Anonymous wrote:Oddly enough, all of the conversation about gaming the system would seem to be a decent argument for reinstituting teacher recommendations into the process.

While they are subject to some level of bias, a well-trained admissions reader should be able to adjust for that possibility and would be able to provide valuable insight into the actual circumstances of each student, especially with regard to "experience factors".

Part of the bias was who the Teachers would write recommendations for. There seemed to be an issue with Teachers not being willing to write recommendations for URM. I have no clue if the kids that were asking for the recommendations were good students or were similar in their grades and in class performance to White and Asian kids, but there was an issue with getting the recommendations written in the first place.

I also find it interesting that there is an entire "Get rid of GBRS because the Teachers don't know what they are talking about" for AAP, complete with a "The Teachers don't like Asian students so their GBRSs are tanked" movement but that Teacher Recommendations are part of the solution for TJ.

Maybe the middle ground is that GBRS are done for every applicant at TJ, so that the same format and areas are taken into consideration and weighed for all the students applying. That at least removes the possibility of Teachers not writing recommendations for kids who are interested and the GBRS can be structured to focus only on in school performance and not include outside enrichment activities/awards.

Oddly enough, all of the conversation about gaming the system would seem to be a decent argument for reinstituting teacher recommendations into the process.

While they are subject to some level of bias, a well-trained admissions reader should be able to adjust for that possibility and would be able to provide valuable insight into the actual circumstances of each student, especially with regard to "experience factors".

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Anonymous wrote:Have they ever defined what "experience" means?

I have a first grader starting in FCPS this fall, and we've checked ESL and "multiracial" on her paperwork just because we could. Our older child was listed as white and a native English speaker simply because we didn't think it'd matter.

This is what will happen more and more.

People respond to incentives and “just because we could”. This is why CRT falls apart incredibly quickly.

If you can pick what gender you are, why can’t you pick what race you are? Or if you are ESL? It’s ridiculous and I don’t agree with it, but people will always respond to incentives and policy makers are short sighted to think they can slice and dice without people changing how they classify their children.

policy makers took into account unethical practices by families gaming admission, but didn't realize just how low they will sink?

It's not really unethical as much as it is a response to external stimuli. We are a trilingual household. FCPS says (in a completely ridiculous move) that a child is ESL if ANYONE in the household speaks a language other than English. Ergo, I break no rules in ticking an ESL box for my child, and now that there are potential benefits attached to this class, I'll make sure it's ticked.

Same with the multiracial class - my DH is brown as could be and therefore DD is obviously multiracial. I mean you aren't dealing with a family of two Finns here.

They will look at whether a child received ESL services, not at self-identification. As for identifying as multiracial, have at it. Race is not one of the factors being considered. Now, one thing you could do is move into an economically diverse neighborhood and hope for the best. That's probably the most effective way to increase your child's chances of being accepted. Of course, then you would have to be in a school community with actual multiracial families, and put your kids in a classroom with students who receive ELL services.

Who the hell are you to decide who is a real multiracial family!!!

The PP flat-out said that they were only marking mutliracial for admissions advantage, and that they had always checked white in the past. So I think we can feel comfortable saying that whatever a multiracial family is, a family that is white on every single form up until the day it helps competitive HS admissions isn't it.

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Give it time, dear. NYC's Stuyvesant is like 75-80% Asian and the fact that half of them live at the poverty level doesn't stop the attacks claiming Asian privilege.

Folks on this board love to compare TJ to Stuyvesant despite the fact that the Asian American community in NYC is wildly different, demographically and economically, than the Asian American community in NoVa. You can't claim marginalization just because a some folks whose parents came from the same landmass than yours happen to be poor in a totally different city.

Sure, let's pretend that it's a complete coincidence that Asians dominate two of some of the most selective public schools in America. Yes, the Asians at Stuy have nothing in common with Asians at TJ.

Let's also pretend that the Asian domination at Stuy causes no controversy whatsoever, or that their poverty level shields them from the attacks from equity advocates.

Stuyvesant is basically proof that Asian Americans are not allowed to succeed. Asians Americans in NYC are poor as dirt. Yet, they still get vilified, and they still have a BOE that's hostile to them.

