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Anonymous wrote:Folks making 90-120k a year just adjust if they want anything resembling schools that aren't 90%+ FARMS.

If they're Black they live in the nicer parts of Prince George's. If they're Hispanic, they live in parts of Northern VA or Silver Spring. If they're White, they live in Frederick or Winchester.

Or they accept living in a TH in Loudoun or Montgomery is their lot in life.

This is very true. At some point, everyone needs to make concessions.

Yes, everyone. Popular neighborhoods need to accept upzoning. That is their lot in life. You need to live out to the exurbs if you want want to guarantee your neighborhood will remain all SFHs.

upzoning makes cities more expensive not less. this idea that if we just build more, then there will be lower housing prices is just a bunch of hokum. it has never been true in dc. navy yard is the latest in a long list of examples. way more housing there now, and it's exponentially more expensive than it was 10 years ago.

Upzoning makes housing more desirable as it's increases customer density which attracts more retail/restaurant/entertainment venues.

The landowners make out. The people who move in, do so willingly, meaning they're happier there than whatever alternatives were available.

The landowners didn't make the land. The builders make money, but have to compete with other builders, and can't charge too much.

Tax the land. Untax labor, sales, wages, buildings, etc.

No, upzoning destroys neighborhoods that want to remain neighborhoods of SFHs. Rather than destroy SFH neighborhoods, spend money upgrading poorer areas.

Yup. These are all just people who don't want to move to poorer areas but cannot afford to live in more affluent areas. At some point people need to come to terms with their class status. You may have grown up in an UMC suburb and think you have a "good" job, but that is not enough to maintain the class status that you were born into. I am really sorry that these people are learning of their own downward mobility the hard way.

No, these are literally just people trying to find a place to live. The way you talk about who you imagine is demanding more affordable housing is very telling. You think people are just jealous of you. But it’s actually people need a place to live within a reasonable distance of their job. The end.

The most common way someone “tries to find a place to live” is to evaluate their budget and then look at the market to identify areas that meet their budget.

The old saw in real estate is that you have location, quality and price - pick two. You cannot have it all. The people who are advocating policy change are doing it out of spite because it will not result in them being able to benefit (they will still not be able to afford it) but they will harm others.

“Affordable housing” only works with low input costs - cheap land and cheap materials. Cheap land does not exist in dense urban areas and the more density that is brought the more expensive the land becomes. If you want affordable housing, the only way it has ever been delivered in the history of this country is in new build suburbs. You may not like it, but it’s facts.

If you like living in the city and you want it to more affordable, the only way that has ever been accomplished in this country is through massive construction of SFH in the suburbs.

That’s it folks. Live in reality and make your choices.

You can't upzone your way out of the housing crisis. It might increase housing stock by 5 percent at the most. Even if they did upzone, the result would be mildly more opportunity to buy a house for 700k. Still looking at a monthly mortgage in excess of $5,000. An upzone policy will only attract developers whose job is to flip houses for maximum profit. There are lots of great neighborhoods in dc. Young families should have access to high quality schools with high quality facilities in every part of the city. After all, Ward 3 is the city's most boring set of neighborhoods.

Anonymous wrote:So what happens if Upper Ward 3 is up zoned?

You might see a number of people move out and sell to a developer that’d put three to five TH on a SFH lot, with a small common backyard with a playground. I guess those would run you $600-$800k?

But you’d see a lot more 1BR condos. That’s all new development means in DC: another 3-10 story condo building with 1BR and 2BR condos. Each of the 20-200 condos goes for $400k and up.

Yeah, I live in a Ward 3 duplex (1,600 sq ft), which cost $965K three years ago. 2-3 bedroom condos are running in the 700s. It’s an expensive area. The townhomes are also in the 900s. This isn’t affordable housing!

It’s more like eliminating SFH will result in more housing for UMC people that doesn’t cost $1.7M. I don’t disagree with this, but it’s not going to make Ward 3 affordable for working families.

Anonymous wrote:This is honestly idiotic. If middle income people won’t live in duplexes they can’t live in dense urban housing. You can’t “policy” your way into affordable SFH in close-in urban areas.

