Anonymous wrote:I will never understand the mental gymnastics white people will do to justify anti-Asian American discrimination in the college admissions process.

I'm liberal, progressive, and I believe that affirmative action policies are a net good on society. This also comes with the understanding that Asian Americans do indeed need to perform better, score higher, and will ultimately be at a net disadvantage compared to their non-Asian peers. This is corroborated by decades of third-party research and evidence. I'm not complaining, since it is what it is and I've accepted it as a fact. But to throw Asians under the bus and make assumptions about how they behave, think, and policing how they should respond to this is frankly a little disturbing.

If you're placing the blame on Asians and Asian families, trust me -- you're on the complete wrong side of history on this one.

Affirmative action is a net negative on society, particularly for the URMs. Whoever sought out URM doctors, lawyers, engineers, CPAs...? There will always be a perception that URMs just aren't as good, can't compete, etc. Net negative. Not net positive.

Anonymous wrote:If race weren’t a factor in college admissions, what would college classes look like at the most selective schools?

It would look a lot more like schools in California.

I don't get it. The Jewish quota, in hindsight, was a pretty nefarious tactic used by the Ivy League, and is widely regarded as such today. Can you imagine if people tried to justify the Jewish quota by saying things like, "Well, Jews only care about GPA and test scores, which is why they don't not get accepted," or, "Maybe the Jewish kids just didn't have the 'wow' factor that the top schools are looking for; stop making excuses."

If race weren’t a factor in college admissions, what would college classes look like at the most selective schools?

Anonymous wrote:Is the perception “more difficult” to get in because there are Asians more qualified taking up what is the Asian allotment of seats at competitive schools? Are there allotments for each race?

Or is it if the numbers of Asians admitted weren't curtailed, there would be classes made up primarily of Asians?

I feel like I’m missing something here. I read where Asians are competing with other Asians so the bar is raised but isn’t that true for other races too, especially whites? Make it make sense.

Why should race be a factor in college admission, or any decision making? It's simply evil.

I will never understand the mental gymnastics white people will do to justify anti-Asian American discrimination in the college admissions process.

I'm liberal, progressive, and I believe that affirmative action policies are a net good on society. This also comes with the understanding that Asian Americans do indeed need to perform better, score higher, and will ultimately be at a net disadvantage compared to their non-Asian peers. This is corroborated by decades of third-party research and evidence. I'm not complaining, since it is what it is and I've accepted it as a fact. But to throw Asians under the bus and make assumptions about how they behave, think, and policing how they should respond to this is frankly a little disturbing.

If you're placing the blame on Asians and Asian families, trust me -- you're on the complete wrong side of history on this one.

Is the perception “more difficult” to get in because there are Asians more qualified taking up what is the Asian allotment of seats at competitive schools? Are there allotments for each race?

Or is it if the numbers of Asians admitted weren't curtailed, there would be classes made up primarily of Asians?

I feel like I’m missing something here. I read where Asians are competing with other Asians so the bar is raised but isn’t that true for other races too, especially whites? Make it make sense.

Anonymous wrote:Ok, for those of you who have never laid eyes on the Common Application, please don't give bad advice. There is not one single "box" to check. The common app allows you to check multiple boxes, and if you check Asian there will be a drop down menu for Chinese, Korean etc.

You should absolutely have them check the Vietnamese box. That is one of the under-represented Asian groups so it is actually helpful.

How about teaching your kid to be honest.

Especially on a high stakes form they have to sign.

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Anonymous wrote:Entities that accept federal funding should not choose to serve one person over another solely based on their skin color. Full stop.

If you don't agree with that, we have nothing left to say to each other.

-NP

No colleges base their acceptance on one criterion.

They choose URMs with the same or lower stats-- and every subjective measure-- in astounding numbers.

When you look at the enrollment numbers for Ivies and top 20 schools, including publics, the URM enrollment is between 8 and 20 percent. So what is happening? Are many URMs offered admission in "astounding numbers" but ultimately don't enroll? Is the pool so small that URM applicants to top tier universities get into 8 out of 10 schools within the top 20 schools. You would think HYP would be 40+% URM students based on DCUM.

It’s an excuse for people whose kids didn’t get in. It can’t be that their kid is great but just wasn’t what the school was looking for or didn’t have that special something the Ivies like. Nope, they must scapegoat the URMs.

Have you really not heard about the fact (fact.) that Asians need hundreds of points more than URMs on the SAT to get into the most selective schools?

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Anonymous wrote:It is not SAD that all the people that would like to say they went to Harvard can't. These places would not be elite if they took all comers.

