Anonymous wrote:PRA has no criminal statute... crickets

read the indictment, there are cites to statutes for every single count

Current President took bribes... crickets

source? the house promised to investigate everything, surely they found something and issued a report?

7 years and counting after beating Madame... Lock him up!

Trump's DoJ had 4 years. All they got was an independent counsel who charged two people and lost both cases in humiliating fashion

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Anonymous wrote:A thorough debunking of the bonkers PRA theory Trump keeps stomping his feet about, by a guy righties really like.

This lays it out well.

Judicial Watch and other MAGA pundits claiming PRA and Presidential authority are once again exposed to be peddling outright and outrageous lies.

Tom Fitton has performed a great service to the nation in stupidly advising Trump to commit blatant conspiracy and obstruction of Justice instead of taking his lawyers advice to negotiate a deal to return the documents. Trump will always take bad advice from an incompetent fraud over good advice from a knowledgeable expert.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it will be akin to a miracle if we through this with real and meaningful law-imposed consequences for Trump and not a civil war. I think somehow he'll get away with it. And if he doesn't, I think shit will get worse in other ways.

Buckle-up.

I agree with the first part of your sentence, but not the second.

1. I do not think Trump will ever see the inside of a jail cell. The Archives and the DOJ have *already* bent over backwards to afford special privileges to this person, on account that he's a former President. Even if he's not President in 2024 and the jury is not hung, they will not dare send him to jail. Much will be made of his political stature, his age, his health, etc, and somehow he'll wiggle out of it.

2. But I don't believe there will be a civil war or any protest resembling Jan 6 - word on right-wing networks is that the government is out to get them, and since the Proud Boys and Oath Breakers have been guillotined, and people have been found guilty of Sedition, they're all pretty terrified of retribution right now. What could happen is lone wolf acts of terrorism on FBI offices or courts, which is why Willis has asked staff to work from home in August.


So... it will be more boring than we think. Which might be a good thing, long-term?

I think that he will be convicted because I believe the trial will bring out treasonous behavior on his part and even MAGA morons can understand this. Trump makes money from everything he can and he surely sold some of the information in the classified documents Also, he didn't just shoot himself in the foot at his diatribe on Tuesday evening, he gave himself a mortal wound. He essentially admitted that he knew all the documents were classified. I hope he keeps on ranting. (His newest enemies are the "mutants", whoever they are!)

Trump will skip the country before trial goes to a verdict. He is a coward snivelling.

Anonymous wrote:A thorough debunking of the bonkers PRA theory Trump keeps stomping his feet about, by a guy righties really like.

This lays it out well.

Judicial Watch and other MAGA pundits claiming PRA and Presidential authority are once again exposed to be peddling outright and outrageous lies.

A thorough debunking of the bonkers PRA theory Trump keeps stomping his feet about, by a guy righties really like.

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Anonymous wrote:NYT article:

As Archives Leans on Ex-Presidents, Its Only Weapon Is ‘Please’:

The National Archives does not have any independent ability to enforce its request that former presidents and vice presidents scour their documents for classified material.

So the question is, how did the DOJ get involved? Biden had Trump’s executive privilege waived through Jonathan Su. So when Joe said that he wasn’t involved with this, he’s a liar.

Get a grip. Trump is playing fast and loose with the highest level national security information. Trump doesn’t have executive privilege. What delusional world do you live in?

Biden agreed to provide Congress with records pertaining to Jan 6. Trump tried to assert communication privilege under the Presidential records act to keep those records from reaching Congress. Biden overruled him. Courts agreed based on a decision from Nixon's post presidency. Biden also decided not to provide Trump with daily briefings due to his erratic behavior leading up to Jan 6.

None of that has anything to do with what Trump has been indicted for.

As for the DOJ you can read all about it here: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/22186883-archivist-letter-on-trump-documents
1. Thru 2021 NARA was asking Trump about what appeared to be missing documents
2. January 2022 Trump gives NARA 15 boxes which turn out to include top secret and other classified materials
3. NARA tells DOJ there were classified records in the boxes returned by Trump
4. DOJ wants to review those records, but has to ask the current President for permission to review them
5. White House counsel formally transmitted that request to the NARA with no objections
6. Trump's lawyers wanted to review the material themselves
7. White House Counsel allowed a 4 week extension for FI to review the records
8. Corcoran wanted more time (past April 29, 2022)
9. The Counsel to the President has informed me (acting archivist) that, in light of the particular circumstances presented here, President Biden defers to my determination, in consultation with the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel, regarding whether or not I should uphold the former President’s purported “protective assertion of executive privilege.”See36 C.F.R. § 1270.44(f)(3). Accordingly, I have consulted with the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel to inform my “determination as to whether to honor the former President’s claim of privilege or instead to disclose the Presidential records notwithstanding the claim of privilege.” Exec. Order No. 13,489, § 4(a).
10. Based on a denial of Nixon post presidency exec privilege claims decided in the courts at that time, the DOJ rejected Trump's privilege claims.
11. Archivist further explains that a request like Trump's has never been made before but they can refer his lawyers fr help getting security clearances if they also want to review the docs.

Basically, Biden (legally and properly) decided Trump was too much of a loose cannon to trust with NEW security information, and for the rest of it he stood aside and let the NARA and DOJ and White House Counsel do their job.

Trump's only legal standing once he was no longer president (he wasn't, in case you forgot), was to be nice, trustworthy, and say please, none of which he knows how to do.

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Folks, it’s pretty clear that he wanted to be indicted, as it was the best advertisement for his newest grievance-based campaign for re-election.

He wants this in order to turn his rabid base against the institutions of this country. The guy is an anarchist on the payroll of foreign adversaries.