People in NYC already know this. The rest of the country apparently is too stupid to get it.

Ever hear of rent control? It's kinda of a big topic of discussion in New York....dumbass.

So what happens if Upper Ward 3 is up zoned?

You might see a number of people move out and sell to a developer that’d put three to five TH on a SFH lot, with a small common backyard with a playground. I guess those would run you $600-$800k?

But you’d see a lot more 1BR condos. That’s all new development means in DC: another 3-10 story condo building with 1BR and 2BR condos. Each of the 20-200 condos goes for $400k and up.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks making 90-120k a year just adjust if they want anything resembling schools that aren't 90%+ FARMS.

If they're Black they live in the nicer parts of Prince George's. If they're Hispanic, they live in parts of Northern VA or Silver Spring. If they're White, they live in Frederick or Winchester.

Or they accept living in a TH in Loudoun or Montgomery is their lot in life.

This is very true. At some point, everyone needs to make concessions.

Yes, everyone. Popular neighborhoods need to accept upzoning. That is their lot in life. You need to live out to the exurbs if you want want to guarantee your neighborhood will remain all SFHs.

upzoning makes cities more expensive not less. this idea that if we just build more, then there will be lower housing prices is just a bunch of hokum. it has never been true in dc. navy yard is the latest in a long list of examples. way more housing there now, and it's exponentially more expensive than it was 10 years ago.

Upzoning makes housing more desirable as it's increases customer density which attracts more retail/restaurant/entertainment venues.

The landowners make out. The people who move in, do so willingly, meaning they're happier there than whatever alternatives were available.

The landowners didn't make the land. The builders make money, but have to compete with other builders, and can't charge too much.

Tax the land. Untax labor, sales, wages, buildings, etc.

No, upzoning destroys neighborhoods that want to remain neighborhoods of SFHs. Rather than destroy SFH neighborhoods, spend money upgrading poorer areas.

Yup. These are all just people who don't want to move to poorer areas but cannot afford to live in more affluent areas. At some point people need to come to terms with their class status. You may have grown up in an UMC suburb and think you have a "good" job, but that is not enough to maintain the class status that you were born into. I am really sorry that these people are learning of their own downward mobility the hard way.

Owners of SFHs in urban neighborhoods also need to accept their circumstances. You’re getting upzoned. Sorry you don’t have enough money to buy out the neighborhood and maintain your status. Guess you’re learning the hard way that you can’t control other properties.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks making 90-120k a year just adjust if they want anything resembling schools that aren't 90%+ FARMS.

If they're Black they live in the nicer parts of Prince George's. If they're Hispanic, they live in parts of Northern VA or Silver Spring. If they're White, they live in Frederick or Winchester.

Or they accept living in a TH in Loudoun or Montgomery is their lot in life.

This is very true. At some point, everyone needs to make concessions.

Yes, everyone. Popular neighborhoods need to accept upzoning. That is their lot in life. You need to live out to the exurbs if you want want to guarantee your neighborhood will remain all SFHs.

upzoning makes cities more expensive not less. this idea that if we just build more, then there will be lower housing prices is just a bunch of hokum. it has never been true in dc. navy yard is the latest in a long list of examples. way more housing there now, and it's exponentially more expensive than it was 10 years ago.

Upzoning makes housing more desirable as it's increases customer density which attracts more retail/restaurant/entertainment venues.

The landowners make out. The people who move in, do so willingly, meaning they're happier there than whatever alternatives were available.

The landowners didn't make the land. The builders make money, but have to compete with other builders, and can't charge too much.

Tax the land. Untax labor, sales, wages, buildings, etc.

No, upzoning destroys neighborhoods that want to remain neighborhoods of SFHs. Rather than destroy SFH neighborhoods, spend money upgrading poorer areas.

Yup. These are all just people who don't want to move to poorer areas but cannot afford to live in more affluent areas. At some point people need to come to terms with their class status. You may have grown up in an UMC suburb and think you have a "good" job, but that is not enough to maintain the class status that you were born into. I am really sorry that these people are learning of their own downward mobility the hard way.

