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Anonymous wrote:People saying to help are nuts. Homeless people don’t operate in normal, rational ways. Do not talk to this person directly. That’s what homeless shelters are for. Don’t touch his/her stuff.

Dehumanizing is your first step. Why don't you talk about where your thought process leads to?

Have you interacted with many people on the street, PP? I have. I am not going to knock on the tent door of the people outside Safeway on 17th. I have seen one man who lives there high out of his mind on many occasions. I have seen him doing deals with people in the alley and stumbling along yelling on the street. I am a middle aged mother and I am not the person who can just go hug him and ask him if I can buy him some food and water at Safeway. Do you really think that will help? Do you think putting my safety at risk is what should happen and I'm dehumanizing him by not putting myself in danger? I have been spit on, screamed at, and threatened by homeless people. I have empathy for the pain they must be in but F U if you think I'm wrong for not "helping" these people that don't want help.

What about other homeless people? Not everyone is high/mentally unstable/aggressive.

Anonymous wrote:Pepper spray

That will go over just as well as my hose spraying idea.....

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Anonymous wrote:Keep in mind, many of these people are still homeless by choice. We need to face the fact that shelters and social programs won't have the same affect on them as they do with the temporary homeless or families.

Why are there no public campgrounds for people who don't want to live in a house?

Be ause they want to live alone on the sidewalk near your fence. Who tf wants to live among a bunch of homeless people?

Right, that's why there are no larger homeless encampments... said no one who has eyes.

The *individual* alone on the sidewalk sleeping doesn't want to live in a homeless encampment; otherwise he wouldn't be alone on the sidewalk sleeping. He must be a highfalutin dcum type of unhoused individual. He's too good to live among the petit bourgeoise.

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Anonymous wrote:People saying to help are nuts. Homeless people don’t operate in normal, rational ways. Do not talk to this person directly. That’s what homeless shelters are for. Don’t touch his/her stuff.

Dehumanizing is your first step. Why don't you talk about where your thought process leads to?

Have you interacted with many people on the street, PP? I have. I am not going to knock on the tent door of the people outside Safeway on 17th. I have seen one man who lives there high out of his mind on many occasions. I have seen him doing deals with people in the alley and stumbling along yelling on the street. I am a middle aged mother and I am not the person who can just go hug him and ask him if I can buy him some food and water at Safeway. Do you really think that will help? Do you think putting my safety at risk is what should happen and I'm dehumanizing him by not putting myself in danger? I have been spit on, screamed at, and threatened by homeless people. I have empathy for the pain they must be in but F U if you think I'm wrong for not "helping" these people that don't want help.

It's a crime, to jail or shelter they have a choice

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Anonymous wrote:Are there any "All Are Welcome" signs nearby?

Exactly. Why are the two sides both proposing removing the person but in different ways instead of anyone advocating on behalf of welcoming more neighbors to their community?

Right. We're talking about a public sidewalk here. If a neighborhood is welcoming, then be welcoming.

Pepper spray

Anonymous wrote:Are there any "All Are Welcome" signs nearby?

Exactly. Why are the two sides both proposing removing the person but in different ways instead of anyone advocating on behalf of welcoming more neighbors to their community?

I can't conceive of a court that would sanction a removal of someone for sleeping on a sidewalk.

Are there any "All Are Welcome" signs nearby?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People saying to help are nuts. Homeless people don’t operate in normal, rational ways. Do not talk to this person directly. That’s what homeless shelters are for. Don’t touch his/her stuff.

Dehumanizing is your first step. Why don't you talk about where your thought process leads to?

well, your thought process leads to large swaths of public space being dominated by encampments, crime, filth, drug dealing. And worse. I saw a developmentally disabled women being prostituted in an encampment, not a mile from the Capitol. So yeah, you let drugs, crime, open defecation, and sex trafficking/rape flourish all over the city - what does THAT lead to?

That's completely misguided and a sick way to justify dehumanizing people.

