Anonymous
07/01/2021 12:54
Subject: First Johnson's, now Sullivan's! Who is the landlord behind this?
Anonymous wrote:
Cool, when are we going to see 5,000 GGW posts on why DCUSA must be upzoned? If that crowd was at all ideologically coherent, it would demand that DCUSA be torn down and housing be built in its place. DC's densest neighborhood should not have a suburban shopping mall with a giant parking garage plopped on top of a Metro station.
Nobody is demanding that anything be torn down. Merely that it is allowed to build at higher densities.
But you're right, it's definitely non-"density" to have a suburban-style shopping mall with a 1000-space parking garage on top of a Metro station in a dense DC neighborhood.
Anonymous
07/01/2021 12:53
Subject: First Johnson's, now Sullivan's! Who is the landlord behind this?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Wawa, CVS, FedEx, BB&T Bank, 7-11: None of which are in that mall. DCUSA also takes up a comically massive footprint in the neighborhood, complete with an always-empty parking garage, so writing it off as "one building" is putting lipstick on a pig. Your prized density has brought with it soulless, charmless retail that can be found anywhere else. The recipe is already being repeated in other "dense" neighborhoods.
I don't understand why you keep referring to DC USA as an example of density. It's not. For one thing, it has a two-story underground parking garage with 1,000 spaces.
It’s apparent you guys just make up definitions for words and concepts on the fly.
"You guys" who?
DC USA not being an example of density because it has underground parking is purely made up.
Then could you please explain how it is an example of density?
This is not debate club. You said it is not. And you made that up. You prove it or go away.
Who made what up? Somebody kept referring to DCUSA as an example of density. Why? It's a suburban-style shopping mall development in a city.
DCUSA is a Marion Barry-era attempt at economic development, and should be no one’s template for infill. But it is certainly density, even if it is just retail and not housing. I don’t understand the point that if a development has onsite parking that it is somehow not “density.”
it is 2 1/2 stories on top of a metro station. Exactly not density.
Cool, when are we going to see 5,000 GGW posts on why DCUSA must be upzoned? If that crowd was at all ideologically coherent, it would demand that DCUSA be torn down and housing be built in its place. DC's densest neighborhood should not have a suburban shopping mall with a giant parking garage plopped on top of a Metro station.
^ This
Anonymous
07/01/2021 12:48
Subject: First Johnson's, now Sullivan's! Who is the landlord behind this?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Wawa, CVS, FedEx, BB&T Bank, 7-11: None of which are in that mall. DCUSA also takes up a comically massive footprint in the neighborhood, complete with an always-empty parking garage, so writing it off as "one building" is putting lipstick on a pig. Your prized density has brought with it soulless, charmless retail that can be found anywhere else. The recipe is already being repeated in other "dense" neighborhoods.
I don't understand why you keep referring to DC USA as an example of density. It's not. For one thing, it has a two-story underground parking garage with 1,000 spaces.
It’s apparent you guys just make up definitions for words and concepts on the fly.
"You guys" who?
DC USA not being an example of density because it has underground parking is purely made up.
Then could you please explain how it is an example of density?
This is not debate club. You said it is not. And you made that up. You prove it or go away.
Who made what up? Somebody kept referring to DCUSA as an example of density. Why? It's a suburban-style shopping mall development in a city.
DCUSA is a Marion Barry-era attempt at economic development, and should be no one’s template for infill. But it is certainly density, even if it is just retail and not housing. I don’t understand the point that if a development has onsite parking that it is somehow not “density.”
it is 2 1/2 stories on top of a metro station. Exactly not density.
Cool, when are we going to see 5,000 GGW posts on why DCUSA must be upzoned? If that crowd was at all ideologically coherent, it would demand that DCUSA be torn down and housing be built in its place. DC's densest neighborhood should not have a suburban shopping mall with a giant parking garage plopped on top of a Metro station.
Anonymous
07/01/2021 12:33
Subject: First Johnson's, now Sullivan's! Who is the landlord behind this?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do the stores in DCUSA not have windows?
Anyway, last time I was in DCUSA there was a shooting across the street and the police kept everybody in the building. Also super expensive parking.
What is not to like?
$1.50/hr is expensive?
Yes, if I am spending money at your store.
Anonymous
07/01/2021 12:26
Subject: First Johnson's, now Sullivan's! Who is the landlord behind this?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Wawa, CVS, FedEx, BB&T Bank, 7-11: None of which are in that mall. DCUSA also takes up a comically massive footprint in the neighborhood, complete with an always-empty parking garage, so writing it off as "one building" is putting lipstick on a pig. Your prized density has brought with it soulless, charmless retail that can be found anywhere else. The recipe is already being repeated in other "dense" neighborhoods.
I don't understand why you keep referring to DC USA as an example of density. It's not. For one thing, it has a two-story underground parking garage with 1,000 spaces.
It’s apparent you guys just make up definitions for words and concepts on the fly.
"You guys" who?
DC USA not being an example of density because it has underground parking is purely made up.