No, these are literally just people trying to find a place to live. The way you talk about who you imagine is demanding more affordable housing is very telling. You think people are just jealous of you. But it’s actually people need a place to live within a reasonable distance of their job. The end.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks making 90-120k a year just adjust if they want anything resembling schools that aren't 90%+ FARMS.

If they're Black they live in the nicer parts of Prince George's. If they're Hispanic, they live in parts of Northern VA or Silver Spring. If they're White, they live in Frederick or Winchester.

Or they accept living in a TH in Loudoun or Montgomery is their lot in life.

This is very true. At some point, everyone needs to make concessions.

Yes, everyone. Popular neighborhoods need to accept upzoning. That is their lot in life. You need to live out to the exurbs if you want want to guarantee your neighborhood will remain all SFHs.

upzoning makes cities more expensive not less. this idea that if we just build more, then there will be lower housing prices is just a bunch of hokum. it has never been true in dc. navy yard is the latest in a long list of examples. way more housing there now, and it's exponentially more expensive than it was 10 years ago.

Upzoning makes housing more desirable as it's increases customer density which attracts more retail/restaurant/entertainment venues.

The landowners make out. The people who move in, do so willingly, meaning they're happier there than whatever alternatives were available.

The landowners didn't make the land. The builders make money, but have to compete with other builders, and can't charge too much.

Tax the land. Untax labor, sales, wages, buildings, etc.

No, upzoning destroys neighborhoods that want to remain neighborhoods of SFHs. Rather than destroy SFH neighborhoods, spend money upgrading poorer areas.

Yup. These are all just people who don't want to move to poorer areas but cannot afford to live in more affluent areas. At some point people need to come to terms with their class status. You may have grown up in an UMC suburb and think you have a "good" job, but that is not enough to maintain the class status that you were born into. I am really sorry that these people are learning of their own downward mobility the hard way.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks making 90-120k a year just adjust if they want anything resembling schools that aren't 90%+ FARMS.

If they're Black they live in the nicer parts of Prince George's. If they're Hispanic, they live in parts of Northern VA or Silver Spring. If they're White, they live in Frederick or Winchester.

Or they accept living in a TH in Loudoun or Montgomery is their lot in life.

This is very true. At some point, everyone needs to make concessions.

Yes, everyone. Popular neighborhoods need to accept upzoning. That is their lot in life. You need to live out to the exurbs if you want want to guarantee your neighborhood will remain all SFHs.

No. They do not. Why are you so interested in changing other people's neighborhoods. Get a life.

Pp said everyone needs to make concessions. That includes you! Go talk to your neighbors if you’re worried about change. I’m sure they’ll be willing to sell for less to ensure you don’t have to live near a duplex. The horror!

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Anonymous wrote:Folks making 90-120k a year just adjust if they want anything resembling schools that aren't 90%+ FARMS.

If they're Black they live in the nicer parts of Prince George's. If they're Hispanic, they live in parts of Northern VA or Silver Spring. If they're White, they live in Frederick or Winchester.

Or they accept living in a TH in Loudoun or Montgomery is their lot in life.

This is very true. At some point, everyone needs to make concessions.

Yes, everyone. Popular neighborhoods need to accept upzoning. That is their lot in life. You need to live out to the exurbs if you want want to guarantee your neighborhood will remain all SFHs.

No. They do not. Why are you so interested in changing other people's neighborhoods. Get a life.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks making 90-120k a year just adjust if they want anything resembling schools that aren't 90%+ FARMS.

If they're Black they live in the nicer parts of Prince George's. If they're Hispanic, they live in parts of Northern VA or Silver Spring. If they're White, they live in Frederick or Winchester.

Or they accept living in a TH in Loudoun or Montgomery is their lot in life.

This is very true. At some point, everyone needs to make concessions.

Yes, everyone. Popular neighborhoods need to accept upzoning. That is their lot in life. You need to live out to the exurbs if you want want to guarantee your neighborhood will remain all SFHs.

upzoning makes cities more expensive not less. this idea that if we just build more, then there will be lower housing prices is just a bunch of hokum. it has never been true in dc. navy yard is the latest in a long list of examples. way more housing there now, and it's exponentially more expensive than it was 10 years ago.

