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Seems like a lot of yield protection boys, lemme list me and my friends stats (we're all in-state, and we all got waitlisted)

Me - 1540 SAT, 3.94/4.49 gpa. Decent ECs, few board positions and founded a club

Friend 1: 1570 SAT, 3.93/4.48 gpa. Better ECs than mine, a few awards and a paid internship.

Friend 2: 1530 SAT, 4.0/4.5 gpa, way better ECs than mine, ISEF alternate, national level debater, president of a couple clubs and internships.

Friend 3: 1530 SAT, 3.93/4.48 gpa, on par with me for ECs, a couple board positions and Tennis varsity captain.

What a joke.

VT knows these kids won't attend as their first choice.

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Anonymous wrote:For Virginia Tech in 2021, the goal is to have good stats, but not great stats, which will get you waitlisted.

Yep. If you have great stats, apply ED. I can maybe understand waitlisting the OOS students but for in-state students the cost advantage is so great that there's a good chance it's a top choice even if they didn't apply ED. It's totally reasonable to apply widely, see what merit aid you get, and then ultimately go to VT because it's really the best value (unless you want to go to Alabama).

Those acceptance rates are still quite high for non-URM students. What's frustrating for applicants is that they are so unpredictable and waitlist so many high-stats applicants in EA. Based on stats it should have been a safety for my son but knowing how weird last year was I told him to not count on it since he didn't want to do ED. (he did get in)

VTs median SAT for White students who enrolled in the COE is 689 math, 660 reading, 75%ile is 730-700. Based on that, the students quoted above should be in, no problem, but they aren't. Only reason seems to be that VT assumes with score so above the mean that they won't go to VT unless they were willing to indicate that by applying ED but they get a 2nd chance to indicate interest via waitlist and might get in that way.

For Virginia Tech in 2021, the goal is to have good stats, but not great stats, which will get you waitlisted.

Anonymous wrote:These stats seem too high for Tech.

Not these days. Those stats are standard, especially for engineering.

These stats seem too high for Tech.

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Seems like a lot of yield protection boys, lemme list me and my friends stats (we're all in-state, and we all got waitlisted)

Me - 1540 SAT, 3.94/4.49 gpa. Decent ECs, few board positions and founded a club

Friend 1: 1570 SAT, 3.93/4.48 gpa. Better ECs than mine, a few awards and a paid internship.

Friend 2: 1530 SAT, 4.0/4.5 gpa, way better ECs than mine, ISEF alternate, national level debater, president of a couple clubs and internships.

Friend 3: 1530 SAT, 3.93/4.48 gpa, on par with me for ECs, a couple board positions and Tennis varsity captain.

What a joke.

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Anonymous wrote:Guessing here, without direct knowledge, that a high stats ED kid stands a far better chance of admission than EA. They are really trying to shift to becoming a school of opportunities for those who haven’t had opportunities. If you are high stats and committed, that’s one thing. If you’re using it as one of 5 safety schools, they’d rather skip over you and offer the opportunity to someone who needs it. There are some casualties here: high stats kids for whom VT is first choice but they didn’t apply ED. Chances are good those kids will be accepted through the waitlist; sadly many move in.

Keep in mind also, they will be reabsorbing those who deferred this year. Likely many more than usual.

+1 They've made it clear that increasing enrollment of first-gen and underrepresented groups is a huge priority. If you aren't that and VT is your first choice you really should apply ED. My son didn't want to commit to ED because he wanted to give UVA a shot (rejected there). I was really nervous about that decision but it worked out OK as he did get in to VT.

Don't know if that is really true but if it is - those who came with pitchforks at magnet high schools need to understand that the equity movement cannot be just contained to one high school. It will spread to VT and UVA and all of higher education slowly but surely.

It's true. It's on their website to have 40% of their incoming freshman class in 2022 be first gen or URM.

At least 40%.

How do you explain to a teen, with above those stats, that she isn't "good enough" for the school she wanted because her skin is the wrong color?? Now the teen thinks that no matter what she does, she won't be "good enough" for anyone. This topic isn't discussed in our house, and maybe that is the problem, but I certainly wasn't going to be the one to bring this harsh reality up. She is a passionate young lady, who loves to study, and has always initiated her interests on her own - we never pushed for anything, and maybe we should have, but we didn't (know any better), because we (the parents) are first generation. But second generation? Eff them, they get nothing. How on earth do I explain this to her?? She thinks her hard work and passion means nothing and has no place, and that none of it matters. Her stats are well outside and exceed the scattergram. She never thought hey would say no to her, because she showed interest and has everything they should want - any school really, but she wants this one, and we are having her make her own decisions. This school was her decision. She is really lost right now.