There have never been enough seats at highly selective institutions, so they get to choose from among the vying customers. It is not sad. There are hundreds of great colleges in America. People really need to acquire some perspective.

Being shut out of HYP is not SUFFERING or OPPRESSION.

NP.. it's not just HYP. My kid isn't looking to apply to HYP, but as an Asian American, DC will have a harder time getting into many good univ. as a STEM major.

Seriously, my kid IS 100% Asian and did just fine applying as Biology major.

You should really reconsider this issue. It is not the burden you think it is.

sure, but my kid doesn't like bio. He likes CS. And that is a burden.

Before you said STEM. Now you claim it is specific to engineering. We have our answer. Rather than let go of this, you wear it like a badge. I feel sorry for your child.

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Anonymous wrote:Entities that accept federal funding should not choose to serve one person over another solely based on their skin color. Full stop.

If you don't agree with that, we have nothing left to say to each other.

-NP

No colleges base their acceptance on one criterion.

They choose URMs with the same or lower stats-- and every subjective measure-- in astounding numbers.

When you look at the enrollment numbers for Ivies and top 20 schools, including publics, the URM enrollment is between 8 and 20 percent. So what is happening? Are many URMs offered admission in "astounding numbers" but ultimately don't enroll? Is the pool so small that URM applicants to top tier universities get into 8 out of 10 schools within the top 20 schools. You would think HYP would be 40+% URM students based on DCUM.

It’s an excuse for people whose kids didn’t get in. It can’t be that their kid is great but just wasn’t what the school was looking for or didn’t have that special something the Ivies like. Nope, they must scapegoat the URMs.

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I'm curious, if anyone has the knowledge, if elite colleges in other parts of the world such as Canada or the EU also value representation of diversity (in ethnicity/ race/ SES/ first generation/ extra curricular activities) like colleges here, or are they mostly based on test scores and GPA when it comes to admissions?

I once attended a McGill orientation during an American Thanksgiving weekend, so the audience was mostly Americans. The said that admissions to the main faculties (Art, Science, etc.) do no consider legacy, race, extracurriculars, wealth, gender, letters of recommendation, or anything else besides high school grades and standardized test scores. If you are over the cutoff on those, you are accepted. Very straightforward.

This is not universal at all schools across Canada, but pretty typical.

UK is the same. My DC has dual citizenship with UK, and DC is seriously considering UK uni because they don't care about e.c. or diversity.

It’s also a 3 year bachelor degree instead of 4. If your kid is culturally happy with a UK college experience, they should do it, especially if they want to work in the UK. It may be harder to get a job I. The US (depending on the college) if they wanted to come back.

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Anonymous wrote:Entities that accept federal funding should not choose to serve one person over another solely based on their skin color. Full stop.

If you don't agree with that, we have nothing left to say to each other.

-NP

No colleges base their acceptance on one criterion.

They choose URMs with the same or lower stats-- and every subjective measure-- in astounding numbers.

When you look at the enrollment numbers for Ivies and top 20 schools, including publics, the URM enrollment is between 8 and 20 percent. So what is happening? Are many URMs offered admission in "astounding numbers" but ultimately don't enroll? Is the pool so small that URM applicants to top tier universities get into 8 out of 10 schools within the top 20 schools. You would think HYP would be 40+% URM students based on DCUM.

Ok, for those of you who have never laid eyes on the Common Application, please don't give bad advice. There is not one single "box" to check. The common app allows you to check multiple boxes, and if you check Asian there will be a drop down menu for Chinese, Korean etc.

You should absolutely have them check the Vietnamese box. That is one of the under-represented Asian groups so it is actually helpful.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Entities that accept federal funding should not choose to serve one person over another solely based on their skin color. Full stop.

If you don't agree with that, we have nothing left to say to each other.

-NP

No colleges base their acceptance on one criterion.

They choose URMs with the same or lower stats-- and every subjective measure-- in astounding numbers.

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I'm curious, if anyone has the knowledge, if elite colleges in other parts of the world such as Canada or the EU also value representation of diversity (in ethnicity/ race/ SES/ first generation/ extra curricular activities) like colleges here, or are they mostly based on test scores and GPA when it comes to admissions?

I once attended a McGill orientation during an American Thanksgiving weekend, so the audience was mostly Americans. The said that admissions to the main faculties (Art, Science, etc.) do no consider legacy, race, extracurriculars, wealth, gender, letters of recommendation, or anything else besides high school grades and standardized test scores. If you are over the cutoff on those, you are accepted. Very straightforward.

This is not universal at all schools across Canada, but pretty typical.

UK is the same. My DC has dual citizenship with UK, and DC is seriously considering UK uni because they don't care about e.c. or diversity.