Then could you please explain how it is an example of density?
This is not debate club. You said it is not. And you made that up. You prove it or go away.
Who made what up? Somebody kept referring to DCUSA as an example of density. Why? It's a suburban-style shopping mall development in a city.
DCUSA is a Marion Barry-era attempt at economic development, and should be no one’s template for infill. But it is certainly density, even if it is just retail and not housing. I don’t understand the point that if a development has onsite parking that it is somehow not “density.”
it is 2 1/2 stories on top of a metro station. Exactly not density.
Anonymous
07/01/2021 12:25
Subject: First Johnson's, now Sullivan's! Who is the landlord behind this?
Anonymous wrote:Why do the stores in DCUSA not have windows?
Anyway, last time I was in DCUSA there was a shooting across the street and the police kept everybody in the building. Also super expensive parking.
What is not to like?
$1.50/hr is expensive?
Anonymous
07/01/2021 12:24
Subject: Re:First Johnson's, now Sullivan's! Who is the landlord behind this?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The next time AU asks for new building permits etc, I suggest approval be made very very difficult for them. They own so many properties in NW, and haven't been the best retail landlords. Complete self interest, which the neighborhood should reflect back at them.
The ANC's have all passed resolutions lauding density and the COMPLAN. AU is offering density with most of their plans. They ANC's and AU are both pro development and more housing units regardless of neighborhood character. GGW would say that this is all good. There will be more consumers for Target and Chase Bank.
This ANC and Mary Cheh are such disappointments on where they are steering the neighborhood 2.0. They don't have to be in cahoots with GGW and bad landlords like AU. But they are. And yes, I attend meetings and voice my opinion. You all should too--they are on zoom and you can also contact the ANC and Mary Cheh.
Neither the ANC nor Mary Cheh are the landlord, nor the business owner here. What role do you expect the government to play?
Anonymous
07/01/2021 12:23
Subject: Re:First Johnson's, now Sullivan's! Who is the landlord behind this?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The next time AU asks for new building permits etc, I suggest approval be made very very difficult for them. They own so many properties in NW, and haven't been the best retail landlords. Complete self interest, which the neighborhood should reflect back at them.
The ANC's have all passed resolutions lauding density and the COMPLAN. AU is offering density with most of their plans. They ANC's and AU are both pro development and more housing units regardless of neighborhood character. GGW would say that this is all good. There will be more consumers for Target and Chase Bank.
This ANC and Mary Cheh are such disappointments on where they are steering the neighborhood 2.0. They don't have to be in cahoots with GGW and bad landlords like AU. But they are. And yes, I attend meetings and voice my opinion. You all should too--they are on zoom and you can also contact the ANC and Mary Cheh.
Also, something else to keep in mind that people too often forget: Universities like AU, Georgetown, GW, Catholic, etc do not pay property taxes on the buildings and land that they own. This is a major problem in a city like Washington, where these institutions continue to buy up buildings and act as landlords. They are not contributing to the city's tax pool. For that reason alone, we should be pushing back against them.
Anonymous
07/01/2021 12:16
Subject: First Johnson's, now Sullivan's! Who is the landlord behind this?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Wawa, CVS, FedEx, BB&T Bank, 7-11: None of which are in that mall. DCUSA also takes up a comically massive footprint in the neighborhood, complete with an always-empty parking garage, so writing it off as "one building" is putting lipstick on a pig. Your prized density has brought with it soulless, charmless retail that can be found anywhere else. The recipe is already being repeated in other "dense" neighborhoods.
I don't understand why you keep referring to DC USA as an example of density. It's not. For one thing, it has a two-story underground parking garage with 1,000 spaces.
It’s apparent you guys just make up definitions for words and concepts on the fly.
"You guys" who?
DC USA not being an example of density because it has underground parking is purely made up.
Then could you please explain how it is an example of density?
This is not debate club. You said it is not. And you made that up. You prove it or go away.
Who made what up? Somebody kept referring to DCUSA as an example of density. Why? It's a suburban-style shopping mall development in a city.
DCUSA is a Marion Barry-era attempt at economic development, and should be no one’s template for infill. But it is certainly density, even if it is just retail and not housing. I don’t understand the point that if a development has onsite parking that it is somehow not “density.”
In what way is it density? Compared to what? A surface parking lot?
How do Density Bros define “density”?
Anonymous
07/01/2021 12:03
Subject: First Johnson's, now Sullivan's! Who is the landlord behind this?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Wawa, CVS, FedEx, BB&T Bank, 7-11: None of which are in that mall. DCUSA also takes up a comically massive footprint in the neighborhood, complete with an always-empty parking garage, so writing it off as "one building" is putting lipstick on a pig. Your prized density has brought with it soulless, charmless retail that can be found anywhere else. The recipe is already being repeated in other "dense" neighborhoods.
I don't understand why you keep referring to DC USA as an example of density. It's not. For one thing, it has a two-story underground parking garage with 1,000 spaces.
It’s apparent you guys just make up definitions for words and concepts on the fly.