I’m so sorry for your DD. I don’t know how you explain it. And I was a poor first generation white lid but am proud to say I did it all with hard work and grit. No e rewarded people for having uneducated parents when I went to college. I don’t understand why 40 per cent of VT should be for first generation students except that the President is using it as an end run to bring in more students that wouldn’t be able to get there otherwise. And that does not seem fair. Just to clarify, Vt is only 69.5% white as it now stands. It is TJ all over again

Don't think you know sh*t about TJ. TJ admission has been purely based on merit, which is what non-Asian people are complaining about. VT is not.

Aren’t you lovely. Yes, it’s the same -the movement is called “equity” and it will dumb down our great institutions of higher education

You mean the current TJ reform movement? Then yes, I agree with you.

YES that. UVA is doing it too. 952 offers for a class of 3,750 went to first-generations. Why does that classification get promoted over other special classes like URM. Because it sounds good. Because it’s virtual signaling. Because it’s another box on the USNWR. Because this way the Preidrnts can end run the merit system (GPA and test scores) and take whomever they want. And I can say this because I am a poor first generation white person who got no breaks when I applied to schools. I am proud to be self-made.

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Anonymous wrote:Guessing here, without direct knowledge, that a high stats ED kid stands a far better chance of admission than EA. They are really trying to shift to becoming a school of opportunities for those who haven’t had opportunities. If you are high stats and committed, that’s one thing. If you’re using it as one of 5 safety schools, they’d rather skip over you and offer the opportunity to someone who needs it. There are some casualties here: high stats kids for whom VT is first choice but they didn’t apply ED. Chances are good those kids will be accepted through the waitlist; sadly many move in.

Keep in mind also, they will be reabsorbing those who deferred this year. Likely many more than usual.

+1 They've made it clear that increasing enrollment of first-gen and underrepresented groups is a huge priority. If you aren't that and VT is your first choice you really should apply ED. My son didn't want to commit to ED because he wanted to give UVA a shot (rejected there). I was really nervous about that decision but it worked out OK as he did get in to VT.

Don't know if that is really true but if it is - those who came with pitchforks at magnet high schools need to understand that the equity movement cannot be just contained to one high school. It will spread to VT and UVA and all of higher education slowly but surely.

It's true. It's on their website to have 40% of their incoming freshman class in 2022 be first gen or URM.

At least 40%.

How do you explain to a teen, with above those stats, that she isn't "good enough" for the school she wanted because her skin is the wrong color?? Now the teen thinks that no matter what she does, she won't be "good enough" for anyone. This topic isn't discussed in our house, and maybe that is the problem, but I certainly wasn't going to be the one to bring this harsh reality up. She is a passionate young lady, who loves to study, and has always initiated her interests on her own - we never pushed for anything, and maybe we should have, but we didn't (know any better), because we (the parents) are first generation. But second generation? Eff them, they get nothing. How on earth do I explain this to her?? She thinks her hard work and passion means nothing and has no place, and that none of it matters. Her stats are well outside and exceed the scattergram. She never thought hey would say no to her, because she showed interest and has everything they should want - any school really, but she wants this one, and we are having her make her own decisions. This school was her decision. She is really lost right now.

I’m so sorry for your DD. I don’t know how you explain it. And I was a poor first generation white lid but am proud to say I did it all with hard work and grit. No e rewarded people for having uneducated parents when I went to college. I don’t understand why 40 per cent of VT should be for first generation students except that the President is using it as an end run to bring in more students that wouldn’t be able to get there otherwise. And that does not seem fair. Just to clarify, Vt is only 69.5% white as it now stands. It is TJ all over again

Don't think you know sh*t about TJ. TJ admission has been purely based on merit, which is what non-Asian people are complaining about. VT is not.

TJ admissions is not based on merit. Most of the decision is based on subjective evaluations of recommendations, essays, SIS, etc.

Yes it is. It's still merit. Color of skin is not merit.

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Anonymous wrote:Guessing here, without direct knowledge, that a high stats ED kid stands a far better chance of admission than EA. They are really trying to shift to becoming a school of opportunities for those who haven’t had opportunities. If you are high stats and committed, that’s one thing. If you’re using it as one of 5 safety schools, they’d rather skip over you and offer the opportunity to someone who needs it. There are some casualties here: high stats kids for whom VT is first choice but they didn’t apply ED. Chances are good those kids will be accepted through the waitlist; sadly many move in.

Keep in mind also, they will be reabsorbing those who deferred this year. Likely many more than usual.