Would TJ and Stuyvesant get nearly as much hate if they were say 70% Latinos? I suspect not. Rather, I think the BOEs would be celebrating the success of Latinos in their school districts.

If Asian Americans at Stuyvesant can't be celebrated then under what scenario can the success of Asian Americans be celebrated?

Never. Everyone discriminates against Asians. Did anyone see the controversy last night about the way that newsman spoke about that Asian MLB player (Ohtani?) yesterday? He was disparaging him because he needs an interpreter for interviews, saying it's bad for MLB because people don't want to see that. I guarantee no one would ever say that about the Hispanic MLB players that have needed interpreters. People who claim they're not racist have no qualms about being racist toward Asians.

Okay, so this is why folks can't take you seriously. Yes, those comments were reprehensible. They were called out as reprehensible by lots of folks, most of whom were not Asian.

At the same time, sportscasters make racist comments about Hispanic players ALL THE TIME. All. The. Time. But, sure, Asian Americans are the only minority to ever experience discrimination in the United States.

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/08/how-mlb-announcers-favor-american-players-over-foreign-ones/261265/

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The middle school you attend plays a very significant role in admissions

Carson, Longfellow, Kilmer, and Rocky Run MS now admit students at lower rates

This new admission process is totally unfair towards kids from AAP center schools. For example it is much more difficult to make the cut off in Carson (AAP center) than in Franklin (base school) due to higher competition. Except for may be 3 or 4 AAP kids from my kids elementary school, who chose to go to Franklin (for personal reasons), all of the 100+ kids from AAP class went to Carson, which is the default. I wish the admission process is based on 'base' middle school instead of the school they actually attend.

To understand the competition, I believe around 50% of my kids AAP class qualified for presidential medal (names announced at 6th grade graduation ceremony) where as the less than 10% of PBL class got it. In addition, AAP kids participate at much higher rate of participation in most of the STEM activities/fairs, digital leadership, writing etc compared non AAP kids.

For the sake of the argument, How do you feel NASA reserving 4 research slots to top two students from MIT and top two students from Liberty University with out taking individual merit into consideration? Do you consider it is fair to rest of the MIT class who also wanted to get into NASA but lose out to Liberty?

easy solution - don't go to a center. For the sake of argument, this is a public high school, not NASA

There are AAP center middle schools?

Yep, the hothouse flowers are kept away from the masses through 8th grade

Yep, all the middle schools that traditionally send more students to TJ are AAP center schools i.e., Carson, Longfellow etc. The new admission process is only fair if kids do have a choice to go to either base school or center school and all middle schools offer all the courses/electives/activities equally. Regarding earlier post about 'don't go to a center' - This would apply if your kid is in currently elementary school, which I assume is true and thats why you care less. What if your kid is already in the middle school? Do you want to change the school now? In any case, TJ doesn't matter in the long run.

Families have a choice to send their kids to their base school or the AAP Center. If you choose to go tot he Center, then that is the school you are at and that is the group you are competing to be in that 1.5%. No one has to attend the AAP Center, it is a choice.

If this puts some pressure for parents to not send their kids to the Center and to stay at their base school, then ok. Hopefully that means that the cohort of bright, capable kids at the base school will grow and benefit the school as a whole. That is not a bad outcome. If you are moving your kid to the Center because you don’t like the after school options and and other opportunities at the base school, well, that probably points to why the base school doesn’t send as many kids to TJ. Arguing that your choice to leave the base school, in search of better opportunities at the AAP Center, kind of defeats the argument that all the MS are providing enough opportunities for kids to do well at TJ.

What if the student already made choice to go to center school last year or year before and currently in middle school? Isn’t it a lost opportunity for them? The ‘choice’ makes sense to students who are currently in elementary school. I wouldn’t be complaining if my kid is in elementary school as he would have had a option to go to base school if he wanted to.

The only kids impacted by that were the kids this year, next years class can choose to return to their base school right now. Given that there are people talking about renting apartments and moving their kids to a new school next year, this option should be even easier for you since you live in the base schools area.

I don't know about that, but I find it hard to believe that a race-blind admissions that grants group that makes up 10% of the population 70% of the seats, is being discriminated against.

