Anonymous
Post 05/06/2021 13:01     Subject: Projected Overcrowding in High School APSVA
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There plan is working. Overcrowding will work itself out, the old ways of people leaving for Fairfax etc are returning.

That said, the people who stay in APS will likely be higher need demographics, so a middle of the road student will be on their own.

https://www.arlnow.com/2021/05/05/lower-enrollment-could-help-bail-aps-out-of-11m-deficit/


5 years from now when enrollment is exploding due to the return of normal school and increased housing in the county (including all those high rises with 2-3 bedroom units that aren't supposed to have kids) we will look back at this and say how stupid it was that we didn't predict the students would come back.


Exactly. Groundhog Day. They continually denied the enrollment increases for years, landing us in the capacity crisis they continually avoid solving. Now they're happy and relieved enrollment is down and think they don't need to do anything. Instead of planning and preparing for future growth, they're trying to find a way to not cut class sizes and to give every teacher a raise. Then they'll scream budget woes again when they need more seats.


They were shocked! when so many people selected in person for next year. Now they are shocked! that supposedly 2,000 students that left APS this year won't be returning. Next they will be shocked! in August when enrollment numbers jump right back up again (assuming they actually provide 5 days of real school next year). They are so, so incompetent. And now they will plan to rely on virtual school to solve capacity issues, except - shocking! - people don't really want it.
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2021 12:22     Subject: Projected Overcrowding in High School APSVA
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There plan is working. Overcrowding will work itself out, the old ways of people leaving for Fairfax etc are returning.

That said, the people who stay in APS will likely be higher need demographics, so a middle of the road student will be on their own.

https://www.arlnow.com/2021/05/05/lower-enrollment-could-help-bail-aps-out-of-11m-deficit/


5 years from now when enrollment is exploding due to the return of normal school and increased housing in the county (including all those high rises with 2-3 bedroom units that aren't supposed to have kids) we will look back at this and say how stupid it was that we didn't predict the students would come back.


Exactly. Groundhog Day. They continually denied the enrollment increases for years, landing us in the capacity crisis they continually avoid solving. Now they're happy and relieved enrollment is down and think they don't need to do anything. Instead of planning and preparing for future growth, they're trying to find a way to not cut class sizes and to give every teacher a raise. Then they'll scream budget woes again when they need more seats.
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2021 12:14     Subject: Projected Overcrowding in High School APSVA
Anonymous wrote:There plan is working. Overcrowding will work itself out, the old ways of people leaving for Fairfax etc are returning.

That said, the people who stay in APS will likely be higher need demographics, so a middle of the road student will be on their own.

https://www.arlnow.com/2021/05/05/lower-enrollment-could-help-bail-aps-out-of-11m-deficit/


5 years from now when enrollment is exploding due to the return of normal school and increased housing in the county (including all those high rises with 2-3 bedroom units that aren't supposed to have kids) we will look back at this and say how stupid it was that we didn't predict the students would come back.
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2021 11:54     Subject: Projected Overcrowding in High School APSVA
Anonymous wrote:There plan is working. Overcrowding will work itself out, the old ways of people leaving for Fairfax etc are returning.

That said, the people who stay in APS will likely be higher need demographics, so a middle of the road student will be on their own.

https://www.arlnow.com/2021/05/05/lower-enrollment-could-help-bail-aps-out-of-11m-deficit/


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Anonymous
Post 05/06/2021 11:54     Subject: Projected Overcrowding in High School APSVA
There plan is working. Overcrowding will work itself out, the old ways of people leaving for Fairfax etc are returning.

That said, the people who stay in APS will likely be higher need demographics, so a middle of the road student will be on their own.

https://www.arlnow.com/2021/05/05/lower-enrollment-could-help-bail-aps-out-of-11m-deficit/
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2021 11:40     Subject: Projected Overcrowding in High School APSVA
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Montessori moves into CC building. Patrick Henry torn down


So, are they renovating the CC or Montessori gets it as-is? Didn’t they just spend a couple million to freshen up the other building that will now be torn down? And like 10 million to take over the second level of the CC? Will it work like this: build new building for Arlington Tech and CC, then they move to the new building and Montessori takes over the CC and Henry is torn down? And are they still planning for 1,000 plus HS seats here?


I thought there were technical classrooms in the CC that would be extremely expensive to rebuild and that's what they were developing the building out from where it was. Will those classes remain in the CC building and Montessori gets the rest?

I think spending money on high school seats at Arlington Tech makes sense. I really don't think we should be spending more money on the Montessori option program. Option program builds have taken up way too much of APS's construction budget in recent years. We need to build neighborhood seats. The HB Woodlawn construction was a disaster.

Has the CIP proposal been released today? I'm wondering where they are going to put new middle school seats - an annex at Kenmore perhaps? (only necessary because they chose to save a small amount of money by not building Hamm out to 1300 seats, which would have been so much easier and cheaper).