+1 They've made it clear that increasing enrollment of first-gen and underrepresented groups is a huge priority. If you aren't that and VT is your first choice you really should apply ED. My son didn't want to commit to ED because he wanted to give UVA a shot (rejected there). I was really nervous about that decision but it worked out OK as he did get in to VT.

Don't know if that is really true but if it is - those who came with pitchforks at magnet high schools need to understand that the equity movement cannot be just contained to one high school. It will spread to VT and UVA and all of higher education slowly but surely.

It's true. It's on their website to have 40% of their incoming freshman class in 2022 be first gen or URM.

At least 40%.

How do you explain to a teen, with above those stats, that she isn't "good enough" for the school she wanted because her skin is the wrong color?? Now the teen thinks that no matter what she does, she won't be "good enough" for anyone. This topic isn't discussed in our house, and maybe that is the problem, but I certainly wasn't going to be the one to bring this harsh reality up. She is a passionate young lady, who loves to study, and has always initiated her interests on her own - we never pushed for anything, and maybe we should have, but we didn't (know any better), because we (the parents) are first generation. But second generation? Eff them, they get nothing. How on earth do I explain this to her?? She thinks her hard work and passion means nothing and has no place, and that none of it matters. Her stats are well outside and exceed the scattergram. She never thought hey would say no to her, because she showed interest and has everything they should want - any school really, but she wants this one, and we are having her make her own decisions. This school was her decision. She is really lost right now.

I’m so sorry for your DD. I don’t know how you explain it. And I was a poor first generation white lid but am proud to say I did it all with hard work and grit. No e rewarded people for having uneducated parents when I went to college. I don’t understand why 40 per cent of VT should be for first generation students except that the President is using it as an end run to bring in more students that wouldn’t be able to get there otherwise. And that does not seem fair. Just to clarify, Vt is only 69.5% white as it now stands. It is TJ all over again

Don't think you know sh*t about TJ. TJ admission has been purely based on merit, which is what non-Asian people are complaining about. VT is not.

TJ admissions is not based on merit. Most of the decision is based on subjective evaluations of recommendations, essays, SIS, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Guessing here, without direct knowledge, that a high stats ED kid stands a far better chance of admission than EA. They are really trying to shift to becoming a school of opportunities for those who haven’t had opportunities. If you are high stats and committed, that’s one thing. If you’re using it as one of 5 safety schools, they’d rather skip over you and offer the opportunity to someone who needs it. There are some casualties here: high stats kids for whom VT is first choice but they didn’t apply ED. Chances are good those kids will be accepted through the waitlist; sadly many move in.

Keep in mind also, they will be reabsorbing those who deferred this year. Likely many more than usual.

+1 They've made it clear that increasing enrollment of first-gen and underrepresented groups is a huge priority. If you aren't that and VT is your first choice you really should apply ED. My son didn't want to commit to ED because he wanted to give UVA a shot (rejected there). I was really nervous about that decision but it worked out OK as he did get in to VT.

Don't know if that is really true but if it is - those who came with pitchforks at magnet high schools need to understand that the equity movement cannot be just contained to one high school. It will spread to VT and UVA and all of higher education slowly but surely.

It's true. It's on their website to have 40% of their incoming freshman class in 2022 be first gen or URM.

At least 40%.

How do you explain to a teen, with above those stats, that she isn't "good enough" for the school she wanted because her skin is the wrong color?? Now the teen thinks that no matter what she does, she won't be "good enough" for anyone. This topic isn't discussed in our house, and maybe that is the problem, but I certainly wasn't going to be the one to bring this harsh reality up. She is a passionate young lady, who loves to study, and has always initiated her interests on her own - we never pushed for anything, and maybe we should have, but we didn't (know any better), because we (the parents) are first generation. But second generation? Eff them, they get nothing. How on earth do I explain this to her?? She thinks her hard work and passion means nothing and has no place, and that none of it matters. Her stats are well outside and exceed the scattergram. She never thought hey would say no to her, because she showed interest and has everything they should want - any school really, but she wants this one, and we are having her make her own decisions. This school was her decision. She is really lost right now.

I’m so sorry for your DD. I don’t know how you explain it. And I was a poor first generation white lid but am proud to say I did it all with hard work and grit. No e rewarded people for having uneducated parents when I went to college. I don’t understand why 40 per cent of VT should be for first generation students except that the President is using it as an end run to bring in more students that wouldn’t be able to get there otherwise. And that does not seem fair. Just to clarify, Vt is only 69.5% white as it now stands. It is TJ all over again

Don't think you know sh*t about TJ. TJ admission has been purely based on merit, which is what non-Asian people are complaining about. VT is not.