Anonymous wrote:what about height? I am short and it has made a huge difference to my access to opportunities. Unfortunately I passed on my shorty gene to my son and he'll face discrimination too. Should be get extra points in the social engineering equation? what about the rich black kid? should we have the poor white kid and not give any experience marks for the rich black kid? I think the formula will declare error there...I hope you all like where this is going

Race is not one of the experience factors. So, a rich, native English speaking, Black kid in an affluent neighborhood would not receive points under this system. A poor white kid would.

Ok.

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Anonymous wrote:Have they ever defined what "experience" means?

I have a first grader starting in FCPS this fall, and we've checked ESL and "multiracial" on her paperwork just because we could. Our older child was listed as white and a native English speaker simply because we didn't think it'd matter.

This is what will happen more and more.

People respond to incentives and “just because we could”. This is why CRT falls apart incredibly quickly.

If you can pick what gender you are, why can’t you pick what race you are? Or if you are ESL? It’s ridiculous and I don’t agree with it, but people will always respond to incentives and policy makers are short sighted to think they can slice and dice without people changing how they classify their children.

policy makers took into account unethical practices by families gaming admission, but didn't realize just how low they will sink?

It's not really unethical as much as it is a response to external stimuli. We are a trilingual household. FCPS says (in a completely ridiculous move) that a child is ESL if ANYONE in the household speaks a language other than English. Ergo, I break no rules in ticking an ESL box for my child, and now that there are potential benefits attached to this class, I'll make sure it's ticked.

Same with the multiracial class - my DH is brown as could be and therefore DD is obviously multiracial. I mean you aren't dealing with a family of two Finns here.

They will look at whether a child received ESL services, not at self-identification. As for identifying as multiracial, have at it. Race is not one of the factors being considered. Now, one thing you could do is move into an economically diverse neighborhood and hope for the best. That's probably the most effective way to increase your child's chances of being accepted. Of course, then you would have to be in a school community with actual multiracial families, and put your kids in a classroom with students who receive ELL services.

Who the hell are you to decide who is a real multiracial family!!!

The person you're responding to thinks you aren't multiracial if you aren't poor. And they probably think that white/Asian is not a real "multiracial" mix. Neither is white/Arab or Arab/Asian.

I go by what they mark on the census. If you always claim to be white, your are white when its time to be admitted to TJ.

Children don't mark anything on the census.

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I have a first grader starting in FCPS this fall, and we've checked ESL and "multiracial" on her paperwork just because we could. Our older child was listed as white and a native English speaker simply because we didn't think it'd matter.

This is what will happen more and more.

People respond to incentives and “just because we could”. This is why CRT falls apart incredibly quickly.

If you can pick what gender you are, why can’t you pick what race you are? Or if you are ESL? It’s ridiculous and I don’t agree with it, but people will always respond to incentives and policy makers are short sighted to think they can slice and dice without people changing how they classify their children.

policy makers took into account unethical practices by families gaming admission, but didn't realize just how low they will sink?

It's not really unethical as much as it is a response to external stimuli. We are a trilingual household. FCPS says (in a completely ridiculous move) that a child is ESL if ANYONE in the household speaks a language other than English. Ergo, I break no rules in ticking an ESL box for my child, and now that there are potential benefits attached to this class, I'll make sure it's ticked.

Same with the multiracial class - my DH is brown as could be and therefore DD is obviously multiracial. I mean you aren't dealing with a family of two Finns here.

They will look at whether a child received ESL services, not at self-identification. As for identifying as multiracial, have at it. Race is not one of the factors being considered. Now, one thing you could do is move into an economically diverse neighborhood and hope for the best. That's probably the most effective way to increase your child's chances of being accepted. Of course, then you would have to be in a school community with actual multiracial families, and put your kids in a classroom with students who receive ELL services.

Who the hell are you to decide who is a real multiracial family!!!

The person you're responding to thinks you aren't multiracial if you aren't poor. And they probably think that white/Asian is not a real "multiracial" mix. Neither is white/Arab or Arab/Asian.

I go by what they mark on the census. If you always claim to be white, your are white when its time to be admitted to TJ.