Hahahahahahaha

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Anonymous wrote:Is the trial likely to occur before or after the 2024 election?

If Cannon lets Trump delay this trial, the Georgia election fraud conspiracy trial and/or the federal January 6 election fraud insurrection conspiracy trial could happen first.

I don't see how they can delay this trial much. They spent all that time with the Special Master to sort through the documents. I'm sure the Feds are ready to turn over all of the interviews and supporting evidence they collected. Trump has representation that has been involved in the documents issue since May of 2021. That's two years!

The feds want this to move fast. And that is actually the opposite of politicizing it - politicizing it would be to instead delay and drag the trial out into the timeframe leading into campaigns and primaries. They are not doing that. An example of politicizing it would be the timing in the "but her emails" chain of events. The proposed federal timelines are more than fair.

If the trial happens before the election and Trump is convicted, then what happens?

Let's see how well he can campaign from behind bars

Of course, if he is acquitted he could dance around and say he was unfairly charged. If he's so sure he's innocent, he should want to get this over with so he can do that. Wonder why he's not pushing for that?

Did you read the indictment? There is no way he will be acquitted. It's not possible. Smith is an excellent prosecutor, and that indictment was very, very bad for the Cheato. (BTW, the jumpsuit will go with his skin.)

But that judge.

He always finds a way to wriggle out of consequences!

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Anonymous wrote:Is the trial likely to occur before or after the 2024 election?

If Cannon lets Trump delay this trial, the Georgia election fraud conspiracy trial and/or the federal January 6 election fraud insurrection conspiracy trial could happen first.

I don't see how they can delay this trial much. They spent all that time with the Special Master to sort through the documents. I'm sure the Feds are ready to turn over all of the interviews and supporting evidence they collected. Trump has representation that has been involved in the documents issue since May of 2021. That's two years!

The feds want this to move fast. And that is actually the opposite of politicizing it - politicizing it would be to instead delay and drag the trial out into the timeframe leading into campaigns and primaries. They are not doing that. An example of politicizing it would be the timing in the "but her emails" chain of events. The proposed federal timelines are more than fair.

If the trial happens before the election and Trump is convicted, then what happens?

Let's see how well he can campaign from behind bars

If he goes to jail, does he still get SS protection? Just wondering if the SS have to go to jail with him.

With the caveat that I didn't think DOJ would have the guts to indict him so maybe don't bank on my predictions, but - if he is convicted - and that's a big if, I think he gets house arrest. Which is fine, really, because he doesn't like to go anywhere. But I think this ends in a hung jury if it ever gets to a jury. I actually think this judge is going to dismiss the case, or parts of it. Not because I think it's a weak case, but because she will defer to Trump in all things.

I also think he gets a different lawyer for trial - a big time criminal defense attorney just for trial.

Anonymous wrote:NYT article:

As Archives Leans on Ex-Presidents, Its Only Weapon Is ‘Please’:

The National Archives does not have any independent ability to enforce its request that former presidents and vice presidents scour their documents for classified material.

So the question is, how did the DOJ get involved? Biden had Trump’s executive privilege waived through Jonathan Su. So when Joe said that he wasn’t involved with this, he’s a liar.

Get a grip. Trump is playing fast and loose with the highest level national security information. Trump doesn’t have executive privilege. What delusional world do you live in?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it will be akin to a miracle if we through this with real and meaningful law-imposed consequences for Trump and not a civil war. I think somehow he'll get away with it. And if he doesn't, I think shit will get worse in other ways.

Buckle-up.

I agree with the first part of your sentence, but not the second.

1. I do not think Trump will ever see the inside of a jail cell. The Archives and the DOJ have *already* bent over backwards to afford special privileges to this person, on account that he's a former President. Even if he's not President in 2024 and the jury is not hung, they will not dare send him to jail. Much will be made of his political stature, his age, his health, etc, and somehow he'll wiggle out of it.

2. But I don't believe there will be a civil war or any protest resembling Jan 6 - word on right-wing networks is that the government is out to get them, and since the Proud Boys and Oath Breakers have been guillotined, and people have been found guilty of Sedition, they're all pretty terrified of retribution right now. What could happen is lone wolf acts of terrorism on FBI offices or courts, which is why Willis has asked staff to work from home in August.


So... it will be more boring than we think. Which might be a good thing, long-term?

You're right that he won't go to the same jail that regular people go to when they violate the espionage act which is solitary confinement in max security. Trump will end up at one of these white collar federal "prison" farms where his friends can come visit whenever and his secret service detail can lounge around with him.

Anonymous wrote:I think it will be akin to a miracle if we through this with real and meaningful law-imposed consequences for Trump and not a civil war. I think somehow he'll get away with it. And if he doesn't, I think shit will get worse in other ways.

Buckle-up.

I agree with the first part of your sentence, but not the second.

1. I do not think Trump will ever see the inside of a jail cell. The Archives and the DOJ have *already* bent over backwards to afford special privileges to this person, on account that he's a former President. Even if he's not President in 2024 and the jury is not hung, they will not dare send him to jail. Much will be made of his political stature, his age, his health, etc, and somehow he'll wiggle out of it.

2. But I don't believe there will be a civil war or any protest resembling Jan 6 - word on right-wing networks is that the government is out to get them, and since the Proud Boys and Oath Breakers have been guillotined, and people have been found guilty of Sedition, they're all pretty terrified of retribution right now. What could happen is lone wolf acts of terrorism on FBI offices or courts, which is why Willis has asked staff to work from home in August.


So... it will be more boring than we think. Which might be a good thing, long-term?

I think it will be akin to a miracle if we through this with real and meaningful law-imposed consequences for Trump and not a civil war. I think somehow he'll get away with it. And if he doesn't, I think shit will get worse in other ways.

Buckle-up.