Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A couple cases in the service sector population and we have real problem.

Trying to avoid quarantine b/c can't afford to miss work.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/29/nyregion/unease-lingers-in-the-bronx-despite-a-boys-negative-ebola-test-.html

If there was ever a time for national requirement for sick leave THIS IS IT.

We should declare some kind of state of emergency and pay for these people to have a nice three week vacation.

I was not advocating quarantine, that only works when you have known contacts and good tracing. I'm saying if the bowling alley attendant gets feverish he will likely go to work still b/c not doing so means not getting paid. And this he is out in public while contagious. If folks had paid sick days, when they were sick and feverish they would stay home.

If your are home 3 weeks with a fever, Ebola or not, that is no vacation.

document link http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2014/10/28/state-department-memo-on-ebola-policies/

The US has 11 beds in bio containment units:
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/us-capacity-11-ebola-patients-specialized-hospitals/story?id=26251721

Anonymous wrote:A couple cases in the service sector population and we have real problem.

Trying to avoid quarantine b/c can't afford to miss work.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/29/nyregion/unease-lingers-in-the-bronx-despite-a-boys-negative-ebola-test-.html

If there was ever a time for national requirement for sick leave THIS IS IT.

We should declare some kind of state of emergency and pay for these people to have a nice three week vacation.

Let me reiterate an earlier post I made in this thread. Political posts belong in the Politics Forum. I haven't been reading this thread lately, but see that it has been almost completely taken over by political posts. If that continues to be the case, i am going to lock this thread. Please keep this thread to medical and news related posts only.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't you love the knee-jerk reaction to anything remotely associated with Fox News by people on this site - even when it turns out to be true?

So, true. I credit this reaction to the fact that Fox seems to be about the only source of news that reports items which are not so glowing to our dear President. The network news stations and some of the other cable networks cannot bring themselves to tell the truth. When they do cover negative stories about Obama, they don’t stick with the story - it may get 10 seconds, and then it’s gone. I just know that when Obama-supporters have this reaction, Fox is doing something right.

Opinion =/= news

They're selling entertainment, and you're buying it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obama is working to bring non-US citizens with ebola to the US for treatment.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/28/lawmaker-claims-plans-may-be-in-pipeline-to-bring-non-citizens-to-us-for-ebola/

Total and complete BS. A right wing congressman starting a rumor that Fox News is spreading. Simply not true.

Really?
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/10/confirmed-state-dept-memo-shows-obama-admin-is-going-to-move-ebola-patients-to-us-video/

And, lest you still think that it is just a BS story because it was told by a conservative, here is the memo:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2014/10/28/state-department-memo-on-ebola-policies/

So, that memo basically says that we need to clarify policy on the issue of whether or not we allow people who are citizens of other countries to be brought here. I would think that if there was anything we'd have consensus about across the aisle, the fact that we need to make policy it this area would be it. Are the Republicans arguing that we shouldn't think about the question of what to say if we're asked to accept a non-citizen.

The memo then goes on to clarify that they aren't asking whether the US should pay, that it's clear they shouldn't. Again, do the Republicans disagree with that point?

Finally, the memo lists 2 examples of people we might want to consider allowing into the country (note: it doesn't say that we should or shouldn't, it gives examples to consider).

1) Health care workers who are American Permanent Residents, and who work for American Organizations, or organizations with close ties to the American government. For example, we have NIH scientists who were educated in the US, live in the US, but still hold passports from their countries of birth. Let's say one of them is an ebola expert. He/she travels to Guinea and contracts the disease. Do we wash our hands of him/her? Do we let him/her, and his/her expertise and knowledge die? How is that furthering the fight against Ebola? How is that keeping the US and its citizens safe?

2) Employees of the American embassies abroad. If someone contracts a potentially fatal illness while serving our country, do we have a responsibility to try to save their lives? In the past the US government has answered "yes" to similar questions, for example we've granted transportation and asylum to US embassy employees when we pulled out of Saigon after the Vietnam war.