Upzoning makes housing more desirable as it's increases customer density which attracts more retail/restaurant/entertainment venues.

The landowners make out. The people who move in, do so willingly, meaning they're happier there than whatever alternatives were available.

The landowners didn't make the land. The builders make money, but have to compete with other builders, and can't charge too much.

Tax the land. Untax labor, sales, wages, buildings, etc.

No, upzoning destroys neighborhoods that want to remain neighborhoods of SFHs. Rather than destroy SFH neighborhoods, spend money upgrading poorer areas.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks making 90-120k a year just adjust if they want anything resembling schools that aren't 90%+ FARMS.

If they're Black they live in the nicer parts of Prince George's. If they're Hispanic, they live in parts of Northern VA or Silver Spring. If they're White, they live in Frederick or Winchester.

Or they accept living in a TH in Loudoun or Montgomery is their lot in life.

This is very true. At some point, everyone needs to make concessions.

Yes, everyone. Popular neighborhoods need to accept upzoning. That is their lot in life. You need to live out to the exurbs if you want want to guarantee your neighborhood will remain all SFHs.

upzoning makes cities more expensive not less. this idea that if we just build more, then there will be lower housing prices is just a bunch of hokum. it has never been true in dc. navy yard is the latest in a long list of examples. way more housing there now, and it's exponentially more expensive than it was 10 years ago.

But imagine if they built SFHs in Navy Yard instead of all condos, townhomes, and apartments. Would it be more or less expensive than it is now?

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Anonymous wrote:Folks making 90-120k a year just adjust if they want anything resembling schools that aren't 90%+ FARMS.

If they're Black they live in the nicer parts of Prince George's. If they're Hispanic, they live in parts of Northern VA or Silver Spring. If they're White, they live in Frederick or Winchester.

Or they accept living in a TH in Loudoun or Montgomery is their lot in life.

This is very true. At some point, everyone needs to make concessions.

Yes, everyone. Popular neighborhoods need to accept upzoning. That is their lot in life. You need to live out to the exurbs if you want want to guarantee your neighborhood will remain all SFHs.

upzoning makes cities more expensive not less. this idea that if we just build more, then there will be lower housing prices is just a bunch of hokum. it has never been true in dc. navy yard is the latest in a long list of examples. way more housing there now, and it's exponentially more expensive than it was 10 years ago.

Upzoning makes housing more desirable as it's increases customer density which attracts more retail/restaurant/entertainment venues.

The landowners make out. The people who move in, do so willingly, meaning they're happier there than whatever alternatives were available.

The landowners didn't make the land. The builders make money, but have to compete with other builders, and can't charge too much.

Tax the land. Untax labor, sales, wages, buildings, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks making 90-120k a year just adjust if they want anything resembling schools that aren't 90%+ FARMS.

If they're Black they live in the nicer parts of Prince George's. If they're Hispanic, they live in parts of Northern VA or Silver Spring. If they're White, they live in Frederick or Winchester.

Or they accept living in a TH in Loudoun or Montgomery is their lot in life.

This is very true. At some point, everyone needs to make concessions.

Yes, everyone. Popular neighborhoods need to accept upzoning. That is their lot in life. You need to live out to the exurbs if you want want to guarantee your neighborhood will remain all SFHs.

upzoning makes cities more expensive not less. this idea that if we just build more, then there will be lower housing prices is just a bunch of hokum. it has never been true in dc. navy yard is the latest in a long list of examples. way more housing there now, and it's exponentially more expensive than it was 10 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks making 90-120k a year just adjust if they want anything resembling schools that aren't 90%+ FARMS.

If they're Black they live in the nicer parts of Prince George's. If they're Hispanic, they live in parts of Northern VA or Silver Spring. If they're White, they live in Frederick or Winchester.

Or they accept living in a TH in Loudoun or Montgomery is their lot in life.

This is very true. At some point, everyone needs to make concessions.

Yes, everyone. Popular neighborhoods need to accept upzoning. That is their lot in life. You need to live out to the exurbs if you want want to guarantee your neighborhood will remain all SFHs.