I knew someone would say this - move to base school now. 😅 We are debating this, but my kid signed up certain continued electives which he planned carefully and then all his friends are in AAP center school. My kid currently not showing interest since if he doesn’t get into TJ from base school, he would be giving up all for nothing. It would have been an easier choice for his class/friends last year. Again, you could say friends come and go and electives don’t matter etc. I know you wouldn’t understand where we are coming from as I am sure your kid is either not in middle school or in base school. I hope this leads to getting rid of AAP centers in middle schools, so kids aren’t required to make this choice. My personal opinion, TJ is just a hype, it doesn’t really matter much in the long run. If kids are motivated, they can do well in any school (I still think AAP matters due to accelerated math). It is just unfortunate that some parents and kids have play games to change schools to gain advantage, and it reflects bad on the admission process.

There were pros and cons for moving to an AAP Center before this new rule came into play, I am going to go out on a limb that most families are aware that their chances of getting into TJ from any of the Center schools, even before the rule change, was still small. Lots of kids were not accepted under the old rules. The new rules shift the effected schools around a bit.

Parents should be making decisions based on what they think is best for their child. TJ is a great option but it is not the end all and be all. Kids who have high grades and lots of STEM interest were not accepted into TJ and have done very well at their base school. The same will be true for kids this year and next year. If parents think their kids are better off at an AAP Center for MS because of the cohort or the extra curricular activities or the Teachers or whatever reason, they should go to the Center because they think that is important.

The reality is that trying to game the system by being one of the top 8 students at a MS in order to get into TJ is going to be harder then people think. Because there are smart kids who stay at the base schools. Because there will be families who choose to send their kid to the base instead of the Center. Because some people are likely to try the move their kid for 8th grade hoping to be one of the top 8. So I guess The odds might be better to be in the top 8 but it is no guarantee. But I suspect that there are going to be parents who do try and game the system next year and are going to be disappointed that it didn’t work and regret losing a year at a MS that they deem superior.

I also suspect that ELL are kids who have spent time in ESL classes during their career, not just kids who are from a bilingual family. That is easy enough to verify by looking at school records. I have no clue how the schools determine who is on FARMs but I don’t think that I can just check a box and say my kid is FARMs and he is added to the FARMs list. The IEP/504 route is not easy to fake or game so is going to be a non-starter.

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I have a first grader starting in FCPS this fall, and we've checked ESL and "multiracial" on her paperwork just because we could. Our older child was listed as white and a native English speaker simply because we didn't think it'd matter.

This is what will happen more and more.

People respond to incentives and “just because we could”. This is why CRT falls apart incredibly quickly.

If you can pick what gender you are, why can’t you pick what race you are? Or if you are ESL? It’s ridiculous and I don’t agree with it, but people will always respond to incentives and policy makers are short sighted to think they can slice and dice without people changing how they classify their children.

policy makers took into account unethical practices by families gaming admission, but didn't realize just how low they will sink?

It's not really unethical as much as it is a response to external stimuli. We are a trilingual household. FCPS says (in a completely ridiculous move) that a child is ESL if ANYONE in the household speaks a language other than English. Ergo, I break no rules in ticking an ESL box for my child, and now that there are potential benefits attached to this class, I'll make sure it's ticked.

Same with the multiracial class - my DH is brown as could be and therefore DD is obviously multiracial. I mean you aren't dealing with a family of two Finns here.

They will look at whether a child received ESL services, not at self-identification. As for identifying as multiracial, have at it. Race is not one of the factors being considered. Now, one thing you could do is move into an economically diverse neighborhood and hope for the best. That's probably the most effective way to increase your child's chances of being accepted. Of course, then you would have to be in a school community with actual multiracial families, and put your kids in a classroom with students who receive ELL services.

Who the hell are you to decide who is a real multiracial family!!!

The person you're responding to thinks you aren't multiracial if you aren't poor. And they probably think that white/Asian is not a real "multiracial" mix. Neither is white/Arab or Arab/Asian.