I'm not saying there's a right answer to these questions, but I can't understand the idea that asking them is wrong. Are people really saying we should stick our heads in the sand and not think about what to do if something happens to one of these people?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't you love the knee-jerk reaction to anything remotely associated with Fox News by people on this site - even when it turns out to be true?

So, true. I credit this reaction to the fact that Fox seems to be about the only source of news that reports items which are not so glowing to our dear President. The network news stations and some of the other cable networks cannot bring themselves to tell the truth. When they do cover negative stories about Obama, they don’t stick with the story - it may get 10 seconds, and then it’s gone. I just know that when Obama-supporters have this reaction, Fox is doing something right.

Media has seen what has happened to those critical of this administration. Others don't want to see the first black president as anything but who they want him to be, so tgey aviid unpleasant truths.

Breitbart is constantly attacked and are usually correct. They are not afraid and are very well-researched

Anonymous wrote:Don't you love the knee-jerk reaction to anything remotely associated with Fox News by people on this site - even when it turns out to be true?

So, true. I credit this reaction to the fact that Fox seems to be about the only source of news that reports items which are not so glowing to our dear President. The network news stations and some of the other cable networks cannot bring themselves to tell the truth. When they do cover negative stories about Obama, they don’t stick with the story - it may get 10 seconds, and then it’s gone. I just know that when Obama-supporters have this reaction, Fox is doing something right.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obama is working to bring non-US citizens with ebola to the US for treatment.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/28/lawmaker-claims-plans-may-be-in-pipeline-to-bring-non-citizens-to-us-for-ebola/

Total and complete BS. A right wing congressman starting a rumor that Fox News is spreading. Simply not true.

Really?
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/10/confirmed-state-dept-memo-shows-obama-admin-is-going-to-move-ebola-patients-to-us-video/

And, lest you still think that it is just a BS story because it was told by a conservative, here is the memo:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2014/10/28/state-department-memo-on-ebola-policies/

They're working on it or it was in a memo?

Slanted "news" sources shouldn't be trusted to tell you the real story. I don't care which direction it leans. They all sound paranoid and ignorant.

Anonymous wrote:The main thing that will turn ebola into an even bigger threat is allowing our elected officials to turn this public health issue into a civil rights issue.

ITA. It's really drawing attention away from the issue. Which would be something about Ebola being expensive, messy, and risky.

Meanwhile, http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/28/state-department-plans-to-bring-foreign-ebola-pati/?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The main thing that will turn ebola into an even bigger threat is allowing our elected officials to turn this public health issue into a civil rights issue.

He needs to be impeached

Take your crazy shit to the politics forum.

Anonymous wrote:The main thing that will turn ebola into an even bigger threat is allowing our elected officials to turn this public health issue into a civil rights issue.

He needs to be impeached

Anonymous wrote:Don't you love the knee-jerk reaction to anything remotely associated with Fox News by people on this site - even when it turns out to be true?

Im so used tp the denial by now, I just view it as ignorance

Don't you love the knee-jerk reaction to anything remotely associated with Fox News by people on this site - even when it turns out to be true?

I'm really trying not to be alarmist, but quarantining health workers coming from West Africa seems absolutely necessary. It seems like the rate of infection is fairly high among these workers. It's too much just to assume that they will self-isolate the minute they get symptoms. They need to stay home for three weeks. And they CERTAINLY should not be treating patients during that time!

I think the people arguing that this will dissuade health care workers from going to W. Africa have it 100% wrong. We need more people to go over there, and we need to set up a safe and robust infrastructure for them to do so. That includes quarantine when they come back. MSF already tells them not to go back to work for 21 days, so it's not like this is adding any more time off the job for them.

For US health care workers, based on the record so far, it seems like in adequately prepared hospitals the infection rate is extremely low - no infections from any of the top hospitals yet. We'll see what happens in Bellevue, but for now, seems like those workers don't need to be quarantined. However, it seems also like a no-brainer that they should not be seeing other non-Ebola patients while they are on Ebola duty and for 21 days after.