Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 09:32     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests

CC was started by well meaning politicians who wanted to fix education. The result: a mess. The big money publishers got involved with the help of the feds and the result is a mess.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 09:22     Subject: "Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests



This is one of the comments from the youtube video posted by 08:48.

Unfortunately I can see how a person would come to this conclusion given what is going on. The lack of alternatives in education would be appalling.

"This is all being done so that students, teachers, and school systems fail in the assessments. It's all part of a plan so that the government can step in and "Save the Day" after they prove how "flawed" the educational process is. It gives government vindication to say "What you are doing isn't working, so now we're taking control." So after it's all said and done, politicians will pick the winners as far as businesses that provide education products and services. They'll take power and funding away from schools and communities and have it all wrapped up in one neat little (expensive) package for everyone to line up for (because there will be no alternatives). I hate to sound like a kooky conspiracy theorist on this, but it's true. It's all government's way of figuring out how they can micro-manage something else. The more government gets involved in anything, the more poorly executed the project becomes. It'll be an inefficient joke of a process, a waste of money for taxpayers, but, as long as Joe Politician's lobbyists get what they want, it'll be "Great for all of us!". "
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 08:55     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests

http://www.realcleareducation.com/articles/2014/10/28/common_core_education_mapping_testing_in_america_1125.html

I must be naïve. I didn't realize the feds were bankrolling the PARCC tests. So much for this being "grassroots".
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 08:54     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests

Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 08:48     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p29EWYSnoGA

Another teacher rants about the Common Core testing.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 08:21     Subject: "Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests

Anonymous wrote:
If it's accepted and the "status quo", why are states dropping out of it?


For one thing, you can't drop out of something unless you first signed up for it.

Also, which states are dropping out of it? List them, please. Also, for each state, please say what the "dropping out" consists of.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 08:20     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests

Anonymous wrote:

You've got standards and a PARCC test. If the standards are appropriate, how is it that over half the students are failing? And, for Sped students, you have 9 out of 10 failing. Why in the heck are they even taking it?

http://www.smarterbalanced.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Disaggregated-FieldTestDataFINAL.pdf

And I know you're going to say that those Sped students have "bad teachers", right?


If you're talking about the PARCC test, why are you linking to smarterbalanced.org? PARCC and Smarter Balanced are different tests.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2015 08:20     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests

Common Core's website lists the development committees. There are no classroom teachers on them. Enough said.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2015 23:48     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests



You've got standards and a PARCC test. If the standards are appropriate, how is it that over half the students are failing? And, for Sped students, you have 9 out of 10 failing. Why in the heck are they even taking it?

http://www.smarterbalanced.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Disaggregated-FieldTestDataFINAL.pdf



And I know you're going to say that those Sped students have "bad teachers", right?
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2015 23:27     Subject: "Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests

"Common Core is the accepted standard and is the status quo."



If it's accepted and the "status quo", why are states dropping out of it?
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2015 23:03     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests

Anonymous wrote:

don't actually have to show you anything because the burden of proof is on the accuser - which is you - and you've posted nothing of substance other than some halfbaked opinions about a couple of standards proclaiming they are bad for no reason other than that you have poor reading comprehension. You have posted no data, no analysis, no criteria for saying why the standards are bad.


Oh, Honey. You have forgotten the first post on this thread. You are the accuser.



WRONG. You are the ones constantly saying "Common Core is bad/developmentally inappropriate/etc" - those are the accusations on the floor here.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2015 23:02     Subject: "Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests

Common Core is the accepted standard and is the status quo. It is up to the anti-CC folks to make and prove their case via specific details, tangible evidence, data, and analysis. Yet they have consistently failed to do so and instead all they do is attempt to bamboozle, deflect, accuse and raise the same debunked points over and over again. Sorry, but that is not how things work in the real world.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2015 20:22     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests

Anonymous wrote:

This is not a pro-Common Core post.


Precisely. You are pro Common Core, and the first post on this thread was anti Common Core. Therefore, you have to defend your position. You have not succeeded.


What? No, that's not how it works. You stated your position; now you defend your position. The burden of proof is on you to defend your position. (Although I'm not sure what that position is, beyond a generalized opposition to a whole bunch of stuff.)

Similarly, if I started a thread that said, "Teachers participated in the development of the Common Core standards", the burden of proof would be on me to defend this statement.
Anonymous
Post 02/27/2015 19:51     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests


This is not a pro-Common Core post.


Precisely. You are pro Common Core, and the first post on this thread was anti Common Core. Therefore, you have to defend your position. You have not succeeded.




Anonymous
Post 02/27/2015 19:47     Subject: Re:"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests

Anonymous wrote:

don't actually have to show you anything because the burden of proof is on the accuser - which is you - and you've posted nothing of substance other than some halfbaked opinions about a couple of standards proclaiming they are bad for no reason other than that you have poor reading comprehension. You have posted no data, no analysis, no criteria for saying why the standards are bad.


Oh, Honey. You have forgotten the first post on this thread. You are the accuser.



This is the first post in this thread:

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2015/02/10/onsl...-tests-burn-elyria-high-starr/

"I can’t do it anymore, not in this ‘drill ‘em and kill ‘em’ atmosphere,” she said. “I don’t think anyone understands that in this environment if your child cannot quickly grasp material, study like a robot and pass all of these tests, they will not survive.”

The standing-room-only audience at the Elyria Public Library’s West River Road North branch was shocked. Starr fought back tears as she explained her life as a teacher.

The tests are developmentally inappropriate for typical students and torture for those with special needs, she said. And, even an individual education plan is not enough to shield students from the rigors of state expectations.


This is not a pro-Common Core post.