"You guys" who?
DC USA not being an example of density because it has underground parking is purely made up.
Then could you please explain how it is an example of density?
This is not debate club. You said it is not. And you made that up. You prove it or go away.
Who made what up? Somebody kept referring to DCUSA as an example of density. Why? It's a suburban-style shopping mall development in a city.
DCUSA is a Marion Barry-era attempt at economic development, and should be no one’s template for infill. But it is certainly density, even if it is just retail and not housing. I don’t understand the point that if a development has onsite parking that it is somehow not “density.”
In what way is it density? Compared to what? A surface parking lot?
Anonymous
07/01/2021 11:50
Subject: First Johnson's, now Sullivan's! Who is the landlord behind this?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Wawa, CVS, FedEx, BB&T Bank, 7-11: None of which are in that mall. DCUSA also takes up a comically massive footprint in the neighborhood, complete with an always-empty parking garage, so writing it off as "one building" is putting lipstick on a pig. Your prized density has brought with it soulless, charmless retail that can be found anywhere else. The recipe is already being repeated in other "dense" neighborhoods.
I don't understand why you keep referring to DC USA as an example of density. It's not. For one thing, it has a two-story underground parking garage with 1,000 spaces.
It’s apparent you guys just make up definitions for words and concepts on the fly.
"You guys" who?
DC USA not being an example of density because it has underground parking is purely made up.
Then could you please explain how it is an example of density?
This is not debate club. You said it is not. And you made that up. You prove it or go away.
Who made what up? Somebody kept referring to DCUSA as an example of density. Why? It's a suburban-style shopping mall development in a city.
DCUSA is a Marion Barry-era attempt at economic development, and should be no one’s template for infill. But it is certainly density, even if it is just retail and not housing. I don’t understand the point that if a development has onsite parking that it is somehow not “density.”
Anonymous
07/01/2021 10:59
Subject: First Johnson's, now Sullivan's! Who is the landlord behind this?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Wawa, CVS, FedEx, BB&T Bank, 7-11: None of which are in that mall. DCUSA also takes up a comically massive footprint in the neighborhood, complete with an always-empty parking garage, so writing it off as "one building" is putting lipstick on a pig. Your prized density has brought with it soulless, charmless retail that can be found anywhere else. The recipe is already being repeated in other "dense" neighborhoods.
I don't understand why you keep referring to DC USA as an example of density. It's not. For one thing, it has a two-story underground parking garage with 1,000 spaces.
It’s apparent you guys just make up definitions for words and concepts on the fly.
"You guys" who?
DC USA not being an example of density because it has underground parking is purely made up.
Then could you please explain how it is an example of density?
This is not debate club. You said it is not. And you made that up. You prove it or go away.
Who made what up? Somebody kept referring to DCUSA as an example of density. Why? It's a suburban-style shopping mall development in a city.
Anonymous
07/01/2021 10:57
Subject: First Johnson's, now Sullivan's! Who is the landlord behind this?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Wawa, CVS, FedEx, BB&T Bank, 7-11: None of which are in that mall. DCUSA also takes up a comically massive footprint in the neighborhood, complete with an always-empty parking garage, so writing it off as "one building" is putting lipstick on a pig. Your prized density has brought with it soulless, charmless retail that can be found anywhere else. The recipe is already being repeated in other "dense" neighborhoods.
I don't understand why you keep referring to DC USA as an example of density. It's not. For one thing, it has a two-story underground parking garage with 1,000 spaces.
It’s apparent you guys just make up definitions for words and concepts on the fly.
"You guys" who?
DC USA not being an example of density because it has underground parking is purely made up.
Then could you please explain how it is an example of density?
This is not debate club. You said it is not. And you made that up. You prove it or go away.
Anonymous
07/01/2021 10:50
Subject: First Johnson's, now Sullivan's! Who is the landlord behind this?
Why do the stores in DCUSA not have windows?
Anyway, last time I was in DCUSA there was a shooting across the street and the police kept everybody in the building. Also super expensive parking.
What is not to like?
Anyway, last time I was in DCUSA there was a shooting across the street and the police kept everybody in the building. Also super expensive parking.
What is not to like?
Anonymous
07/01/2021 10:35
Subject: First Johnson's, now Sullivan's! Who is the landlord behind this?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Wawa, CVS, FedEx, BB&T Bank, 7-11: None of which are in that mall. DCUSA also takes up a comically massive footprint in the neighborhood, complete with an always-empty parking garage, so writing it off as "one building" is putting lipstick on a pig. Your prized density has brought with it soulless, charmless retail that can be found anywhere else. The recipe is already being repeated in other "dense" neighborhoods.
I don't understand why you keep referring to DC USA as an example of density. It's not. For one thing, it has a two-story underground parking garage with 1,000 spaces.
It’s apparent you guys just make up definitions for words and concepts on the fly.
"You guys" who?
DC USA not being an example of density because it has underground parking is purely made up.
Then could you please explain how it is an example of density?