Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 16:58     Subject: Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why do you keep insisting that high test scores are enough?


because they are the closest thing there is to a national objective statistic. Of course the people disappointed when their high scorer gets rejected are the same people who think it's about earning a spot based on merit (never has been and never will be)


You should open the college where high test scores are all a kid needs then. Why are they spending 4 years in high school if all they need are a high test score. You should fix that nonsense.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 16:54     Subject: Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why do you keep insisting that high test scores are enough?


because they are the closest thing there is to a national objective statistic.


Not everyone agrees with you about that. Certainly not the people who run the colleges, and I think they would know how best to choose who they want.

Bottom line is they can choose based on anything they want, as long as they don't break civil rights laws. Including the above referenced Mario Cart. You don't have to like that fact, but that doesn't change it.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 16:45     Subject: Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:Why do you keep insisting that high test scores are enough?


because they are the closest thing there is to a national objective statistic. Of course the people disappointed when their high scorer gets rejected are the same people who think it's about earning a spot based on merit (never has been and never will be)
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 16:45     Subject: Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't agree that there are a million other kids with 800 Math SAT and 800 Physics Subject test. College is about academics. Or it should be. And he should have gotten into one of these schools. There are not that many more qualified applicants. The college have chosen to make bullshit excuses for some other agenda to select less qualified kids. I don't even know what that agenda is. But come on people, college IS about the ability to score 800 on a Physics test!!!Yes, there are some discrepancies they have to sort out being different grades and should put a little weight on recommendations or ECs but only when comparing kids in the same bucket. I have no dog in this fight. My kids at 1250 and 1450 -- not Ivy. But people actually think this is fair -- I don't get it. Maybe he worked to get so smart or maybe he was born that way ---- doesn't even matter to me. This isn't a job interview. It is selection into an academic program - why should it be based on this. I am disgusted but wish him well.

How many times must it be pointed out that there are way more qualified applicants than available seats? It’s not hard to understand. As a PP pointed out, there are 50,000 students who were top of their class (valedictorians and salutatorians) but only 20,000 Ivy League spots.


BS that there are 50,000 kids with 800 on Math SAT and 800 on Physics.


Only around 1500 students who score 1590+ on the SAT.


And when that is the only criteria for admission, those will be the first ones in.

Personally, I prefer the admissions criteria be exclusively the thing my kid is good at. Screw everyone else or what the college itself wants. My kid has a 8000 on Mario Kart.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 16:44     Subject: Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't agree that there are a million other kids with 800 Math SAT and 800 Physics Subject test. College is about academics. Or it should be. And he should have gotten into one of these schools. There are not that many more qualified applicants. The college have chosen to make bullshit excuses for some other agenda to select less qualified kids. I don't even know what that agenda is. But come on people, college IS about the ability to score 800 on a Physics test!!!Yes, there are some discrepancies they have to sort out being different grades and should put a little weight on recommendations or ECs but only when comparing kids in the same bucket. I have no dog in this fight. My kids at 1250 and 1450 -- not Ivy. But people actually think this is fair -- I don't get it. Maybe he worked to get so smart or maybe he was born that way ---- doesn't even matter to me. This isn't a job interview. It is selection into an academic program - why should it be based on this. I am disgusted but wish him well.

How many times must it be pointed out that there are way more qualified applicants than available seats? It’s not hard to understand. As a PP pointed out, there are 50,000 students who were top of their class (valedictorians and salutatorians) but only 20,000 Ivy League spots.


BS that there are 50,000 kids with 800 on Math SAT and 800 on Physics.


Only around 1500 students who score 1590+ on the SAT.


How many get into princeton and how many do not?
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 16:38     Subject: Re:Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:This has been the case for several years now. My son with similar stats was also rejected from these schools!


Finally the covid19 nailed the last nail on the coffin of "Meritocracy".
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 16:36     Subject: Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Why do you keep insisting that high test scores are enough?
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 16:33     Subject: Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't agree that there are a million other kids with 800 Math SAT and 800 Physics Subject test. College is about academics. Or it should be. And he should have gotten into one of these schools. There are not that many more qualified applicants. The college have chosen to make bullshit excuses for some other agenda to select less qualified kids. I don't even know what that agenda is. But come on people, college IS about the ability to score 800 on a Physics test!!!Yes, there are some discrepancies they have to sort out being different grades and should put a little weight on recommendations or ECs but only when comparing kids in the same bucket. I have no dog in this fight. My kids at 1250 and 1450 -- not Ivy. But people actually think this is fair -- I don't get it. Maybe he worked to get so smart or maybe he was born that way ---- doesn't even matter to me. This isn't a job interview. It is selection into an academic program - why should it be based on this. I am disgusted but wish him well.