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The middle school you attend plays a very significant role in admissions

Carson, Longfellow, Kilmer, and Rocky Run MS now admit students at lower rates

This new admission process is totally unfair towards kids from AAP center schools. For example it is much more difficult to make the cut off in Carson (AAP center) than in Franklin (base school) due to higher competition. Except for may be 3 or 4 AAP kids from my kids elementary school, who chose to go to Franklin (for personal reasons), all of the 100+ kids from AAP class went to Carson, which is the default. I wish the admission process is based on 'base' middle school instead of the school they actually attend.

To understand the competition, I believe around 50% of my kids AAP class qualified for presidential medal (names announced at 6th grade graduation ceremony) where as the less than 10% of PBL class got it. In addition, AAP kids participate at much higher rate of participation in most of the STEM activities/fairs, digital leadership, writing etc compared non AAP kids.

For the sake of the argument, How do you feel NASA reserving 4 research slots to top two students from MIT and top two students from Liberty University with out taking individual merit into consideration? Do you consider it is fair to rest of the MIT class who also wanted to get into NASA but lose out to Liberty?

easy solution - don't go to a center. For the sake of argument, this is a public high school, not NASA

There are AAP center middle schools?

Yep, the hothouse flowers are kept away from the masses through 8th grade

Yep, all the middle schools that traditionally send more students to TJ are AAP center schools i.e., Carson, Longfellow etc. The new admission process is only fair if kids do have a choice to go to either base school or center school and all middle schools offer all the courses/electives/activities equally. Regarding earlier post about 'don't go to a center' - This would apply if your kid is in currently elementary school, which I assume is true and thats why you care less. What if your kid is already in the middle school? Do you want to change the school now? In any case, TJ doesn't matter in the long run.

Families have a choice to send their kids to their base school or the AAP Center. If you choose to go tot he Center, then that is the school you are at and that is the group you are competing to be in that 1.5%. No one has to attend the AAP Center, it is a choice.

If this puts some pressure for parents to not send their kids to the Center and to stay at their base school, then ok. Hopefully that means that the cohort of bright, capable kids at the base school will grow and benefit the school as a whole. That is not a bad outcome. If you are moving your kid to the Center because you don’t like the after school options and and other opportunities at the base school, well, that probably points to why the base school doesn’t send as many kids to TJ. Arguing that your choice to leave the base school, in search of better opportunities at the AAP Center, kind of defeats the argument that all the MS are providing enough opportunities for kids to do well at TJ.

What if the student already made choice to go to center school last year or year before and currently in middle school? Isn’t it a lost opportunity for them? The ‘choice’ makes sense to students who are currently in elementary school. I wouldn’t be complaining if my kid is in elementary school as he would have had a option to go to base school if he wanted to.

The only kids impacted by that were the kids this year, next years class can choose to return to their base school right now. Given that there are people talking about renting apartments and moving their kids to a new school next year, this option should be even easier for you since you live in the base schools area.

I knew someone would say this - move to base school now. 😅 We are debating this, but my kid signed up certain continued electives which he planned carefully and then all his friends are in AAP center school. My kid currently not showing interest since if he doesn’t get into TJ from base school, he would be giving up all for nothing. It would have been an easier choice for his class/friends last year. Again, you could say friends come and go and electives don’t matter etc. I know you wouldn’t understand where we are coming from as I am sure your kid is either not in middle school or in base school. I hope this leads to getting rid of AAP centers in middle schools, so kids aren’t required to make this choice. My personal opinion, TJ is just a hype, it doesn’t really matter much in the long run. If kids are motivated, they can do well in any school (I still think AAP matters due to accelerated math). It is just unfortunate that some parents and kids have play games to change schools to gain advantage, and it reflects bad on the admission process.

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I have a first grader starting in FCPS this fall, and we've checked ESL and "multiracial" on her paperwork just because we could. Our older child was listed as white and a native English speaker simply because we didn't think it'd matter.

This is what will happen more and more.

People respond to incentives and “just because we could”. This is why CRT falls apart incredibly quickly.

If you can pick what gender you are, why can’t you pick what race you are? Or if you are ESL? It’s ridiculous and I don’t agree with it, but people will always respond to incentives and policy makers are short sighted to think they can slice and dice without people changing how they classify their children.

policy makers took into account unethical practices by families gaming admission, but didn't realize just how low they will sink?

