and someone attacks you, more blame is placed on the attacker than on you. I learned defensive driving in drivers ed. That has been useful on the road when someone is clearly swerving and/or speeding recklessly. If they hit me, though, the reaction is not likely to be, "Did you remember to drive defensively?" as opposed to, "Why was that person driving 115mph and changing lanes?"

It's not BLAME. It's preparing ourselves for the future. You hear about that terrible accident and tell your kids "don't drive recklessly AND do drive defensively." You even might say "there are angry drivers out there, just be cool so you don't trigger road rage."

Any normal person without the intent of assault would have noticed that the person who they were with wasn't moving. He had to drag her. She was limp! Even if he was falling over drunk, he would have noticed that. This is coming deep from within his character. Being drunk only made it unvarnished and accessible to him. He may or may not regret it, but she didn't put it inside him. The seed for him was there. It's like saying drinking automatically would turn every man into a rapist. It's just not the case.