Aren’t you lovely. Yes, it’s the same -the movement is called “equity” and it will dumb down our great institutions of higher education

You mean the current TJ reform movement? Then yes, I agree with you.

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Anonymous wrote:Guessing here, without direct knowledge, that a high stats ED kid stands a far better chance of admission than EA. They are really trying to shift to becoming a school of opportunities for those who haven’t had opportunities. If you are high stats and committed, that’s one thing. If you’re using it as one of 5 safety schools, they’d rather skip over you and offer the opportunity to someone who needs it. There are some casualties here: high stats kids for whom VT is first choice but they didn’t apply ED. Chances are good those kids will be accepted through the waitlist; sadly many move in.

Keep in mind also, they will be reabsorbing those who deferred this year. Likely many more than usual.

+1 They've made it clear that increasing enrollment of first-gen and underrepresented groups is a huge priority. If you aren't that and VT is your first choice you really should apply ED. My son didn't want to commit to ED because he wanted to give UVA a shot (rejected there). I was really nervous about that decision but it worked out OK as he did get in to VT.

Don't know if that is really true but if it is - those who came with pitchforks at magnet high schools need to understand that the equity movement cannot be just contained to one high school. It will spread to VT and UVA and all of higher education slowly but surely.

It's true. It's on their website to have 40% of their incoming freshman class in 2022 be first gen or URM.

At least 40%.

How do you explain to a teen, with above those stats, that she isn't "good enough" for the school she wanted because her skin is the wrong color?? Now the teen thinks that no matter what she does, she won't be "good enough" for anyone. This topic isn't discussed in our house, and maybe that is the problem, but I certainly wasn't going to be the one to bring this harsh reality up. She is a passionate young lady, who loves to study, and has always initiated her interests on her own - we never pushed for anything, and maybe we should have, but we didn't (know any better), because we (the parents) are first generation. But second generation? Eff them, they get nothing. How on earth do I explain this to her?? She thinks her hard work and passion means nothing and has no place, and that none of it matters. Her stats are well outside and exceed the scattergram. She never thought hey would say no to her, because she showed interest and has everything they should want - any school really, but she wants this one, and we are having her make her own decisions. This school was her decision. She is really lost right now.

I’m so sorry for your DD. I don’t know how you explain it. And I was a poor first generation white lid but am proud to say I did it all with hard work and grit. No e rewarded people for having uneducated parents when I went to college. I don’t understand why 40 per cent of VT should be for first generation students except that the President is using it as an end run to bring in more students that wouldn’t be able to get there otherwise. And that does not seem fair. Just to clarify, Vt is only 69.5% white as it now stands. It is TJ all over again

Don't think you know sh*t about TJ. TJ admission has been purely based on merit, which is what non-Asian people are complaining about. VT is not.

Aren’t you lovely. Yes, it’s the same -the movement is called “equity” and it will dumb down our great institutions of higher education

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Anonymous wrote:Guessing here, without direct knowledge, that a high stats ED kid stands a far better chance of admission than EA. They are really trying to shift to becoming a school of opportunities for those who haven’t had opportunities. If you are high stats and committed, that’s one thing. If you’re using it as one of 5 safety schools, they’d rather skip over you and offer the opportunity to someone who needs it. There are some casualties here: high stats kids for whom VT is first choice but they didn’t apply ED. Chances are good those kids will be accepted through the waitlist; sadly many move in.

Keep in mind also, they will be reabsorbing those who deferred this year. Likely many more than usual.

+1 They've made it clear that increasing enrollment of first-gen and underrepresented groups is a huge priority. If you aren't that and VT is your first choice you really should apply ED. My son didn't want to commit to ED because he wanted to give UVA a shot (rejected there). I was really nervous about that decision but it worked out OK as he did get in to VT.

Don't know if that is really true but if it is - those who came with pitchforks at magnet high schools need to understand that the equity movement cannot be just contained to one high school. It will spread to VT and UVA and all of higher education slowly but surely.

It's true. It's on their website to have 40% of their incoming freshman class in 2022 be first gen or URM.

At least 40%.

How do you explain to a teen, with above those stats, that she isn't "good enough" for the school she wanted because her skin is the wrong color?? Now the teen thinks that no matter what she does, she won't be "good enough" for anyone. This topic isn't discussed in our house, and maybe that is the problem, but I certainly wasn't going to be the one to bring this harsh reality up. She is a passionate young lady, who loves to study, and has always initiated her interests on her own - we never pushed for anything, and maybe we should have, but we didn't (know any better), because we (the parents) are first generation. But second generation? Eff them, they get nothing. How on earth do I explain this to her?? She thinks her hard work and passion means nothing and has no place, and that none of it matters. Her stats are well outside and exceed the scattergram. She never thought hey would say no to her, because she showed interest and has everything they should want - any school really, but she wants this one, and we are having her make her own decisions. This school was her decision. She is really lost right now.