It's not really unethical as much as it is a response to external stimuli. We are a trilingual household. FCPS says (in a completely ridiculous move) that a child is ESL if ANYONE in the household speaks a language other than English. Ergo, I break no rules in ticking an ESL box for my child, and now that there are potential benefits attached to this class, I'll make sure it's ticked.

Same with the multiracial class - my DH is brown as could be and therefore DD is obviously multiracial. I mean you aren't dealing with a family of two Finns here.

They will look at whether a child received ESL services, not at self-identification. As for identifying as multiracial, have at it. Race is not one of the factors being considered. Now, one thing you could do is move into an economically diverse neighborhood and hope for the best. That's probably the most effective way to increase your child's chances of being accepted. Of course, then you would have to be in a school community with actual multiracial families, and put your kids in a classroom with students who receive ELL services.

Who the hell are you to decide who is a real multiracial family!!!

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The middle school you attend plays a very significant role in admissions

Carson, Longfellow, Kilmer, and Rocky Run MS now admit students at lower rates

This new admission process is totally unfair towards kids from AAP center schools. For example it is much more difficult to make the cut off in Carson (AAP center) than in Franklin (base school) due to higher competition. Except for may be 3 or 4 AAP kids from my kids elementary school, who chose to go to Franklin (for personal reasons), all of the 100+ kids from AAP class went to Carson, which is the default. I wish the admission process is based on 'base' middle school instead of the school they actually attend.

To understand the competition, I believe around 50% of my kids AAP class qualified for presidential medal (names announced at 6th grade graduation ceremony) where as the less than 10% of PBL class got it. In addition, AAP kids participate at much higher rate of participation in most of the STEM activities/fairs, digital leadership, writing etc compared non AAP kids.

For the sake of the argument, How do you feel NASA reserving 4 research slots to top two students from MIT and top two students from Liberty University with out taking individual merit into consideration? Do you consider it is fair to rest of the MIT class who also wanted to get into NASA but lose out to Liberty?

easy solution - don't go to a center. For the sake of argument, this is a public high school, not NASA

There are AAP center middle schools?

Yep, the hothouse flowers are kept away from the masses through 8th grade

Yep, all the middle schools that traditionally send more students to TJ are AAP center schools i.e., Carson, Longfellow etc. The new admission process is only fair if kids do have a choice to go to either base school or center school and all middle schools offer all the courses/electives/activities equally. Regarding earlier post about 'don't go to a center' - This would apply if your kid is in currently elementary school, which I assume is true and thats why you care less. What if your kid is already in the middle school? Do you want to change the school now? In any case, TJ doesn't matter in the long run.

Families have a choice to send their kids to their base school or the AAP Center. If you choose to go tot he Center, then that is the school you are at and that is the group you are competing to be in that 1.5%. No one has to attend the AAP Center, it is a choice.

If this puts some pressure for parents to not send their kids to the Center and to stay at their base school, then ok. Hopefully that means that the cohort of bright, capable kids at the base school will grow and benefit the school as a whole. That is not a bad outcome. If you are moving your kid to the Center because you don’t like the after school options and and other opportunities at the base school, well, that probably points to why the base school doesn’t send as many kids to TJ. Arguing that your choice to leave the base school, in search of better opportunities at the AAP Center, kind of defeats the argument that all the MS are providing enough opportunities for kids to do well at TJ.

What if the student already made choice to go to center school last year or year before and currently in middle school? Isn’t it a lost opportunity for them? The ‘choice’ makes sense to students who are currently in elementary school. I wouldn’t be complaining if my kid is in elementary school as he would have had a option to go to base school if he wanted to.

The only kids impacted by that were the kids this year, next years class can choose to return to their base school right now. Given that there are people talking about renting apartments and moving their kids to a new school next year, this option should be even easier for you since you live in the base schools area.

it’s all talk, I doubt parents will enroll their kids in URM just to get in TJ.

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The middle school you attend plays a very significant role in admissions

Carson, Longfellow, Kilmer, and Rocky Run MS now admit students at lower rates

This new admission process is totally unfair towards kids from AAP center schools. For example it is much more difficult to make the cut off in Carson (AAP center) than in Franklin (base school) due to higher competition. Except for may be 3 or 4 AAP kids from my kids elementary school, who chose to go to Franklin (for personal reasons), all of the 100+ kids from AAP class went to Carson, which is the default. I wish the admission process is based on 'base' middle school instead of the school they actually attend.