What’s misguided and sick is believing that your internal sense of moral superiority has anything at all to do with morality. There is nothing humanizing about allowing homeless encampments to grow unaddressed. It’s bad for the people who live there, bad for the neighborhood, and bad for the city. And will eventually inspire the dehumanizing that you claim to care about. You people seem to have this weird view that the only moral approach to human dysfunction is to let it grow untouched and to deny that this has any impact. In fact I suspect you actually LIKE to see homeless encampments increasing. It gives you some kind of feeling of superiority to see your “unhoused neighbors” in the underpass, sort of like it was a zoo for your benefit. Meanwhile you would never do what it takes to make actual social change.

That is just you arguing with yourself, because that's not what I said or do. I'm done with you.

Hmm what is it you do that’s so morally superior? Please, let us know.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People saying to help are nuts. Homeless people don’t operate in normal, rational ways. Do not talk to this person directly. That’s what homeless shelters are for. Don’t touch his/her stuff.

Dehumanizing is your first step. Why don't you talk about where your thought process leads to?

well, your thought process leads to large swaths of public space being dominated by encampments, crime, filth, drug dealing. And worse. I saw a developmentally disabled women being prostituted in an encampment, not a mile from the Capitol. So yeah, you let drugs, crime, open defecation, and sex trafficking/rape flourish all over the city - what does THAT lead to?

That's completely misguided and a sick way to justify dehumanizing people.

What’s misguided and sick is believing that your internal sense of moral superiority has anything at all to do with morality. There is nothing humanizing about allowing homeless encampments to grow unaddressed. It’s bad for the people who live there, bad for the neighborhood, and bad for the city. And will eventually inspire the dehumanizing that you claim to care about. You people seem to have this weird view that the only moral approach to human dysfunction is to let it grow untouched and to deny that this has any impact. In fact I suspect you actually LIKE to see homeless encampments increasing. It gives you some kind of feeling of superiority to see your “unhoused neighbors” in the underpass, sort of like it was a zoo for your benefit. Meanwhile you would never do what it takes to make actual social change.

That is just you arguing with yourself, because that's not what I said or do. I'm done with you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People saying to help are nuts. Homeless people don’t operate in normal, rational ways. Do not talk to this person directly. That’s what homeless shelters are for. Don’t touch his/her stuff.

Dehumanizing is your first step. Why don't you talk about where your thought process leads to?

well, your thought process leads to large swaths of public space being dominated by encampments, crime, filth, drug dealing. And worse. I saw a developmentally disabled women being prostituted in an encampment, not a mile from the Capitol. So yeah, you let drugs, crime, open defecation, and sex trafficking/rape flourish all over the city - what does THAT lead to?

That's completely misguided and a sick way to justify dehumanizing people.

What’s misguided and sick is believing that your internal sense of moral superiority has anything at all to do with morality. There is nothing humanizing about allowing homeless encampments to grow unaddressed. It’s bad for the people who live there, bad for the neighborhood, and bad for the city. And will eventually inspire the dehumanizing that you claim to care about. You people seem to have this weird view that the only moral approach to human dysfunction is to let it grow untouched and to deny that this has any impact. In fact I suspect you actually LIKE to see homeless encampments increasing. It gives you some kind of feeling of superiority to see your “unhoused neighbors” in the underpass, sort of like it was a zoo for your benefit. Meanwhile you would never do what it takes to make actual social change.

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Anonymous wrote:People saying to help are nuts. Homeless people don’t operate in normal, rational ways. Do not talk to this person directly. That’s what homeless shelters are for. Don’t touch his/her stuff.

Dehumanizing is your first step. Why don't you talk about where your thought process leads to?

Eh, PP is correct in saying not to touch their stuff or get into a conversation with them. OP can help by calling someone else to provide assistance to this person.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep in mind, many of these people are still homeless by choice. We need to face the fact that shelters and social programs won't have the same affect on them as they do with the temporary homeless or families.

Why are there no public campgrounds for people who don't want to live in a house?

Be ause they want to live alone on the sidewalk near your fence. Who tf wants to live among a bunch of homeless people?

Right, that's why there are no larger homeless encampments... said no one who has eyes.