I think the subtext is that Montessori MS seats will move to the CC site. I suspect Immersion MS seats will be moved, too, probably to the ATS site, in the future. Not a ton of MS seats, but frees up a little space at Gunston for neighborhood seats.


How many students are in the MS immersion program? I think the Montessori MS program is pretty small (but perhaps they expect it to grow). I sort of expect that Carlin Springs will become the second immersion ES site and an addition will be built at Kenmore to accommodate the immersion MS program and hopefully other new seats.

The point is, Montessori has a building. APS can't afford to build out new spaces for programs that already have buildings. It was one thing when the CC site was going to be a 4th high school and the whole site needed to be redeveloped, but that's off the table now right? Are we just talking about the 800 Arl Tech seats?
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2021 10:47     Subject: Projected Overcrowding in High School APSVA
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Montessori moves into CC building. Patrick Henry torn down


So, are they renovating the CC or Montessori gets it as-is? Didn’t they just spend a couple million to freshen up the other building that will now be torn down? And like 10 million to take over the second level of the CC? Will it work like this: build new building for Arlington Tech and CC, then they move to the new building and Montessori takes over the CC and Henry is torn down? And are they still planning for 1,000 plus HS seats here?


I thought there were technical classrooms in the CC that would be extremely expensive to rebuild and that's what they were developing the building out from where it was. Will those classes remain in the CC building and Montessori gets the rest?

I think spending money on high school seats at Arlington Tech makes sense. I really don't think we should be spending more money on the Montessori option program. Option program builds have taken up way too much of APS's construction budget in recent years. We need to build neighborhood seats. The HB Woodlawn construction was a disaster.

Has the CIP proposal been released today? I'm wondering where they are going to put new middle school seats - an annex at Kenmore perhaps? (only necessary because they chose to save a small amount of money by not building Hamm out to 1300 seats, which would have been so much easier and cheaper).


I think the subtext is that Montessori MS seats will move to the CC site. I suspect Immersion MS seats will be moved, too, probably to the ATS site, in the future. Not a ton of MS seats, but frees up a little space at Gunston for neighborhood seats.
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2021 09:25     Subject: Projected Overcrowding in High School APSVA
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Montessori moves into CC building. Patrick Henry torn down


So, are they renovating the CC or Montessori gets it as-is? Didn’t they just spend a couple million to freshen up the other building that will now be torn down? And like 10 million to take over the second level of the CC? Will it work like this: build new building for Arlington Tech and CC, then they move to the new building and Montessori takes over the CC and Henry is torn down? And are they still planning for 1,000 plus HS seats here?


I thought there were technical classrooms in the CC that would be extremely expensive to rebuild and that's what they were developing the building out from where it was. Will those classes remain in the CC building and Montessori gets the rest?

I think spending money on high school seats at Arlington Tech makes sense. I really don't think we should be spending more money on the Montessori option program. Option program builds have taken up way too much of APS's construction budget in recent years. We need to build neighborhood seats. The HB Woodlawn construction was a disaster.

Has the CIP proposal been released today? I'm wondering where they are going to put new middle school seats - an annex at Kenmore perhaps? (only necessary because they chose to save a small amount of money by not building Hamm out to 1300 seats, which would have been so much easier and cheaper).
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2021 08:56     Subject: Projected Overcrowding in High School APSVA
Anonymous wrote:Montessori moves into CC building. Patrick Henry torn down


So, are they renovating the CC or Montessori gets it as-is? Didn’t they just spend a couple million to freshen up the other building that will now be torn down? And like 10 million to take over the second level of the CC? Will it work like this: build new building for Arlington Tech and CC, then they move to the new building and Montessori takes over the CC and Henry is torn down? And are they still planning for 1,000 plus HS seats here?
Anonymous
Post 05/06/2021 08:32     Subject: Re:Projected Overcrowding in High School APSVA
Anonymous wrote:Does this add any high school capacity beyond what was already planned for Arlington Tech? We desperately need new high school seats.


I doubt there will be anymore new HS seats; virtual or partial virtual for HS is here to stay. The SB has wanted it as a solution for more than a decade and they no longer need an excuse.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2021 23:14     Subject: Re:Projected Overcrowding in High School APSVA
Does this add any high school capacity beyond what was already planned for Arlington Tech? We desperately need new high school seats.
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2021 22:11     Subject: Projected Overcrowding in High School APSVA
Montessori moves into CC building. Patrick Henry torn down
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2021 20:53     Subject: Re:Projected Overcrowding in High School APSVA
What happens to Montessori? Does it stay where it is? What happens to the old Career Center building?
Anonymous
Post 05/05/2021 19:50     Subject: Re:Projected Overcrowding in High School APSVA
Build a new school on the Career Center site where the parking lot currently is, allowing the existing buildings to be used/stay where they are until the new building is built.