To understand the competition, I believe around 50% of my kids AAP class qualified for presidential medal (names announced at 6th grade graduation ceremony) where as the less than 10% of PBL class got it. In addition, AAP kids participate at much higher rate of participation in most of the STEM activities/fairs, digital leadership, writing etc compared non AAP kids.

For the sake of the argument, How do you feel NASA reserving 4 research slots to top two students from MIT and top two students from Liberty University with out taking individual merit into consideration? Do you consider it is fair to rest of the MIT class who also wanted to get into NASA but lose out to Liberty?

easy solution - don't go to a center. For the sake of argument, this is a public high school, not NASA

There are AAP center middle schools?

Yep, the hothouse flowers are kept away from the masses through 8th grade

Yep, all the middle schools that traditionally send more students to TJ are AAP center schools i.e., Carson, Longfellow etc. The new admission process is only fair if kids do have a choice to go to either base school or center school and all middle schools offer all the courses/electives/activities equally. Regarding earlier post about 'don't go to a center' - This would apply if your kid is in currently elementary school, which I assume is true and thats why you care less. What if your kid is already in the middle school? Do you want to change the school now? In any case, TJ doesn't matter in the long run.

Families have a choice to send their kids to their base school or the AAP Center. If you choose to go tot he Center, then that is the school you are at and that is the group you are competing to be in that 1.5%. No one has to attend the AAP Center, it is a choice.

If this puts some pressure for parents to not send their kids to the Center and to stay at their base school, then ok. Hopefully that means that the cohort of bright, capable kids at the base school will grow and benefit the school as a whole. That is not a bad outcome. If you are moving your kid to the Center because you don’t like the after school options and and other opportunities at the base school, well, that probably points to why the base school doesn’t send as many kids to TJ. Arguing that your choice to leave the base school, in search of better opportunities at the AAP Center, kind of defeats the argument that all the MS are providing enough opportunities for kids to do well at TJ.

What if the student already made choice to go to center school last year or year before and currently in middle school? Isn’t it a lost opportunity for them? The ‘choice’ makes sense to students who are currently in elementary school. I wouldn’t be complaining if my kid is in elementary school as he would have had a option to go to base school if he wanted to.

The only kids impacted by that were the kids this year, next years class can choose to return to their base school right now. Given that there are people talking about renting apartments and moving their kids to a new school next year, this option should be even easier for you since you live in the base schools area.

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Give it time, dear. NYC's Stuyvesant is like 75-80% Asian and the fact that half of them live at the poverty level doesn't stop the attacks claiming Asian privilege.

Folks on this board love to compare TJ to Stuyvesant despite the fact that the Asian American community in NYC is wildly different, demographically and economically, than the Asian American community in NoVa. You can't claim marginalization just because a some folks whose parents came from the same landmass than yours happen to be poor in a totally different city.

Sure, let's pretend that it's a complete coincidence that Asians dominate two of some of the most selective public schools in America. Yes, the Asians at Stuy have nothing in common with Asians at TJ.

Let's also pretend that the Asian domination at Stuy causes no controversy whatsoever, or that their poverty level shields them from the attacks from equity advocates.

Stuyvesant is basically proof that Asian Americans are not allowed to succeed. Asians Americans in NYC are poor as dirt. Yet, they still get vilified, and they still have a BOE that's hostile to them.

Would TJ and Stuyvesant get nearly as much hate if they were say 70% Latinos? I suspect not. Rather, I think the BOEs would be celebrating the success of Latinos in their school districts.

If Asian Americans at Stuyvesant can't be celebrated then under what scenario can the success of Asian Americans be celebrated?

Never. Everyone discriminates against Asians. Did anyone see the controversy last night about the way that newsman spoke about that Asian MLB player (Ohtani?) yesterday? He was disparaging him because he needs an interpreter for interviews, saying it's bad for MLB because people don't want to see that. I guarantee no one would ever say that about the Hispanic MLB players that have needed interpreters. People who claim they're not racist have no qualms about being racist toward Asians.