I’m so sorry for your DD. I don’t know how you explain it. And I was a poor first generation white lid but am proud to say I did it all with hard work and grit. No e rewarded people for having uneducated parents when I went to college. I don’t understand why 40 per cent of VT should be for first generation students except that the President is using it as an end run to bring in more students that wouldn’t be able to get there otherwise. And that does not seem fair. Just to clarify, Vt is only 69.5% white as it now stands. It is TJ all over again

Don't think you know sh*t about TJ. TJ admission has been purely based on merit, which is what non-Asian people are complaining about. VT is not.

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Anonymous wrote:Guessing here, without direct knowledge, that a high stats ED kid stands a far better chance of admission than EA. They are really trying to shift to becoming a school of opportunities for those who haven’t had opportunities. If you are high stats and committed, that’s one thing. If you’re using it as one of 5 safety schools, they’d rather skip over you and offer the opportunity to someone who needs it. There are some casualties here: high stats kids for whom VT is first choice but they didn’t apply ED. Chances are good those kids will be accepted through the waitlist; sadly many move in.

Keep in mind also, they will be reabsorbing those who deferred this year. Likely many more than usual.

+1 They've made it clear that increasing enrollment of first-gen and underrepresented groups is a huge priority. If you aren't that and VT is your first choice you really should apply ED. My son didn't want to commit to ED because he wanted to give UVA a shot (rejected there). I was really nervous about that decision but it worked out OK as he did get in to VT.

Don't know if that is really true but if it is - those who came with pitchforks at magnet high schools need to understand that the equity movement cannot be just contained to one high school. It will spread to VT and UVA and all of higher education slowly but surely.

It's true. It's on their website to have 40% of their incoming freshman class in 2022 be first gen or URM.

At least 40%.

How do you explain to a teen, with above those stats, that she isn't "good enough" for the school she wanted because her skin is the wrong color?? Now the teen thinks that no matter what she does, she won't be "good enough" for anyone. This topic isn't discussed in our house, and maybe that is the problem, but I certainly wasn't going to be the one to bring this harsh reality up. She is a passionate young lady, who loves to study, and has always initiated her interests on her own - we never pushed for anything, and maybe we should have, but we didn't (know any better), because we (the parents) are first generation. But second generation? Eff them, they get nothing. How on earth do I explain this to her?? She thinks her hard work and passion means nothing and has no place, and that none of it matters. Her stats are well outside and exceed the scattergram. She never thought hey would say no to her, because she showed interest and has everything they should want - any school really, but she wants this one, and we are having her make her own decisions. This school was her decision. She is really lost right now.

I’m so sorry for your DD. I don’t know how you explain it. And I was a poor first generation white lid but am proud to say I did it all with hard work and grit. No e rewarded people for having uneducated parents when I went to college. I don’t understand why 40 per cent of VT should be for first generation students except that the President is using it as an end run to bring in more students that wouldn’t be able to get there otherwise. And that does not seem fair. Just to clarify, Vt is only 69.5% white as it now stands. It is TJ all over again

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Anonymous wrote:For those who were not accepted - this year is turning out to be a VERY tough year - I am not believing some of the stats I am seeing here - somewhat like the disbelief with the stats and rejections or deferrals for UVA this year

Here's what I'm learning from this board and college confidential. A 4.3 or above sounds really impressive. Then you learn that these schools have a 6.0 scale. So doesn't that make a 4.3 like a C+ average. With so much inflation in grades from the NoVa publics, college admissions has become a total nightmare.

I don't think it is as much HS grade inflation as the state colleges wanting mostly minorities. Sadly, the only lesson that is being learned by these kids, who have worked their tails off, by their own accord - without being prompted or Tiger parented, is that they don't matter. It is a hell of a message to send a kid, really.

That, and this is exactly what the TJ reform was about, so I foresee some backlash in the near future - if we are being honest here. Public education, across the board, is at risk of reform now.

I think the current movement by colleges is not so indirectly backlash of the Felicity Huffman debacle - way to stereotype white people, public schools and colleges - not all whites are a product of trust funds.

No. None of these schools are mostly minorities. Read somewhere recently that VA Tech is only about 7% African American. Yes, there are other minorities, but please don’t fall back on that false claim.

Do you work for a college? Do you realize that most colleges' strata do NOT represent the general population? How much is enough for you?