How many times must it be pointed out that there are way more qualified applicants than available seats? It’s not hard to understand. As a PP pointed out, there are 50,000 students who were top of their class (valedictorians and salutatorians) but only 20,000 Ivy League spots.


BS that there are 50,000 kids with 800 on Math SAT and 800 on Physics.


Only around 1500 students who score 1590+ on the SAT.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 16:26     Subject: Rest In Peace Meritocracy
What physics class did this student take and how did he do?
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 16:25     Subject: Re:Rest In Peace Meritocracy
So many twitchy UMC folks in the DMV watching their bubbles leaking.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 16:25     Subject: Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't agree that there are a million other kids with 800 Math SAT and 800 Physics Subject test. College is about academics. Or it should be. And he should have gotten into one of these schools. There are not that many more qualified applicants. The college have chosen to make bullshit excuses for some other agenda to select less qualified kids. I don't even know what that agenda is. But come on people, college IS about the ability to score 800 on a Physics test!!!Yes, there are some discrepancies they have to sort out being different grades and should put a little weight on recommendations or ECs but only when comparing kids in the same bucket. I have no dog in this fight. My kids at 1250 and 1450 -- not Ivy. But people actually think this is fair -- I don't get it. Maybe he worked to get so smart or maybe he was born that way ---- doesn't even matter to me. This isn't a job interview. It is selection into an academic program - why should it be based on this. I am disgusted but wish him well.

How many times must it be pointed out that there are way more qualified applicants than available seats? It’s not hard to understand. As a PP pointed out, there are 50,000 students who were top of their class (valedictorians and salutatorians) but only 20,000 Ivy League spots.


BS that there are 50,000 kids with 800 on Math SAT and 800 on Physics.


1) PP did not say there was. Please read the post properly.
2) How many slots for physics majors are there at the ivies?
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 16:24     Subject: Rest In Peace Meritocracy
No. About 8 to 9 thousand for physics.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 16:23     Subject: Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't agree that there are a million other kids with 800 Math SAT and 800 Physics Subject test. College is about academics. Or it should be. And he should have gotten into one of these schools. There are not that many more qualified applicants. The college have chosen to make bullshit excuses for some other agenda to select less qualified kids. I don't even know what that agenda is. But come on people, college IS about the ability to score 800 on a Physics test!!!Yes, there are some discrepancies they have to sort out being different grades and should put a little weight on recommendations or ECs but only when comparing kids in the same bucket. I have no dog in this fight. My kids at 1250 and 1450 -- not Ivy. But people actually think this is fair -- I don't get it. Maybe he worked to get so smart or maybe he was born that way ---- doesn't even matter to me. This isn't a job interview. It is selection into an academic program - why should it be based on this. I am disgusted but wish him well.

How many times must it be pointed out that there are way more qualified applicants than available seats? It’s not hard to understand. As a PP pointed out, there are 50,000 students who were top of their class (valedictorians and salutatorians) but only 20,000 Ivy League spots.


BS that there are 50,000 kids with 800 on Math SAT and 800 on Physics.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 16:09     Subject: Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:Reasonably expecting or hoping with some foundation that your hard work, grades, EC's etc. will provide a chance at a "good" college (however you define that) is not the same thing as thinking you are "owed a spot." I've seen that reference on here multiple times. Stop. It's not the same thing.

We tell these kids to work hard. They do. Then they get left in the cold. It's a bitter pill to swallow and, imo, it's bs.
FTR, I have not skin in the game as my kid is not in HS.


No, the "I'm owed a spot" thinking comes from this thread, where the OP posits that because this kid didn't get into 10 of the most selective colleges in the country, meritocracy is dead.

That is idiocy. Entitled idiocy, actually.
Anonymous
Post 04/08/2021 16:09     Subject: Re:Rest In Peace Meritocracy
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just between us gals, if he was another race, do you think the results would have been different?


What was the GPA and class rigor? How can you say without knowing if his transcript was competitive?


Why was this left out of the tik toc?